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Old Posted Jan 18, 2007, 9:18 AM
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Oh man, that view of the Ritz-Carlton is extremely disappointing, looks to be the cheapo precast concrete curtain wall. BLEH. Looks like a cheap '80's tower.
The great part of this project is the apparent restoration of the original fascade of the old part of the building and I suspect they made the new addition purposefully kind of bland so as to draw attention to the old.
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What on earth is that? I pass by it all the time and have always wondered.

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Is the Millenium tower strictly residential condos? I was always under the assumption that it was an office tower until reading the Millenium Partners' website.

One thing I really like about all these new hi- rises is the openess they [will] create at street level. While driving by the Millenium today I saw that the corner of Howard and 1st has support beams in open air at the street, allowing people to walk freely through them "under" the building, creating more space for pedestrians etc. This also looks to be the case with Infinity as well. What I really liked about downtown New York was the wide sidewalks, it seems a lot of them in SOMA are very narrow which could be a problem in the future when the area explodes in density.
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Ah..., sidewalks? Take a look here...

Transbay Streetscape & Open Space handout (PDF), 11MB- from April 20, 2006 meeting:

http://sfgov.org/site/uploadedfiles/...%20handout.pdf
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Is this a change? The beginning of this thread shows a 14-story building approved for this(?) corner.

From "Newspaper Notice for San Francisco Planning Department for January 19, 2007."

"2006.0584KXCV: 1407-1435 Market Street and 17-70 10th Street, southwest corner, Lot 041 (a portion of the former Lot 039) in Assessor’s Block 3507: The proposed project is (1) the demolition of the existing office buildings and surface parking lot and (2) the construction of two buildings sharing a common base and containing approximately 719 dwelling units, approximately 19,000 square feet of commercial space, and a garage with up to 668 parking spaces. The taller north tower will be 35 stories and approximately 352 feet high, and the shorter south tower will be 19 stories and approximately 220 feet high. The project requires review under Section 309 of the Planning Code for compliance and exceptions, conditional use authorization, and variances from certain requirements of the Planning Code. The project site is within the C-3-G (Downtown General Commercial) District and 200-S and 320-S Height and Bulk Districts.

For further information, call Michael Li at (415) 558-6396 and ask about Case No. 2006.0584KXCV."

http://sfgov.org/site/planning_index.asp?id=25756
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10th and Market

Very interesting post about 10th and Market being 19 and 35 story towers now. I thought the original proposal was three towers between 14 and 24 stories. I thought the taller tower was in the back though and the shorter tower on the north. I didn't think the planning department wanted the taller towers on the market side. Like at the Trinity Plaza project. Anyone know? Or maybe they changed the rules at planning when they rezoned the area around Van Ness and Market for all the possible 400' towers. Anyone know if its still going to be senior housing. Wondering if that changed too.

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is that cool funky looking building blocks style complex with the hole in the middle still going in the Trinity area? I really like the design of that one!
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is that cool funky looking building blocks style complex with the hole in the middle still going in the Trinity area? I really like the design of that one!
Not unless folks call Supes Jake McGoldrick and Sophie Maxwell and tell them to butt out.
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u should take more pictures of 690 Market St Jobsite.
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As the rich get richer, the livin' gets easier

By Carol Lloyd, Special to SF Gate

Friday, January 26, 2007

After a long run of rampant price increases, the once lofty world of condo sales has recently come down to earth. The years of double-digit gains are over and appreciation of San Francisco condos isn't even keeping up with inflation.

But to twist an old cliche: Fear of penury is the mother of invention.

Lately, developers have been innovating on the condo concept like it's a Starbucks beverage. Grande? Foam or no foam? Soy, 2 percent, caramel, peppermint, raspberry? Most of the new products -- like the fractional condominiums of the Ritz Carlton and the ultra-luxury condos planned for Rincon Hill -- capitalize on the abundant resources of the richest of the rich.

By introducing San Francisco to its first fractional condominiums, the Ritz Carlton Club and Residences (on sale now and slated to be finished in November) have discovered what one might consider an unlikely niche. Sometimes referred to as high-end time shares, fractional condos allow people to buy a percentage of the property -- say, 1/12 -- which gives them access to the property one month out of the year.

"It's really an alternative to a second home," says Robert Van Dijk, the project manager, who adds that many of their new buyers are local residents who are buying a downtown getaway in a city in which they already live or live very close to. Used as lodging for out-of-town family or guests as well an urban escape, a fractional condo offers people a relatively affordable (yet still luxurious) substitute for the $1 million-plus pied-à-terre. Instead, buyers spend more than $250,000 for 1/12 of a two-bedroom condo. Van Dijk says they are especially attractive to those who have already bought second homes only to have them sit empty most of the year. "It's about leisure living," he explains. "It's for people who want all the services and luxuries that come with the Ritz Carlton, but they don't want the burden of a second home."

But out of a sea of innovative offerings, there is one luxury condo development that isn't chasing the ultra-affluent clientele. Billing itself as the city's first "lifestyle condo," the Soma Grand (also on sale now and open in the fall) is a stylish, green-glass, 22-story tower of 246 condominiums next to the wild modernist Federal Building at Mission and Seventh streets.

"Everyone's heard of the Four Seasons and the St. Regis," explains Chip Conley, founder of Joie de Vivre Hospitality, which teamed with AGI Capital and TMG Partners on the project. "But Soma Grand is for the rest of us." With prices ranging from $500,000 for 704 square feet to over $1 million for a 1,600-plus three-bedroom, two-bath on an upper floor, this development isn't actually affordable to a lot of "us," including yours truly. But compared to other downtown projects, the Soma Grand can't be considered especially pricey, either.

According to Conley, what's unique about these mid-priced condos are their high-end amenities. "We offer residents the benefits of a boutique hotel, minus the hotel and the luxury prices," he says.

Indeed, Joie de Vivre will deliver an unusual array of services rolled into the HOA fees, including bimonthly housecleaning and "turn-down service," as well as a 24-hour concierge available to help with everything from coordinating handymen and hiring a dog-walker to arranging for someone to troubleshoot a broken computer.

"A lot of us want people to take care of us, but we don't have the time to arrange that," explains Conley. "Many people in San Francisco are more time-starved than money-starved, so the Soma Grand is designed to help people with their lives."

Conley has shown a preternatural sense of "what people want" from the perspective of design and pampering. He began his company 19 years ago after renovating the run-down Phoenix Hotel in the Tenderloin into a swank haven for hipsters and visiting artists. Since then, the company has become known for its eclectic design and careful attention to personal service, growing into the largest boutique hospitality company in California, with about 30 hotels across the state.

Conley says that because Joie de Vivre now has a staff of 2,500, with many teams of housekeepers and maintenance people in the city, the company can afford to include housekeeping and other potentially expensive services as part of the HOA fee. It's this bulk bundling, he says, that makes the concept of high-end amenities affordable.

And what exactly does he mean by "lifestyle"? Talking to Conley, it seems to be a quintessentially San Franciscan cocktail of dark-roast caffeine, creature comforts and spiritual sweating. The lobby will offer 24-hour Peets Coffee and herbal teas for residents and their guests. The building's fifth floor is dedicated to a swimming pool, a sun deck, and a fitness center, which includes a day spa, a yoga studio, a meditation garden, a fire pit and a club room. Soma Grand also boasts a public sculpture garden, a private roof garden and a "unique and sophisticated restaurant." Conley says the company plans to host monthly wine tastings, yoga classes and other "lifestyle" events.

Indeed, the coddling of the condo world seems to be a wave that has only begun to change the fabric of the inner-city living. Once leisure was associated with rural retreats -- moving to the country house, the winery, even the small historic town. Now developers are finding there's a rich vein of passion and cash for living downtown as long as it is accompanied by enough luxuries to offset the grime, crime and hassle. At the Ritz Carlton, the fractional owners receive twice-daily (!) housekeeping and an amenity called "provisioning," which involves the hotel staff unpacking your belongings and filling the fridge with your favorite food before you arrive.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2007, 1:40 AM
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San Fran Makeover.

There is a nice article with diagrams and pictures in the SanFrancisco Magazine about the makeover of South of Market Street (old industrial section and railroads). South of Market is being transformed into a Mini-Manhattan with futuristic buildings, 1000+ footers, advanced bullet trains, etc. I am only able to paste this excerpt from the magazine.

http://www.sanfranmag.com/home/letter_from_the_editor

The boom this time

The word that’s appeared most often in this magazine during the six-plus years I’ve been editing it has got to be boom. First, no surprise, was the dot-com boom and then the wait for the next boom—and all the while home prices kept booming. With apologies for perpetuating boom fatigue: now comes San Francisco’s high-rise boom.

In “San Francisco 2020” writer Barbara Tannenbaum charts the extraordinary impact of the towers and condo complexes scheduled to rise over two full miles of the city’s eastern rim, from the Ferry Building to well south of the ballpark. For a half-century San Francisco had the physical form of a middle-aged city, hemmed in by water and destined to slowly break down, gracefully if we were lucky. The population was 775,000 in 1950; even at the height of the dot-com boom, it officially got to only 776,000 before dropping precipitously again. Well, now we’re near 800,000 and the coming neighborhoods will put us well above that.

What’s amazing to consider is that, unlike its hell-bent predecessor, this boom is choreographed, a three-way fox-trot between city planners, developers, and the market. Occasionally, a politician has broken in—master builder Willie Brown to will Mission Bay into existence, supervisors Chris Daly and Aaron Peskin to twist the arms of Rincon Hill developers. Yet everyone who matters in this city of political haters is moving in the same general direction. It’s the new “Kumbaya”: let’s all plan high-rises together!

The common ground that allows such compromise, as Chris Smith finds in his profile of Peskin (“Captain of the Skyline”), is that the land was largely empty. Even as the preservationist board president will gladly box the ears of any landowner who crosses him, when it comes to underdeveloped land he is happy to let private developers and their bankers gamble billions of their own dollars on creating glossy housing for tens of thousands of mostly wealthy new residents and workers—as long as the city gets what it needs out of the deals.

As the son of a developer, I’m under no illusion that the comity or the real estate market will hold forever. Still, barring epic world disaster, this march is likely inexorable. The developers are mostly Monopoly players on a world scale, like Miami Beach mogul Don Peebles and Tishman Speyer, which just bought 80 acres of prime Manhattan land in one of the biggest deals ever. These outfits are betting on the city’s long-term élan. They have the resources to switch a project’s uses from luxury condos to apartments or offices, or to wait the market out a few years if necessary. I think of the development as a tanker making its way across the bay. It slows but doesn’t turn back.

It’s natural given recent history to look ahead for the proverbial bust, to predict, for example, Blade Runner–like parking wars staining city life in the years before the plan’s new subways and trains are scheduled to arrive. Yet the untortured way we’ve come to the brink of a bold new skyline that makes economic, aesthetic, and even transportation sense gives me pause. Naysaying may not be called for this time. Pore through our provocative and, I think, definitive New City Rising report and tell me if you disagree: rather than doom, the headline word to tie to this boom could be bloom. Or even zoom. 

Bruce Kelley,
Editor-in-Chief

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u should take more pictures of 690 Market St Jobsite.
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Foundry Square




Jewish Museum
This is a hard site to photograph, because the barrier wall is a good 10 feet high.




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Febuary's cover of San Francisco Magazine. It states that the city is going thru its biggest boom since 1906. I havent gone thru the article in it's entirety yet, but it looks to cover more than just the Transbay/Rincon areas.

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try and get a scan of that as soon as you can. that article looks fantastic
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Febuary's cover of San Francisco Magazine. It states that the city is going thru its biggest boom since 1906. I havent gone thru the article in it's entirety yet, but it looks to cover more than just the Transbay/Rincon areas.

Wow!!! If all this were to be built, San Francisco would definitely have one of the best skylines in the U.S.
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AMAZING! San Francisco will have the 3rd tallest skyline in the US.
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I think Webcor made a boo boo on the date of this update:

Foundry Square 1

January 2006

Foundry Square Building 1 is rapidly approaching Level 8 and will be completely poured by the first week of February. Currently, there are 9 sub-contractors working in the lower levels, and by mid February the installation of the building’s plant-precast architectural concrete panels will begin.

We have also received the first delivery of the curtain wall system which includes glass for Levels 1 through 3.



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How tall are those proposals?
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[IMG]Indeed, Joie de Vivre will deliver an unusual array of services rolled into the HOA fees, including bimonthly housecleaning and "turn-down service," as well as a 24-hour concierge available to help with everything from coordinating handymen and hiring a dog-walker to arranging for someone to troubleshoot a broken computer.
Having been President of the HOA in a large building--larger than SOMA Grande--and one that offers many such services, when I read that list, the first thing that pops into my head is the question, "How much is the monthly HOA fee and what guarantee is there it won't have to be raised pretty quick after the developer (who may be temporarily subsidizing it) departs?" All these services have to be paid for. There are basically two ways to do it: (1) Have the HOA contract for such things as the concierge and make their service availabel to everyone or (2) Let them operate in the building as an independet business, providing their service to the residents for a fee they set (or negotiate with the HOA). It can also be done as a combination with the HOA providing space, utilities and so forth in return for lowered fees for the services. But if the "fee for service" option is chosen, especially in a building marketed as being 'affordable to the rest of us", there's the risk not enough people will want to pay for things like "turn down service" and the supplier of that service won't be able to make a profit--and will leave. On the other hand, if the HOA contracts for it and the service is available to every resident at no or low cost, the real cost will have to be covered by the HOA fees.

When I read this sort of thing about a building still under construction, I take a lot of it with a grain of salt. If all that service could be provided at a reasonable cost, more buildings would do it. The first things a highrise needs are janitorial service and security and, in a city like SF, even those things are expensive. The first argument is whether to go union or not. Union is, of course, more expensive, but if there are union members among the residents (in my building, we had one guy who played in the SF Symphony and was a strong union guy), they will raise a rucus if the Board tries to hire non-union serive providers. There's also the fight about whether to employ the people in-house or contract out for janitorial and security services. My point is just that whatever services and arrangements for them exist in the mind of the developer are likely to be very transient and go by the boards when the real world intervenes.
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How tall are those proposals?
To quote JChurch in another thread ( http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...114324&page=20 ):

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1200'
1200'
1200'
900'
900'
850'
850'
800'

... all within a few hundred feet of one another. Am I missing anything?
It should be emphasized, by the way, for those who haven't been following the SF scene, quite a few of those buildings in white on the magazine cover are not "proposals" but either under construction (Infinity, Millenium, One Rincon Hill, Intercontinental Hotel) or approved and near starting construction (Californian, 45 Lansing, 350 Fremont). Those catalogued by JChurch, which are mostly part of the TransBay Terminal project and the tallest buildings pictured on the cover, are indeed still just proposals but several are presently being designed (including what may be the tallest--by Renzo Piano).

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