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View Poll Results: Which Chicago casino proposal is your favorite?
Ballys at Tribune 28 18.67%
Ballys at McCormick 8 5.33%
Hard Rock at One Central 11 7.33%
Rivers at The 78 82 54.67%
Rivers at McCormick 21 14.00%
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2022, 12:21 AM
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Mr. Chicago here,
I am new to this but I am the biggest fan of Chicago. To make my contribution to this great city may I suggest putting the casino on Goose Island by the barge turn-around. Goose Island is an eyesore in need of a rebuild. Also the island is close to the Kennedy. PERFECT LOCATION. Move those factories to the south side along Halstead, provide jobs for people who really need them.
As a river city Chicago has the potential to be up there with the greats. Think about it: Venice, Amsterdam, St. Petersburgh, Chicago. Sounds silly? I think
old Dan Burnham would approve.
You’re referring to Halsted Point? That land is already accounted for. And the Onni group is definitely the real deal as far as developers go.

The Chicago Tribune site is simply for sale right now by an owner who wants to cash out quickly.



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Next steps for the development include the formal filing of the Planned Development application and the eventual hearing by the Chicago Plan Commission, zoning committee, and Chicago City Council. Greyhound is leasing the site through January 2022, with demolition beginning directly afterwards. Phase 1 will commence immediately and last between 24 and 30 months. Delivery schedule for the subsequent phases is contingent on market demands.
https://chicagoyimby.com/2021/04/onn...se-island.html

Morton Salt a little further up the river also wants to create an entertainment venue.


https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/01...arly-approval/
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2022, 12:22 AM
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Goose Island would actually be a fantastic casino location. Good idea Mr. Chicago
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2022, 4:37 PM
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I'm trying to find site plans for the proposals. The city's casino site just has the executive summaries with flashy renderings, and my searches of this thread have so far been ineffective.

Has anyone found the full proposals online somewhere?
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2022, 5:43 PM
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I'm trying to find site plans for the proposals. The city's casino site just has the executive summaries with flashy renderings, and my searches of this thread have so far been ineffective.

Has anyone found the full proposals online somewhere?

I don’t know if they are as detailed as you’d like, but the city evaluation report has some basic site plans.
https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/...port_FINAL.pdf
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2022, 6:46 PM
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^Thanks very much.

Interesting to see Rivers 78 showing the "gateway walk" coming in from Clark & Roosevelt (ramping down from the Roosevelt sidewalk level of +30?)

Not sure what to make of Hard Rock One Central showing a "transit station" on the CN ramp.
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Not sure what to make of Hard Rock One Central showing a "transit station" on the CN ramp.
Definitely take it with a grain of salt, but their proposal is to create a spur that connects to the CTA and also to allow BNSF trains to use their station as a terminus.
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Old Posted Apr 5, 2022, 11:38 PM
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Mr. Chicago here.
A casino can be considered an economic heartbeat for a neighborhood.
Hence my idea of placing the casino on the north end of Goose Island by the small lake below North Ave Bridge. The idea was to pick up the Cabrini area.
I see the options for the location of the casino. Question-are they really inviting places for a casino? Will a casino not clash with the theme of the area? Casinos are usually associated with a resort, hence I placed it on an imaginary rebuilt Goose Island . I submit for your consideration this idea,(and this a serious idea)---the Northerly Island Resort and Casino. Imagine the tax revenue and the rental income from a casino on city land. This casino then can be another heartbeat for the city.
(A personal note-I have cousins in Chicago whom I see every year. I live by NYC therefore I am not up on every detail in Chicago. I am still the biggest fan of Chicago and ,therefore, Mr. Chicago)
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Old Posted Apr 6, 2022, 12:31 AM
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Hence my idea of placing the casino on the north end of Goose Island by the small lake below North Ave Bridge. The idea was to pick up the Cabrini area.
The Bally’s location is a lot closer to the remaining Cabrini townhomes than North Ave. It’s right across the bridge.

The main problem is Goose Island is that the companies that own land there are very difficult to move (and there are a few that are essential research facilities). It would take a years in court to evict them

That building on the Northern tip? That’s the Mars-Wrigley Global HQ.

The warehouses and lots on the NE side… Waste Management transfer point and MxD manufacturing research facility.

Warehouse on the center East Bank … FedEx shipping center.

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I see the options for the location of the casino. Question-are they really inviting places for a casino? Will a casino not clash with the theme of the area?
You mean the existing options?

Bally’s is a short walk from Hubbard street with many bars and night clubs. Known for its drunken escapades.

Hard Rock is next to Soldier Field and McCormick Place. Not much in the area to clash with.

Rivers 78 has been an empty lot for the past century.


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I submit for your consideration this idea,(and this a serious idea)---the Northerly Island Resort and Casino. Imagine the tax revenue and the rental income from a casino on city land.l
This is 100% impossible. The Chicago Lakefront is protected by Public Trust Doctrine, which is just about the harshest law imaginable. Basically, after voiding the Illinois Central Railroad lease to the lakefront, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that the city of Chicago could never use the land for private use or profit ever again.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illi...n_of_the_Court
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If Reilly really wants to appease the River North NIMBY brigade, he should keep his powder dry and use his clout to oppose a temporary casino going into the old Medinah Temple. Bally's Tribune has a temporary site ready to go at 700 Chicago, but if another casino proposal wins the city may consider putting temp gaming at Medinah. I have a feeling it's going to piss off far more of his constituents.
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I haven't listened in on any other presentations, so not sure how this one compares to the others. But..... my observations:
1 - They are leaning hard into "equity" and serving the under-privileged. Not sure if that was in the other presentations for the other bids.
2 - When the topic of the Bears was brought up, the response was "I can't comment on Solider Field or the Bears". That was it, nothing more. Not sure if that was them dodging the question because they know of more, or dodging because they are tying to keep themselves apart from OC.
3 - They really distanced themselves from OC. They are basically saying - "Hey - We can build this damn thing regardless of whatever happens with OC.
4 - They made a very weak argument for the whole "transit" integration. The talked about Metra..... a bus... and that was it. They made it sound like they are closer to CTA than the other two bids, which is not true.

Overall, a weak proposal in my opinion. But.... They do have experience with this stuff, so maybe they are hitting the right buttons that resignate with people that are not like those who frequent this forum.

Just my 2 cents.....
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Went to the Hard Rock/One Central proposal tonight and I was fairly impressed with it.

-A roughly $1.7 project
-They're looking for no city or state monies
-They're talking 50% MBE and 50% developer entity
-6800 to 19000 jobs construction and operation
-They're ready to write a $400M check (I guess for the overbuild), but they say funding/financing wouldn't be an issue.
-Would probably take about 30 months to build
-I asked the HR guy how tall the hotel would be and he didn't have specifics, but maybe about 35 stories/450'??

They keep saying this is "separate" from One Central though it's still One Central's land and airspace. I asked if separate PD's were going to submitted and that's hasn't been determined.

There was some NIMBYism, but I'll say the moderator was pretty awesome and spanked down people when needed.


Speaking of One Central, Bob Dunn in the presentation said they're willing/discussing/planing to scale back OC. After the meeting I asked how much of a reduction and he said about 20%.

So we're still taking maybe about 15M sq ft of planned density, which I can live with.
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Thanks for the info BVictor, I'm curious to hear more from the other 2 proposals now. I feel like Hardrock is the least controversial from a local NIMBY standpoint, so I'm wondering if we will get more vocal oppositions at the next meetings.
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Thanks for the info BVictor, I'm curious to hear more from the other 2 proposals now. I feel like Hardrock is the least controversial from a local NIMBY standpoint, so I'm wondering if we will get more vocal oppositions at the next meetings.
Oh there was plenty of opposition at the Hard Rock meeting.... Just not sure how it will compare in magnitude to the other two proposals. However, much of the criticism was unrelated to the casino, and more of social justice banter towards the city in general.

To me, the Hard Rock just feels.... isolated. There's no water activation (from what I can tell). Again, it's not any closer to any CTA line than the other proposals. It doesn't feel like it will integrate into the neighborhood in any way, including the proposed OC. The thing they have going for them is inertia with respect to getting projects like this off the ground. And maybe, at the end of the day, that's what the city cares most about.
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^Thanks very much.

Interesting to see Rivers 78 showing the "gateway walk" coming in from Clark & Roosevelt (ramping down from the Roosevelt sidewalk level of +30?)

Not sure what to make of Hard Rock One Central showing a "transit station" on the CN ramp.
I think the "gateway walk" would enter the casino on the 2nd floor where the gaming is, so no need to ramp down. The ground floor (at the level of Wells) would be restaurants, convention space, back-of-house.

As a 60608 resident, I'm going to The 78 meeting. I don't really support that proposal compared to Tribune, but I'm not throwing my lot in with the NIMBYs either so I'm just gonna be there as an observer.
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^Thanks very much.

Interesting to see Rivers 78 showing the "gateway walk" coming in from Clark & Roosevelt (ramping down from the Roosevelt sidewalk level of +30?)
I think the plan for the "gateway walk" is to stay at the Roosevelt sidewalk level until it crosses upper LaSalle, then it deposits you at the front door of the casino where the transition to grade happens inside...
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My takeaway from all 3 is I can't believe what passes for a "neighbor" in all these cases. The definition of neighbor and neighborhood has really been stretched. All three are relatively isolated from any semblance of a real neighborhood.

In all three cases, the proposals are hemmed in by either a river, railroad tracks, major arterial corridors, proximity to highways, and yet to be built rental towers hundreds of feet away. All these proposals are near as "off the grid" as one could be while still staying in the confines of an integrated segment of the city and downtown.

If we take the very most liberal definition of "neighbor" available" one would have to clear cut a mile out radius for this sucker to be built. I guess that would make the Southworks site ideal but even then "neighbors" to the West living right up against any such proposal would claim infringement.

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As a 60608 resident, I'm going to The 78 meeting. I don't really support that proposal compared to Tribune, but I'm not throwing my lot in with the NIMBYs either so I'm just gonna be there as an observer.
Not only did I miss your comment before I repeated it, but I also thought it might be worth repeating that I am also a 60608 resident and plan on attending as well... also agree with Tribune support...
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Hard Rock kinda has neighbors, those apt/condo buildings right there will get to see all the people at the hardrock pool across the street.
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