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The New York City Housing Authority (NYCHA) just announced the $1.5 billion plan working with private developers to transform the Fulton Houses and Elliott-Chelsea Houses in the Chelsea neighborhood.
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None of the articles about this over the past few days specifically say in what form the replacement redevelopment will come in. One would hope and assume they are envisioning a redefined streetwall with an orderly layout that still mixes some open space with a more traditional urban building form instead of just rebuilding a taller building that is on the footprints of the old floating in the tower in the park format. One thing I'm waiting for is the cadre of "don't destroy the trees!" types to come out and make as much noise as possible about how you can't correct an historic wrong like turning the page on the tower-in-the-park vernacular if that means losing some mature trees - as if the entire concept of replacement trees is foreign to them.

Anyways, I'm eagerly looking forward to hearing some concrete details of what is envisioned here. It could be a blueprint for other flailing NYCHA projects where the rehab/modernization costs versus replacement just don't pencil out. Obviously we're not looking at complete redevelopment for all or even most pre and post war housing complexes, but where it makes sense - where the land value especially directs them toward that concept, it should be encouraged. Hopefully most public housing tenants would agree that would be the better move - not that we should necessarily be asking for permission from the recipients of public assistance.
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The current plan is to go from 2,055 apartments to 3,500 apartments, some of which will be market rate.
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The current plan is to go from 2,055 apartments to 3,500 apartments, some of which will be market rate.
The redevelopment also seems to hinge on moving most existing tenants into new buildings before the old ones are demolished.

Between adding so many new units and not displacing tenants, that means they'll probably be building on every possible inch. There will probably be some interesting building footprints when this is said and done.
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A wall of buildings along the perimeter with a large interior park flanking 26th St (or even contiguous with Chelsea Park) seems to be the logical site plan here.

Im not sure if the intention is to also replace the NY Health Dept building but that would be a good site for the first building in terms of phasing. I'm sure the facility is pretty outmoded anyways. Also curious what the plan for Chelsea Prep (PS 33) is. The obvious solution would be to incorporate a brand new school into the base of one of the new towers. I would like to see the old City of NY shield saved from the old building and reincorporated though.
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Also the thread title should read Chelsea Houses or technically Fulton/Elliot-Chelsea Houses
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A wall of buildings along the perimeter with a large interior park flanking 26th St (or even contiguous with Chelsea Park) seems to be the logical site plan here.

Im not sure if the intention is to also replace the NY Health Dept building but that would be a good site for the first building in terms of phasing. I'm sure the facility is pretty outmoded anyways. Also curious what the plan for Chelsea Prep (PS 33) is. The obvious solution would be to incorporate a brand new school into the base of one of the new towers. I would like to see the old City of NY shield saved from the old building and reincorporated though.
Some earlier documentation from when renovation was the consideration suggest they might just be looking at NYCHA property. But you are right, those two buildings would make good first sites to redevelop.

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I actually don't mind PS 33 or the NY health buildings on 9th. Maybe I've grown soft, but they include nice open spaces in front of these buildings that are well used.

As a younger person I longed to see the restoration of many of the NYCHA properties back into the street grid. But I've come to appreciate some of their deviation from NYC's grid.
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Residents and NYCHA Announce Plans for Complete Rebuilding of Fulton and Elliott-Chelsea Houses


June 21, 2023


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Today, the New York City Housing Authority (NYCHA) joined residents of Fulton and Elliott-Chelsea Houses to announce plans for a complete rebuilding of the campuses, following a recent survey that was the latest component of an unprecedented resident engagement effort underway since the formation of the Chelsea NYCHA Working Group in 2019.

This spring, the resident-selected partner team, Essence Development and Related Companies, continued their engagement with residents, NYCHA, and the Citizens Housing & Planning Council (CHPC) to facilitate a process for all residents to decide whether to pursue total redevelopment of their campuses or to rehabilitate existing buildings. More than half of resident respondents were in favor of building brand-new NYCHA Project-Based Section 8 buildings across the Fulton, Elliott, and Chelsea campuses.

The new redevelopment plan, which will be overseen by NYCHA and Essence Development, and co-developed by Related Companies, prioritizes the rebuilding of all the campuses’ existing NYCHA apartment buildings, as well as the redesigning of community centers and outdoor spaces, and building additional mixed-income buildings and community facilities (additional plan details are below).

This continuation of a robust resident engagement process is a model for having residents inform and cultivate a path to new, modern, and functional homes, while improving quality of life. In December 2021, the Resident Review Committee – which consisted of 10 resident leaders from the campuses – selected Essence Development and Related Companies as the team that would deliver comprehensive upgrades for nearly 4,500 residents living in 2,055 apartments through the PACT program. The Resident Review Committee evaluated proposals and conducted interviews regarding proposed building upgrades, management practices, sustainability and design features, and plans to enhance social services.

This year, over a 60-day period beginning in March, Essence and NYCHA held 35 information sessions, canvassed thousands of residents, and mailed informational packets to every apartment within the developments to inform the community of the selection process and the three options up for consideration. Residents 18 years of age and older could indicate their preference of new buildings or rehabilitation of existing buildings, using either an online or paper survey. If residents selected new buildings, they could then choose from two variations of new construction plans.

NYCHA currently has a growing backlog of over $40 billion worth of repairs and maintenance due to aging infrastructure and decades of federal disinvestment — the results of which are evident at all NYCHA developments, including Fulton and Elliott-Chelsea Houses.

Following the 2021 designation of the joint venture between Essence Development and Related Companies as the development partner, a pre-design due diligence process revealed significant, previously unknown structural, systemic, and environmental issues, tripling the cost and requiring temporary resident relocation.

Before going ahead with renovations at such a drastically higher cost, longer timeline, and more disruptive schedule, Essence Development, NYCHA, and resident association leadership partnered to develop two alternative paths forward
and engaged with residents directly in a transparent process for them to determine the future of their homes.
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The resident-selected plan includes the following:

-All 2,055 existing NYCHA apartments – including 1,111 homes at Elliott-Chelsea and 944 homes at Fulton – will be replaced on existing campuses within brand-new NYCHA buildings that offer enhanced layouts, ventilation, and energy efficiency.

-Roughly 3,500 new mixed-income apartments, including approximately 875 new affordable apartments, will be added to the campuses.

-Amenities in each building will include resident-controlled, in-unit heating and cooling; new dishwashers, washers, and dryers in every apartment; common area amenities; large, multipurpose community spaces; and rooftop space.

-Onsite community resources will be enhanced with healthcare facilities, community centers, grocery stores, retail stores, and additional outdoor recreational spaces.

-With updated zoning restrictions allowing for taller buildings, new construction is expected to be completed in approximately six years.

-Before residents move into new buildings, some renovations and upkeep will be completed in existing NYCHA residential buildings to immediately improve quality of life while residents await the construction of new NYCHA Section 8 replacement housing.
Additionally, on-site security will be upgraded during this time as well.

-Similar to NYCHA’s PACT program, all resident rights and protections will be preserved. Rent will continue to be calculated at 30 percent of adjusted gross household income, heads of households will be able to add relatives to their household composition, and lease renewals will occur automatically, among other important protections.
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Residents also considered the following two options:

Additional New Construction Option Presented (Within Current Zoning):

-This option would have replaced all 2,055 existing apartments within brand-new NYCHA buildings that offer enhanced layouts, ventilation, and energy efficiency.

-This option would have built new buildings within current zoning restrictions, which would have limited the building height. Construction under this plan would have been completed in approximately nine years.

Original Plan for Rehabilitation of Current Buildings:

-This option would have resulted in the renovation of all apartments, including new windows; updated kitchens, bathrooms, floors; updated heating systems; and new security features.

-All tenants would be relocated out of their units into temporary housing for at least 21 to 30 days (longer in some cases, if necessary, to allow for abatement of serious conditions like asbestos or lead).

-Rehabilitation of current buildings under this plan would have been completed in roughly four years.
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I actually don't mind PS 33 or the NY health buildings on 9th. Maybe I've grown soft, but they include nice open spaces in front of these buildings that are well used.
I know what you mean with the Health building, it has its charms and the parklike setting is charming but I don't see any redeeming value with PS 33 especially if given the option of getting a brand new state of the art school space in the new development.
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Can a mod please change the title of this thread to NEW YORK | Fulton and Elliott-Chelsea Houses Redevelopment
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Per: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2023...illion-repairs


Repairing and renovating New York City’s aging public housing stock will cost more than $78 billion, reports Mihir Zaveri in The New York Times, an estimate 70 percent higher than in 2017.

According to Zaveri, the high cost “largely reflects inflation and growing construction costs, and underscores the staggering challenge facing city officials and the New York City Housing Authority, which runs the system of more than 2,100 buildings.” The agency says roughly $60 billion will be required in the next five years to repair things like boilers and heating systems. As Zaveri explains, “After a federal investigation, the city reached a settlement in 2019 that led to the appointment of a federal monitor to scrutinize NYCHA’s progress on dealing with some of its most serious problems, including lead, mold and heating failures.”

“Unique pockets of affordability” in a notoriously expensive city, NYCHA developments house over 330,000 New Yorkers, with almost 275,000 families on the agency’s waiting list.

During his administration, Mayor Adams has focused on shifting NYCHA developments to private management, which “could allow the agency to tap into billions of dollars in loans and subsidies, and could also lead to the demolition of some buildings.”
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