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Old Posted Dec 2, 2022, 1:48 PM
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It was a hot subforum back in the day!
Oh, yes! We still have our own sub-forum (probably just for legacy purposes at this point). I don't live there anymore and I think TWAK lives a couple hrs away now.
     
     
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I'd like to visit Sacramento. Never been before, but I have a feeling I might like it. The downtown seems kinda meh from what I've heard/seen on streetview, but the urban grid is pretty impressive and extensive, and the tree canopy does seem to be robust. I get the sense there isn't a ton to do there, but I'd still like to visit. Maybe on the way to Tahoe sometime.

Neighborhoods like this and this seem very comfortable. Kind of East Bay/Portland vibes. It seems like a nice place to grow up or raise a family, and the people I've met from there have been nice and grounded and largely without pretense. I get why people would say it's like a Midwestern city on the West Coast. I have heard about the awful summer heat, though. Wouldn't love that...
Most importantly, Sacramento has a solid craft beer scene.
     
     
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I'd be surprised if Sacramento actually has more trees per capita than Atlanta. That city is very low density for a major city and is almost quite literally in a forest.




Perhaps not, but Milwaukee is a "Genuine American City".

The others are all imposters
I was thinking the same thing. In any picture of Atlanta's skyline you see more trees than buildings. When you're walking around, there are trees everywhere.

I mean, unless you're living under a rock, the most dense tree canopy in the country is clearly in what I think of as the Inland Piedmont Region (Atlanta to Greenville and Charlotte and Raleigh) all the way up the Appalachian Ridge to New England.

The only place along the East Coast north of Georgia where tree canopy is not very dense is immediately near the coast, and even that is not necessarily the case. Southern New Jersey stands out in my mind as a place that is lacking super dense tree canopy in this corridor...but it's the exception.
     
     
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Central Valley cities summers are a breeze compared to parts of Arizona and Southern Nevada (Las Vegas).
My understanding is that it actually cools down somewhat at night in the Central Valley? In Phoenix nowadays, you're lucky if you can get overnight summer lows in below 80F.
     
     
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Oh, yes! We still have our own sub-forum (probably just for legacy purposes at this point). I don't live there anymore and I think TWAK lives a couple hrs away now.
Technically I live a couple hours away from everything .
I hella miss Sacramento though, especially since I used to live downtown.
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My understanding is that it actually cools down somewhat at night in the Central Valley? In Phoenix nowadays, you're lucky if you can get overnight summer lows in below 80F.
As soon as the sun goes down there is reprieve from the summer heat and then the delta breeze will help. Maybe not for the southern parts...but definitely Sac to Stockton.
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No appeal to me, specially with a San Francisco just right there.
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The northern half of the Central Valley (and the coastal ranges to the west) have some of the strongest diurnal temperature variations on Earth.

Average high/average low for July:

Sacramento - 92/59 (yes, the average morning in July is under 60 F!)

Fresno - 97/69
Redding - 99/67
Oakland - 71/56
San Francisco - 66/54

Chicago - 85/68
New York - 84/70 (the average overnight in NYC in July won't even fall to the 60s)

Actually, looking at how quickly Sac cools overnight, maybe I was too quick to write it off personally...

Lastly, Hayfork, California in Trinity County:
July average high of 93 F
July average low of 44 F
An average variation of 49 degrees!
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^Yeah it's a pretty big gap between day and night/early morning temps. The fog can get quite brutal in the early morning....
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No appeal to me, specially with a San Francisco just right there.
If you can't afford SF, Sac is a go-to.
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If you can't afford SF, Sac is a go-to.
Yeah, I'd gladly stay in SP then. Suburban, small town life is not for me.
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Yeah, I'd gladly stay in SP then. Suburban, small town life is not for me.
I think the people that play up places like Sacramento are just talking about somewhere that they can afford to buy a single-family house in a middle class neighborhood. In fact, that's almost always what these "affordability" litmus tests boil down to for some reason. They also almost always ignore the cost of transportation, which evens out the true cost gap between "expensive" coastal cities with good transit and sprawly sfh oriented cities with no transit.
     
     
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I think the people that play up places like Sacramento are just talking about somewhere that they can afford to buy a single-family house in a middle class neighborhood. In fact, that's almost always what these "affordability" litmus tests boil down to for some reason. They also almost always ignore the cost of transportation, which evens out the true cost gap between "expensive" coastal cities with good transit and sprawly sfh oriented cities with no transit.
I know two-parent children family is a big demographic, but it's far from being the single one that all those articles suggest. Its share is actually decreasing pretty much everywhere.

And what that demographic (supposedly) wants, it's definitely not what I want in a city or neighborhood.
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Yeah, I'd gladly stay in SP then. Suburban, small town life is not for me.
Sac is quite urban, especially in the older neighborhoods.

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I think the people that play up places like Sacramento are just talking about somewhere that they can afford to buy a single-family house in a middle class neighborhood. In fact, that's almost always what these "affordability" litmus tests boil down to for some reason. They also almost always ignore the cost of transportation, which evens out the true cost gap between "expensive" coastal cities with good transit and sprawly sfh oriented cities with no transit.
Shucks, I couldn't afford a condo in SF let alone a house. I could do a condo in Sac but not a house though, because me poor.
Sac has excellent transit too and I used to take the bus or light rail to Sac State. There's also Capitol Corridor for commuters to the bay area.
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Sac is quite urban, especially in the older neighborhoods.
But it's too small. And I guess one cannot even dream to live car-free there, even in Downtown.
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But it's too small. And I guess one cannot even dream to live car-free there, even in Downtown.
I did, but yes it's a "midsize metro" since it's under 3 million. The Sac to SF supermetro though is comparable to some close east coast cities. Sac to SF might be comparable to LA as far as distance, since the LA metro goes out hella far.
I had to have a car to get to work @ Travis AFB, but that's a different can of worms.
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I did, but yes it's a "midsize metro" since it's under 3 million. The Sac to SF supermetro though is comparable to some close east coast cities.
I had to have a car to get to work @ Travis AFB, but that's a different can of worms.
The problem with the US is that 2.5 million people metro area feels like a 500k one in Europe or South America.
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Yeah, I'd gladly stay in SP then. Suburban, small town life is not for me.
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it's definitely not what I want in a city or neighborhood.
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But it's too small.
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I did, but yes it's a "midsize metro" since it's under 3 million. The Sac to SF supermetro though is comparable to some close east coast cities. Sac to SF might be comparable to LA as far as distance, since the LA metro goes out hella far.
It's about the same size if we regard them both as supermetros. It's 110 miles (as the crow flies) from Santa Clarita to Temecula. Same distance from Los Gatos to Roseville. Of course SoCal is a little more "filled in" along that entire distance.
     
     
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ok we get it dude
Sorry. Next time I'll ask you permission to post in any thread.

BTW, do you ever discuss anything not related to Los Angeles or California?
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Sorry. Next time I'll ask you permission to post in any thread.

BTW, do you ever discuss anything not related to Los Angeles or California?
Yeah, remember when every single prediction you made in the Russia thread turned out to be wrong? lol.
     
     
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It's about the same size if we regard them both as supermetros. It's 110 miles (as the crow flies) from Santa Clarita to Temecula. Same distance from Los Gatos to Roseville. Of course SoCal is a little more "filled in" along that entire distance.
There's urban growth boundaries and greenbelts that will keep the I-80 corridor that way, although Vacaville and Fairfield are both developing some of the empty areas.
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