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[Steely Dan]

^ 1,900 SF isn't even really all that big by US house sizes.

It's actually a bit below average.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

^ 1,900 SF isn't even really all that big by US house sizes.

It's actually a bit below average.

That's crazy, specially as you already have big plots. It's not like you'll feel claustrophobic inside.

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by Yuri

Of course it's big! 200m², a four bedroom house for all those childless/one child couples around.

And about cleaning, at least down here, we like very clean, so it demands time. I have a housekeeping coming once a week because she's way better than me to keep things clean. I live in a 900 sqft two bedroom apartment, which is actually very big for a couple here in SP. It's an old 1940's building, a time apartments were way bigger.

I suppose it depends on the cleaning habits. I mean I'm not designing or building silicon chips in the home, so I don't need it clean to the point where nanometer particles are removed. There is medication for that condition... jk

Yeah its honestly different standards. For example, you may see some of our food portions here. Massive. I've seen some tourists for example in NY say that the portions are big. But are they for American standards? Nah! That goes to Texas or down South where the portions are big, and than the next level up, Cardiac Arrest size. American homes like our food portions are big.

2500-2600 sq-ft tends to be your average new home construction size. Once you cross into the 3k sqf-ft threshold, that is the new big. Back in the day, 2000 sq-ft was big, like during the days in the 50's when men were men and wore hats at the dinner table.

Home size has increased, as have the guts of Americans. Like inflation of the gut and home square footage.

Now the question I have is what's up with the ice in Europe? No ice! Need ice in the drinks. Can't be drinking this lukewarm water or soda.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by chris08876

I suppose it depends on the cleaning habits. I mean I'm not designing or building silicon chips in the home, so I don't need it clean to the point where nanometer particles are removed. There is medication for that condition... jk

Brazilians are a bit maniac with cleaning inside their homes. And unfortunately, due the income inequalities, till very recently (1990's-2000's) even the middle class could afford full time housekeeper. Now it's only for the rich, but not exclusive housekeepers are very common, coming twice a week, once a week or twice a month.

I'm not like that, but housecleaning bothers me a bit and I like things organized/clean. So smaller place works better for me. If I were millionaire, well, then I wouldn't mind.

Originally Posted by chris08876

Yeah its honestly different standards. For example, you may see some of our food portions here. Massive. I've seen some tourists for example in NY say that the portions are big. But are they for American standards? Nah! That goes to Texas or down South where the portions are big, and than the next level up, Cardiac Arrest size. American homes like our food portions are big.

2500-2600 sq-ft tends to be your average new home construction size. Once you cross into the 3k sqf-ft threshold, that is the new big. Back in the day, 2000 sq-ft was big, like during the days in the 50's when men were men and wore hats at the dinner table.

Home size has increased, as have the guts of Americans. Like inflation of the gut and home square footage.

Yeah, Americans like things very big, but I imagine things had downsized a bit in the past 20 years.

But objectively speaking, this house is big. Families are much smaller, very often, it's only a couple, and it's not like Americans are very excited about big family reunions.

Originally Posted by chris08876

How the question I have is what's up with the ice in Europe? No ice! Need ice in the drinks. Can't be drinking this lukewarm water or soda.

Completely agree with you. Ice is a must. Drinks taste much better very cold.

[dimondpark]

SF has surpassed $2M, SD is close to $1M

Released Apr 19, 2022

CA Counties by Median Home Price, March 2022
San Mateo, CA $2,280,000
San Francisco, CA $2,060,000
Santa Clara, CA $1,950,000
Marin, CA $1,737,500
Santa Cruz, CA $1,600,000
Alameda, CA $1,430,000
Orange, CA $1,305,000
Santa Barbara, CA $1,300,000
Mono, CA $1,100,000
Napa, CA $998,000
Contra Costa, CA $965,900
San Diego, CA $950,000
Ventura, CA $914,000
Monterey, CA $911,000
San Luis Obispo, CA $903,000
San Benito, CA $835,000
Sonoma, CA $833,759
Los Angeles, CA $781,050
El Dorado, CA $750,000
Placer, CA $701,730
Yolo, CA $657,000
Riverside, CA $620,000
Solano, CA $604,000
Sacramento, CA $560,000
Nevada, CA $559,000
San Joaquin, CA $550,000
Mariposa, CA $530,000
Mendocino, CA $506,000
Calaveras, CA $492,000
San Bernardino, CA $475,000
Stanislaus, CA $470,500
Butte, CA $465,000
Sutter, CA $460,000
Tuolumne, CA $450,000
Amador, CA $440,000
Yuba, CA $432,500
Humboldt, CA $430,000
Madera, CA $430,000
Fresno, CA $415,000
Tehama, CA $401,880
Del Norte, CA $398,000
Plumas, CA $391,500
Shasta, CA $390,000
Merced, CA $385,000
Lake, CA $370,000
Kern, CA $369,750
Tulare, CA $360,980
Kings, CA $325,000
Glenn, CA $320,000
Siskiyou, CA $308,000
Lassen, CA $243,000

https://www.car.org/aboutus/mediacen...s/mar2022sales

[Crawford]

Insanity.

How can Santa Cruz be $1.6 million median? That isn't a job-rich area.

[jmecklenborg]

I had the day off yesterday and did some minor work for about an hour on my rental property, which is in a student rental area. I get calls to buy the thing all the time but yesterday I had a couple walk up in person and beg to rent the house for $600/mo more than what the current tenants are paying.

This is interesting for two reasons - #1 people asking to rent in-person and #2 non-students wanting to rent in a college student neighborhood since there is a shortage of single-family homes for rent.

Nationwide, I'm curious as to whether some longtime student rentals are now being rented to much higher-paying young professionals or families, thereby putting even more pressure on students who want to rent.

[homebucket]

Originally Posted by Yuri

But objectively speaking, this house is big. Families are much smaller, very often, it's only a couple, and it's not like Americans are very excited about big family reunions.

I tend to agree. One thing Americans do poorly is learning to live with less. Smaller cars, smaller houses, smaller footprints. A single guy living out in the burbs does not need a 6 bedroom, 4000 sq ft house and drive around in a Tahoe.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Yuri

it's not like Americans are very excited about big family reunions.

that depends on the family.

i'm leaving later today for a 3-day family reunion down at a state park in indiana with a whole bunch of my extended relatives.

we've ben doing this annual get-together every spring for the past 40 years now.

i'm pretty excited about it!

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

SF has surpassed $2M, SD is close to $1M

Released Apr 19, 2022

CA Counties by Median Home Price, March 2022
San Mateo, CA $2,280,000
San Francisco, CA $2,060,000
Santa Clara, CA $1,950,000
Marin, CA $1,737,500
Santa Cruz, CA $1,600,000
Alameda, CA $1,430,000
Orange, CA $1,305,000
Santa Barbara, CA $1,300,000
Mono, CA $1,100,000
Napa, CA $998,000
Contra Costa, CA $965,900
San Diego, CA $950,000
Ventura, CA $914,000
Monterey, CA $911,000
San Luis Obispo, CA $903,000
San Benito, CA $835,000
Sonoma, CA $833,759
Los Angeles, CA $781,050
El Dorado, CA $750,000
Placer, CA $701,730
Yolo, CA $657,000
Riverside, CA $620,000
Solano, CA $604,000
Sacramento, CA $560,000
Nevada, CA $559,000
San Joaquin, CA $550,000
Mariposa, CA $530,000
Mendocino, CA $506,000
Calaveras, CA $492,000
San Bernardino, CA $475,000
Stanislaus, CA $470,500
Butte, CA $465,000
Sutter, CA $460,000
Tuolumne, CA $450,000
Amador, CA $440,000
Yuba, CA $432,500
Humboldt, CA $430,000
Madera, CA $430,000
Fresno, CA $415,000
Tehama, CA $401,880
Del Norte, CA $398,000
Plumas, CA $391,500
Shasta, CA $390,000
Merced, CA $385,000
Lake, CA $370,000
Kern, CA $369,750
Tulare, CA $360,980
Kings, CA $325,000
Glenn, CA $320,000
Siskiyou, CA $308,000
Lassen, CA $243,000

https://www.car.org/aboutus/mediacen...s/mar2022sales

Hmm, incomplete list. California has 58 counties, and I only counted 51. I was curious to know about Imperial County, which I imagine to be on the lower end.

[homebucket]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

Fresno, CA $415,000
Merced, CA $385,000
Kern, CA $369,750

I imagine these counties will get a bump up once HSR is complete. Might be a good time to buy in these areas now as investment.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by sopas ej

Hmm, incomplete list. California has 58 counties, and I only counted 51.

Yes, I know, these are the only counties included in the report, which is odd.

[homebucket]

Speaking of large homes...







More photos here:
https://www.nealwardproperties.com/p...00-divisadero/

Former CEO of Kimpton Hotels lists historic mansion in San Francisco's Pacific Heights for $16M

Anna Marie Erwert, SFGATE
May 5, 2022

With a storied, celebrity past and almost a century of careful preservation paired with with high-end, careful renovation, 2500 Divisadero is a San Francisco legend. You could write the next chapter for this historic mansion, on the market now for $15.995 million.

This 9,125 square-foot home was built in 1933 by locally renowned architect Angus McSweeny, a partner in Willis, Polk, and Company, an architectural partnership that produced hundreds of significant commercial and residential buildings in the Bay Area, including the Palace of Fine Arts.

Later McSweeny would go on to form his own firm. Along with this home, other notable buildings to McSweeny's credit are 1200 California and St Mary's Cathedral on Gough, the latter of which he served as part of collaborative team to create and construct.

The grandeur of those buildings is clearly present in 2500 Divisadero, with its classic Tudor craftsmanship. Hand-carved woodwork; hand-laid stone and brick; dramatic arches, peaks, beams, built-ins and embellishments; all of these features still present.

...

The home has illustrious history. Before it was built, its location was a backdrop for the 1924 the Buster Keaton silent movie, "The Navigator." Once the home was built, its original owners were the Bissinger family: Marjorie Walter Bissinger was the founder of the Asian Art Museum.

The home has also housed the Canadian Consulate, and has featured in San Francisco's Decorator Showcase. Previous owners and philanthropists Jeff and Laurie Ubben used the home to host fund raisers for a variety of causes. At one point, Martha Stewart stayed in the upper floor guest rooms while she and Jeff Ubben worked together.

https://www.sfgate.com/realestate/ar...P-CP-Spotlight

[Crawford]

I love the outside look of Tudors, but they're just too dark inside.

Also, Tudors just seem weird in California.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by Crawford

I love the outside look of Tudors, but they're just too dark inside.

Also, Tudors just seem weird in California.

many pld money towns in the bay area have quite a few tudors. I dont like the darkness inside either, feels haunted.

[jmecklenborg]

Originally Posted by Crawford

I love the outside look of Tudors, but they're just too dark inside.

Also, Tudors just seem weird in California.

Here's a home of a similar vintage with modern upgrades in Ohio for...1/10th the price:
https://www.sibcycline.com/Listing/C...ndale-OH-45229

I believe that this one served as a fraternity house for 30-40 years until it was purchased and renovated by the current owners around 2015.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Crawford

I love the outside look of Tudors, but they're just too dark inside.

Also, Tudors just seem weird in California.

In a NorCal/PNW/Cascadia/Vancouver setting, they’re not that out of place, but in the Southwest/SoCal, I agree.

SF looks really gorgeous in those pics!

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by lio45

In a NorCal/PNW/Cascadia/Vancouver setting, they’re not that out of place, but in the Southwest/SoCal, I agree.

SF looks really gorgeous in those pics!

Bay Area is pretty sunny. Maybe not Pacifica, or a few western SF neighborhoods, but very sunny for Eastern U.S. standards.

To me, it's weird seeing all those Tudors in Burlingame and the like. I think of Tudors as fitting for UK and older Northeast Corridor, especially NY and Philly, but weird with palm trees and sun. And CA is all about indoor-outdoor living. Dinner outdoors and the like. Weird with a sealed-off Tudor.

Westchester County, NY is probably the most Tudor-heavy U.S. geography.

But yeah, regardless of locale, generally too dark, at least for residential

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

^ 1,900 SF isn't even really all that big by US house sizes.

It's actually a bit below average.

If I recall correctly the average US house was 2,400 square feet, unless someone has more up to date info.

[SIGSEGV]

Originally Posted by Wigs

If I recall correctly the average US house was 2,400 square feet, unless someone has more up to date info.

that might be the average new construction detached home or something like that...but 2,400 square feet would be large for a home built even 30 years ago...