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Old Posted Jun 28, 2018, 6:33 PM
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Pilsen benefits from being close to both UIC and downtown IMO. Little Village is a bit out there. Plus the south branch of the river is heavily industrialized over there. Only now are we seeing the industrial uses along the north branch vacated and possibly redeveloped into office/light industrial/residential.

Little Village, which has issues with crime itself, also has less than ideal neighbors, mainly North Lawndale. The gentry may take hold in Pilsen, but I think the near south side lakefront, Bridgeport, and Chinatown will all gentrify before Little Village does.
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Thalia Hall in Pilsen is the same distance from the pink line as the north part of Little Village is from the Pink line, and that area of Pilsen is gentrifying.
it is, but it also has the advantage of the Halsted bus, which i imagine people rely on moreso over there for daily commuting. walking all the way from Halsted to the 18th stop every day dosent make a lot of sense if youre going to the loop. its a hike no matter how you slice it.

anyway, Thalia pulls in national touring acts, so people are going to show up there one way or another. i dont know how many are walking all the way back to the 18th stop late after a show, but id imagine a lot are relying on uber, esp since the 18th street bus stops running early. East Pilsen has succeded despite its poor transit connections, its true, but not every neighborhood is going to have that concentration of galleries and a major performance space. if thalia hall/duseks werent there, that neighborhood would still be on an upward trajectory, but definitely not to the extent we've seen. that building changed the game.
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When I looked into Census data about Pilsen, the demographics changes were almost entirely attributable to falling household sizes in the Latino/Hispanic segment of the population. White population looks like it's booming from a percentage standpoint, but the absolute increase is less jarring.

My understanding (and what I've anecdotally heard from neighbors when I lived in Pilsen) is that it's really popular among the Latino/Hispanic "yuppie" crowd as well, due to the history and connectivity. Certainly it's preferable among that segment to other predominantly Latino/Hispanic neighborhoods on the SW side (e.g. Archer Heights, Gage Park, Brighton Park).
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that too. theres a lot of 2nd/3rd generation Latinos opening their own businesses and buying property of their own. these people arent stupid or naive about the path of gentrification, as if its somehow only a white phenomenon. they want ownership of their childhood neighborhood. my GF bought a home on the same street she grew up on, and im sure as a result shes well above the median income for the area.
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Well, who's to say what will be built in Little Village in the next 10 years. No one knows, and it might become a draw, or maybe Chicago will be nuked by North Korea.
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Really what's going on in Pilsen is that long-time renters can't afford to stay, but the people who bought have the choice to sell or stay. There are still a lot of unrenovated units in Pilsen though and those can't charge rents at the levels that the gentrifiers can pay. Considering the makeup of the neighborhood and the general lack of developable parcels there are few opportunities for affordable housing to be built. I think the city should really try to push affordable housing where possible in Pilsen like on Western Ave or the old industrial area near Cermak and Halsted.

The other thing is that Pilsen really isn't a "port-of-entry" neighborhood as a lot of the low-skill production and warehousing jobs have moved further and further out of the city. That is a trend that has little to do with gentrification, and is more a function of the needs of those industries.
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The other thing is that Pilsen really isn't a "port-of-entry" neighborhood as a lot of the low-skill production and warehousing jobs have moved further and further out of the city. That is a trend that has little to do with gentrification, and is more a function of the needs of those industries.
well, it also has to do with the fact that immigration from mexico has plummeted, but thats a different topic.
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My understanding (and what I've anecdotally heard from neighbors when I lived in Pilsen) is that it's really popular among the Latino/Hispanic "yuppie" crowd as well, due to the history and connectivity.
Didn't the hipsters show up like 15 years ago?
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Didn't the hipsters show up like 15 years ago?
I moved in 14 years ago...
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I mean the fact were still talking about uptown or Rogers Park being "on the verge" of gentrifying despite the fact that SFHs are basically running upwards of a million shows how pointless these conversations are. Everyone has their own definition, and its different from a rent vs buy perspective on top of it. And yes, everyone I know who grew up in Pilsen had basically written off the East end basically as soon as Pod and the galleries started going in 20 years ago. But then to someone whose moving there from Lakeview in 2018, it's all " new" from their perspective and in comparison nowhere near as built out (by their standards)

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^BTW, Podmajersky, Inc. has been trying to gentrify East Pilsen since he purchased his first building in the 50's!
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I mean the fact were still talking about uptown or Rogers Park being "on the verge" of gentrifying despite the fact that SFHs are basically running upwards of a million shows how pointless these conversations are. Everyone has their own definition, and its different from a rent vs buy perspective on top of it. And yes, everyone I know who grew up in Pilsen had basically written off the East end basically as soon as Pod and the galleries started going in 20 years ago. But then to someone whose moving there from Lakeview in 2018, it's all " new" from their perspective and in comparison nowhere near as built out (by their standards)
Exactly, not every neighborhood is on a Wicker Park trajectory from slum to millionaires row. For one, we don't have a bottomless supply of millionaires in Chicago for every neighborhood to have that end result. Some neighborhoods that are "gentrifying" like Rogers Park are really just integrating, because their strong fundamentals like lakefront, transit, etc are balanced out by a long commute to downtown.

Sure, some buildings are getting renovated, tenants evicted and rents boosted, but because of the lack of certain fundamentals, the overall demographics of the neighborhood aren't really changing rapidly, and there's not enough demand from wealthier individuals to totally turn over the entirety or even the majority of the housing stock.

The million-dollar houses in RP are just an artifact of Chciago's housing market, where else on the North Side can you get an SFH within a mile of the lakefront, right off the Red Line? Nobody of modest means in Chicago should expect to afford a whole house near the lakefront, there are still some deals to be had on the South Side but those will evaporate in the next ten-fifteen years. The housing market is rationalizing away from the racist redlining pattern of the 1960s into a new pattern that is purely based on access to amenities vs. space. Don't have a lot of money, but wanna live near the lakefront and an L line? Be prepared to live in a studio. Want a lot of space? Be prepared to live in a relative boondock neighborhood like Portage Park or Galewood.
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When I looked into Census data about Pilsen, the demographics changes were almost entirely attributable to falling household sizes in the Latino/Hispanic segment of the population. White population looks like it's booming from a percentage standpoint, but the absolute increase is less jarring.

My understanding (and what I've anecdotally heard from neighbors when I lived in Pilsen) is that it's really popular among the Latino/Hispanic "yuppie" crowd as well, due to the history and connectivity. Certainly it's preferable among that segment to other predominantly Latino/Hispanic neighborhoods on the SW side (e.g. Archer Heights, Gage Park, Brighton Park).

This is the data of Lower West Side of the 2010 ACS vs. 2016 ACS (because you aren't supposed to compare the ACS to the decennial census)...

Total Population Difference
Asian alone, non Hispanic: +522 people
Black alone, non Hispanic: +266 people
White, Non Hispanic alone: +209 people
Hispanic: -3490 people

Population Percentage Difference
White alone, non Hispanic: +1.65 pct points
Asian alone, non Hispanic: +1.62 pct points
Black alone, non Hispanic: +1.02 pct points
Hispanic: -4.23 pct points


So from what I can see, I wouldn't call any of these things booming even from a percentage standpoint. Asian alone (non hispanic) has the highest increase of any of these groups, and black alone (non hispanic) is next, then the white non hispanic. Obviously Hispanic is decreasing a lot. I guess you could say though it's good it's maybe getting less segregated - though it's still over 77% Hispanic, and 15% white. Next highest is black at 3.8%...


In case anybody is curious, and I'm sure people are, here is by tract the population changes. Each link has a map of the tract in it
* http://www.usa.com/IL031310300.html ==> +339 people
* http://www.usa.com/IL031841200.html ==> + 306 people
* http://www.usa.com/IL031310200.html ==> +82 people
* http://www.usa.com/IL031310400.html ==> -83 people
* http://www.usa.com/IL031310500.html ==> -141 people
* http://www.usa.com/IL031310900.html ==> -143 people
* http://www.usa.com/IL031310600.html ==> -211 people
* http://www.usa.com/IL031310700.html ==> -537 people
* http://www.usa.com/IL031843200.html ==> -598 people
* http://www.usa.com/IL031310800.html ==> -603 people
* http://www.usa.com/IL031841300.html ==> -921 people

So basically, the area bounded by Morgan, 16th, Cermak, and Jefferson grew by 421 people, which is a 14.52% increase of population. The tract just across the river in Chinatown increased by over 300 people - so all those places together had an increase of 759 people, or an increase of 7.69%.

White, Non Hispanic:
Biggest Increase (+138 WNH people): http://www.usa.com/IL031310500.html
Biggest Decrease (-154 WNH people): http://www.usa.com/IL031310700.html

Black, Non Hispanic:
Biggest Increase (+129 BNH people): http://www.usa.com/IL031841200.html
Biggest Decrease (-63 BNH people): http://www.usa.com/IL031310400.html

Asian, Non Hispanic
Biggest Increase (+203 ANH people): http://www.usa.com/IL031310300.html
Biggest Decrease (-78 ANH people): http://www.usa.com/IL031310600.html

Hispanic
Biggest Increase(+189 Hispanic people): http://www.usa.com/IL031310300.html
Biggest Decrease (-1030 Hispanic people): http://www.usa.com/IL031841300.html
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It’s a breaking headline in the Tribune, but I can’t access the article. Can anyone post the details?

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Uptown Theatre will be restored: $75 million plan unveiled for grand palace on North Side

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After 35 years of stuttering starts, empty promises, a court-ordered sale and oft-reckless neglect, the 4,381-seat, 46,000-square-foot Uptown Theatre — once the gilded crown jewel of the Balaban & Katz theater chain, and among the most opulent and gorgeous movie palaces ever built in America — is finally to be restored to its 1925 glory.

In other words, what long has seemed impossible to dogged, devoted preservationists, nostalgists and the tireless volunteer group known as the Friends of the Uptown is finally happening on Chicago’s North Side. And an eye-popping $75 million has been pieced together and set aside for the restoration of a dangerously decayed and decrepit theater that was boarded up after a J. Geils Band concert on Dec. 19, 1981, leaving aging Chicagoans only with their memories of once seeing Bruce Springsteen, Bob Marley, Prince or the Grateful Dead inside its historic bones.

This is not just another plan for the 4816 N. Broadway flagship of the Uptown neighborhood, insists Mayor Rahm Emanuel. This time it’s for real. Assuming the plan passes the City Council and other regulatory hurdles, the restoration and redevelopment project is slated to begin this fall. Within two years, the boards should be off the windows, the venue open for business and a curious public careening once again down the grand lobby staircase.

“This is the fulfillment of a promise,” said Emanuel in an interview Thursday. “When I was still mayor-elect, I talked about creating an entertainment district in Uptown. Our investments in culture are one of our best drivers of economic growth and job creation in our neighborhoods.”

The new Uptown will be a joint and equal venture between the Chicago-based promoter Jam Productions (which gained ownership of the landmarked Uptown for $3.2 million in 2008) and Farpoint Development. A new partnership entity will be formed.

Relatively new to the Uptown party, Farpoint Development is led by Scott Goodman, who co-founded Sterling Bay and helped build that firm into one of Chicago’s biggest and best-known commercial real estate developers, with projects including McDonald’s headquarters’ move to the former site of Oprah Winfrey’s Harpo Studios and Google’s Midwest headquarters in a former cold-storage warehouse. Goodman and three other longtime Sterling Bay executives left the company in 2016 to start Farpoint.

“The Uptown is an amazing asset in an amazing neighborhood,” Goodman said. “This was the rare opportunity to do something really cool.”

Goodman said the architect for the project has yet to be selected.

Jam’s specialty is concert promotion, but the plan is for the Uptown to feature a variety of live events.

“Concerts. Comedy. Dance. Special events. A whole multitude of things,” said Arny Granat, the co-founder and co-owner, with Jerry Mickelson, of Jam Productions. “This is a game changer for the city. It’s not just about concerts, it’s about the economic development that now will occur in the Uptown neighborhood”

Granat also said that, for some events, main-floor seats will be removed, allowing for an audience capacity as high as 5,800. Even with all-seated events, the Uptown’s size eclipses all other theaters in the city, including the 3,901-seat Auditorium Theatre and the 3,600-seat Chicago Theatre, both of which are about to experience some formidable new competition.

From uptown.

The mayor’s office said the piecemeal financing for the Uptown Theatre comes from an array of public and private sources: $14 million in financing through the State of Illinois’ Property Assessed Clean Energy Act; $13 million in tax-increment financing; $10 million in Build Illinois bond funding; $8.7 million in federal tax credits; and $3.7 million in the City of Chicago’s Adopt-a-Landmark funds. Jam and Farpoint are kicking in the remaining $26 million in a yet-to-be-determined mix of debt and equity. The restoration scheme also includes $6 million in streetscape improvements to portions of North Broadway, and Lawrence and Wilson avenues and Argyle Street, including a new pedestrian plaza and public stage, located just south of Lawrence and Broadway.

The byzantine road to restoration — and the campaigns to avoid the wrecking ball — have been as melodramatic as one of the movies the Uptown showcased in the 1920s.

Back in 2002, politicians and arts supporters, including Ivar Albert Goodman, held a news conference announcing an impending restoration. But the nonprofit group calling itself the Uptown Theatre and Center for the Arts did not have the money to acquire the building. And Goodman’s $1 million donation quickly was spent with nothing concrete to show. In a civil complaint, the Illinois attorney general’s office alleged the money had been spent on purchases at luxury hotels, restaurants and clothing stores.

“This theater,” said then-Ald. Mary Ann Smith, 48th, to the Tribune, “tends to attract people with stars in their eyes.”

Indeed it did. All kinds of people with all kinds of fantasies.

But as early as 2000, a report by the Urban Land Institute of Washington, D.C., had laid out the essential, irrefutable argument for the Uptown: "Future generations will not forgive those who do not attend to this obligation."

For Chicago politicians, the Uptown has been a major quandary for decades. Restoration was jaw-droppingly expensive and thus beyond the reach of most private owners, especially since success in the highly competitive entertainment business was far from assured. But what mayor or alderman would want to be associated for life with the demolition of such a treasured and unique beauty?

Designed by the famed team of C.W. and Geo. L. Rapp (known as Rapp and Rapp) and touted on opening as containing “an acre of seats in a magic city” behind its Spanish Baroque facade, the huge six-story lobbies and extra-wide staircases of the Uptown could get 4,300 people out the doors, and another 4,300 inside, all within 16 minutes. In its first five years of operation in the 1920s, more than 20 million Chicagoans went through its portals into a fantastical world apart, one that Rapp and Rapp had wanted to resemble such creations as the Palace of Versailles.

There were floating “clouds,” tiny twinkling lights in the ceiling and even a perfuming system under the seats.

It was a far cry from Al Capone’s Chicago.

Had the Uptown Theatre been in the Loop, it likely would have been restored long ago, alongside the busy, historic theaters now owned or operated by Broadway in Chicago and Madison Square Garden Entertainment. But the Uptown’s massive size — too big for many concerts and most Broadway musicals — and its location in a neighborhood with significant economic challenges presented the dilemma of how to attract suburban and tourist audiences to an address that’s about 8 miles from the corner of State and Madison streets. Especially given the relative lack of parking and the large number of competing venues in the city.

By 2002, the alarmed Friends of the Uptown group was calling reporters with stories of falling plaster and pooling rainwater. Some in the group suspected that the endangered theater was being intentionally allowed to rot and soon would be condemned for good (or, their minds, bad). Others were pushing for the city to acquire the building through eminent domain. By the summer of 2008, there had been a court-ordered foreclosure sale and competing bids, leading to Jam Productions taking control of the building through a spinoff company, UTA II, controlled by Mickelson and Granat.

Jam’s winning bid was widely seen at the time as a defensive move to counter the incursions into the city by such rivals as Live Nation and MSG Entertainment. But taking control and reopening were two very different things. The Uptown could not just be reopened to the public: At the time, Jam argued that no restoration would be possible without public money, which was not then forthcoming. And thus, although Jam invested in and stabilized the Uptown, and averted the building’s worst problems, the theater remained on the endangered lists.

Watch the video for Regina Spektor's "Black and White."
A few reporters, documentarians and artists found their way inside. In Chicago’s 2012 Cultural Plan, the Uptown Theatre got a hopeful mention. And in 2017, a music video was made by Regina Spektor inside the ghostly but atmospheric building, revealing to a new, younger generation what was hidden behind the barriers to entry.

But those who have fought for — and reported on — the theater have grown old while the Uptown has languished, its keepers fearing every severe storm.

So what changed? The construction boom in the city has certainly been a factor, as has the revival of urban entertainment venues and the urban economic momentum in general, often coming at the expense of the suburbs.

Farpoint is among the developers looking to capitalize on the nationwide urbanization trend. Its largest initiative is the proposed redevelopment of the 49-acre former Michael Reese Hospital site and other land south of McCormick Place into residential and commercial buildings. The project, called the Burnham Lakefront, was one of five Chicago sites that Amazon visited in March as the e-commerce giant scouted sites for its planned second headquarters.

This isn’t Farpoint’s first foray into cultural development: Goodman recently was involved with an unsuccessful attempt to build a new home for the Northlight Theatre in downtown Evanston. But that was potential new construction with vociferous local opposition. The Uptown is a fulfillment of a neighborhood’s dream.

“This is not unlike asking kids if they want another Christmas, or Chicagoans if they want another World Championship,” said Andy Pierce, the co-founder of the Friends of the Uptown, an organization with a 20-year history of campaigns and agitation, and now with results to show. “You just don’t meet anyone who doesn’t want the Uptown saved.”
http://http://www.chicagotribune.com...629-story.html

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Uptown Theatre will be restored: $75 million plan unveiled for grand palace on North Side
Source: http://www.chicagotribune.com/entert...629-story.html

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After 35 years of stuttering starts, empty promises, a court-ordered sale and oft-reckless neglect, the 4,381-seat, 46,000-square-foot Uptown Theatre — once the gilded crown jewel of the Balaban & Katz theater chain, and among the most opulent and gorgeous movie palaces ever built in America — is finally to be restored to its 1925 glory.

In other words, what long has seemed impossible to dogged, devoted preservationists, nostalgists and the tireless volunteer group known as the Friends of the Uptown is finally happening on Chicago’s North Side. And an eye-popping $75 million has been pieced together and set aside for the restoration of a dangerously decayed and decrepit theater that was boarded up after a J. Geils Band concert on Dec. 19, 1981, leaving aging Chicagoans only with their memories of once seeing Bruce Springsteen, Bob Marley, Prince or the Grateful Dead inside its historic bones.

This is not just another plan for the 4816 N. Broadway flagship of the Uptown neighborhood, insists Mayor Rahm Emanuel. This time it’s for real. Assuming the plan passes the City Council and other regulatory hurdles, the restoration and redevelopment project is slated to begin this fall. Within two years, the boards should be off the windows, the venue open for business and a curious public careening once again down the grand lobby staircase.

...

The new Uptown will be a joint and equal venture between the Chicago-based promoter Jam Productions (which gained ownership of the landmarked Uptown for $3.2 million in 2008) and Farpoint Development. A new partnership entity will be formed.

Relatively new to the Uptown party, Farpoint Development is led by Scott Goodman, who co-founded Sterling Bay and helped build that firm into one of Chicago’s biggest and best-known commercial real estate developers...

...

Goodman said the architect for the project has yet to be selected.

Jam’s specialty is concert promotion, but the plan is for the Uptown to feature a variety of live events.

“Concerts. Comedy. Dance. Special events. A whole multitude of things,” said Arny Granat, the co-founder and co-owner, with Jerry Mickelson, of Jam Productions. “This is a game changer for the city. It’s not just about concerts, it’s about the economic development that now will occur in the Uptown neighborhood”

Granat also said that, for some events, main-floor seats will be removed, allowing for an audience capacity as high as 5,800. Even with all-seated events, the Uptown’s size eclipses all other theaters in the city, including the 3,901-seat Auditorium Theatre and the 3,600-seat Chicago Theatre, both of which are about to experience some formidable new competition.

The mayor’s office said the piecemeal financing for the Uptown Theatre comes from an array of public and private sources: $14 million in financing through the State of Illinois’ Property Assessed Clean Energy Act; $13 million in tax-increment financing; $10 million in Build Illinois bond funding; $8.7 million in federal tax credits; and $3.7 million in the City of Chicago’s Adopt-a-Landmark funds. Jam and Farpoint are kicking in the remaining $26 million in a yet-to-be-determined mix of debt and equity. The restoration scheme also includes $6 million in streetscape improvements to portions of North Broadway, and Lawrence and Wilson avenues and Argyle Street, including a new pedestrian plaza and public stage, located just south of Lawrence and Broadway.

...

By the summer of 2008, there had been a court-ordered foreclosure sale and competing bids, leading to Jam Productions taking control of the building through a spinoff company, UTA II, controlled by Mickelson and Granat.

Jam’s winning bid was widely seen at the time as a defensive move to counter the incursions into the city by such rivals as Live Nation and MSG Entertainment. But taking control and reopening were two very different things. The Uptown could not just be reopened to the public: At the time, Jam argued that no restoration would be possible without public money, which was not then forthcoming. And thus, although Jam invested in and stabilized the Uptown, and averted the building’s worst problems, the theater remained on the endangered lists.

...

So what changed? The construction boom in the city has certainly been a factor, as has the revival of urban entertainment venues and the urban economic momentum in general, often coming at the expense of the suburbs.

...

“You just don’t meet anyone who doesn’t want the Uptown saved.”
Very long article. But very damn good news!!!
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So, about the same as the Congress, wouldn't be surprised if it notches up to closer to 100M when things are all said and done, but this is very good news. Another gem being preserved during this cycle.
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Finally!

Very excited for this news, especially with the financial details already out on display.
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This is genuinely inspiring news in what has got to be one of the most shit months in, well, memory.
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