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Old Posted Mar 18, 2022, 3:34 PM
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Design changes are subtle, but good.

I agree with Sue, this is one spot where reducing the retail space might actually be a good thing.
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I'm a little confused. Are they moving the heritage building up to the street? Where is the parking lot in these renderings?
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I'm a little confused. Are they moving the heritage building up to the street? Where is the parking lot in these renderings?
1) Yes. See here:
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9428219&postcount=137
or p.9 here:
http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%...esign%20Package%20-%20D01-01-20-0018.PDF

2) Parking is underground, with access from the laneway. See here:
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9570736&postcount=139
or p10. here:
http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%...esign%20Package%20-%20D01-01-20-0018.PDF
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2022, 12:58 PM
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Someone on here as suggested the gas station should have been moved to the Ottawa River Parkway linear park and act as a rest station and café. Would have made so much more sense.
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Old Posted May 10, 2022, 9:24 PM
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Heritage vs. housing: Panel hears arguments on heritage-sensitive development proposals

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
May 10, 2022 • 44 minutes ago • 3 minute read


Three development applications considered by a panel of advisors on Tuesday threatened to pit heritage protection against homebuilding, but they didn’t stand in the way of the projects.

Trinity Developments might have finally found the winning blueprint to redevelop the site of a heritage-protected “cottage” service station at the edge of Westboro.

The city’s built-heritage subcommittee fully supported the company’s plan to reposition the old building to squeeze in a nine-storey residential complex at 70 Richmond Rd. at Island Park Drive.

The development prospects on the property have, at times, befuddled interested builders because of the city’s decision to protect the one-storey service station, which was built in 1934.

Council only voted to slap heritage protection on the old Champlain Oil Company building in 2015 to recognize the building’s symbolism of reflecting an era when more people were becoming motorists.

Trinity wants to move the structure to the northeast portion of the site and covert it to commercial space. The company has a little more breathing room for the project after acquiring a property next door on Island Park Drive.

The complex would have 85 apartments and two levels of underground parking.

Advocacy group Heritage Ottawa supports the heritage-protection plan for the project.

Nearby residents are wary.

Paul Forster, representing the Island Park Community Association, said there hasn’t been enough discussion about the project’s impact to the stately road, which is owned by the National Capital Commission.

The Trinity project would introduce a “nine-storey barrier” that would interrupt a sightline down historic Island Park Drive, Forster said.

The built-heritage subcommittee is tasked with only assessing a project’s impact to the city’s historic fabric, not the planning arguments when it comes to density and height of buildings.

The appropriateness of Trinity’s proposed mixed-use development at that site will be a fight for another day. The planning committee will need to consider applications to amend the official plan and zoning bylaw.


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Old Posted May 15, 2022, 1:23 PM
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Someone on this forum once proposed we move this building to the Ottawa River Parkway and make a restaurant/washroom pavilion on the river. That would have been a much better way to preserve the building and give it prominence, on a Parkway built when this gas station was probably teaming with patrons coming off the Parkway a few decades into its existence.

Instead, we're just taking it on to a relatively plain apartment building with nothing tying them together design wise.
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I was googling around to find out about the status of the sibling of the Champlain Gas Station in Montreal, as it's under construction and been purchased for possible redevelopment (it is not listed as a heritage building in Montreal). Here is the Wikipedia page on the one in Champlain, Quebec., which can be found here: Gas Station.

According to the link, there are 3 buildings left of the Champlain Gas Company:
https://memento.heritagemontreal.org/en/site/former-champlain-gas-station/
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Old Posted Jun 7, 2022, 4:08 PM
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I was googling around to find out about the status of the sibling of the Champlain Gas Station in Montreal, as it's under construction and been purchased for possible redevelopment (it is not listed as a heritage building in Montreal). Here is the Wikipedia page on the one in Champlain, Quebec., which can be found here: Gas Station.

According to the link, there are 3 buildings left of the Champlain Gas Company:
https://memento.heritagemontreal.org/en/site/former-champlain-gas-station/
Cool finds, thanks! Didn't realize the design was part of a corporate identity.
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Interesting. It certainly has character. I wonder if in a couple decades people will also want to save modern gas bars as a heritage buildings.

https://goo.gl/maps/99VWGSakRBo2Vj7aA
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Interesting. It certainly has character. I wonder if in a couple decades people will also want to save modern gas bars as a heritage buildings.

https://goo.gl/maps/99VWGSakRBo2Vj7aA
I remember when people in Hintonburg wanted to keep the KFC building and sign because it was retro/ the old way they did their buildings. At the end of the day, it's just a chain company's branding, not for any important architectural reason. We do it still with Tim Horton's, etc.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.4029401,-...0!5s20090401T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Will they want to preserve the '90s McDonalds? Does the roof look familiar?
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Trinity residential project in Westboro, including 'cottage' gas station, secures planning committee approval
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Publishing date:Jun 09, 2022

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...5TN0K5HNKBZ5aEqTC3vkI#Echobox=1654860341

A nine-storey mixed-use residential project at the corner of Richmond Road and Island Park Drive secured planning committee endorsement Thursday, though residents who live along the parkway had unresolved objections to the design of the proposed addition to their neighbourhood.

A major point of contention was the building’s proposed setbacks from Island Park Drive, which its east side will face, and from the residential property to its south.

“When you go down that street and look at that view, it’s going to be building, it’s not going to be this beautiful, wide boulevard,” said the Island Park Community Association’s Paul Forster, who said he’s experienced neighbours in tears over the issue. “I mean they really believe in the street … they’re gobsmacked.”

Kitchissippi ward’s Jeff Leiper, the area councillor, recalled how he and community members suggested early on that owner Trinity Group consider purchasing 376 Island Park Dr., located immediately to the south of the original project property at 70 Richmond Rd. The idea, he said, was to provide more breathing room, a better transition to the residential properties located southward and preservation of the view down Island Park Drive.

“And instead, they came back with additional property and maxed that out,” he said, though he did acknowledge that the original design “was significantly more monolithic.”

Speaking for the applicant, Fotenn design’s Paul Black contended that through the property acquisition, they were in fact able to accomplish a significantly improved transition, and that “the building provides significant enough separation that the views of Island Park Drive will not be ruined, as perhaps has been mentioned, but that the building will represent an urban intensification of the corridor.”

City staff supported the application, concluding in their report to committee that the proposed development “incorporates appropriate built form transition, enhances the public realm and preserves a heritage resource, while providing a mixed-use development.”


Far less controversial, following initial concerns and subsequent changes, was the applicant’s handling of a heritage cottage-style service station on the property that will be relocated and incorporated into the new building. All planning committee members voted in favour of the heritage element of the application, while Leiper was the sole dissenter on the endorsement of the requested zoning and official plan amendments.

The development is planned to include 85 residential units, ground-floor retail and a two-level parking garage underground.

The application is scheduled to rise to council on June 22.
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“When you go down that street and look at that view, it’s going to be building, it’s not going to be this beautiful, wide boulevard,” said the Island Park Community Association’s Paul Forster, who said he’s experienced neighbours in tears over the issue. “I mean they really believe in the street … they’re gobsmacked.”

The level of entitlement needed to get in tears that a abandonned asphalt covered lot on a main street and replace by housing and commercial space will "ruin" your view is beyond me. All the while we are facing a housing crisis.
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The level of entitlement needed to get in tears that a abandonned asphalt covered lot on a main street and replace by housing and commercial space will "ruin" your view is beyond me. All the while we are facing a housing crisis.
That seems to be such a go to argument on this forum. I don't have an opinion on this particular development, but the "housing crisis" is not a good argument to build crap.
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“When you go down that street and look at that view, it’s going to be building, it’s not going to be this beautiful, wide boulevard,” said the Island Park Community Association’s Paul Forster, who said he’s experienced neighbours in tears over the issue. “I mean they really believe in the street … they’re gobsmacked.”

The level of entitlement needed to get in tears that a abandonned asphalt covered lot on a main street and replace by housing and commercial space will "ruin" your view is beyond me. All the while we are facing a housing crisis.

I want a mug of these tears.
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That seems to be such a go to argument on this forum. I don't have an opinion on this particular development, but the "housing crisis" is not a good argument to build crap.
This is also something that's said often on this forum, and I'm not sure why everything that's built should be held to high design standards. Housing people has always involved lots of boring buildings, not everything needs to be iconic. If we're not talking about a special location or an outstanding height, why should every build be expected to be beautiful?
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Site Plan application is in (docs not up yet)
https://devapps.ottawa.ca/en/applications/D07-12-22-0082/details
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This is also something that's said often on this forum, and I'm not sure why everything that's built should be held to high design standards. Housing people has always involved lots of boring buildings, not everything needs to be iconic. If we're not talking about a special location or an outstanding height, why should every build be expected to be beautiful?
It doesn't need to be iconic, but it should at least be attractive and functional. As I said, I am not commenting on this development in particular, but construction shouldn't be a race to the bottom in an attempt to pump out as many commie block apartments as possible. Taking a bit of time to make sure we get it right the first time isn't a bad thing, not to say we should get stuck in analysis paralysis either. There is some middle ground here.
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They ain't exactly great at integrating the historic into the new. That is essentially a big new building beside a small old building.
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