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Old Posted Feb 29, 2020, 7:50 PM
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Do you know how Feb 2020 is compared to Jan 2020?
Up around 30% of more. I’m using numbers from before the end of the month so more sales may come through.

Almost all sales under 2 mil.

Honestly feb 2020 numbers are what people predicted in jan2020. Doesn’t seem like the virus is noticeably slowing things but maybe we will see that in March.

Fraser valley is much hotter than Greater Vancouver so goodluck blaming this spring on foreigners.
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Old Posted Mar 2, 2020, 4:01 AM
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An interesting article on how Chinese have been scapegoated by politicians in Vancouver's real estate crisis:

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In his July 3 commentary in The Tyee, freelance writer Mitchell Anderson summarizes the popular opinions that collectively blame China, Chinese immigrants, and their money for the high price of Vancouver real estate. His summary is noteworthy for not mentioning the domestic factors that have contributed to the region’s housing boom or crisis. This would include a decade of prolonged low interest rates, the surge in bank lending for home buying, the rise of alternative mortgage lenders, the region’s strong economy and job market, restrictive anti-supply policies and practices by the various levels of governments, the shortage of rental-only developments, the intergenerational transfer of wealth, population growth, and record tourism arrivals.

According to Anderson’s one-dimensional explanation, China’s wealthy, together with its criminal elements and corrupt officials have spirited a huge amount of money out of their country into Canada’s housing market. He cites a Bloomberg story about US$800 billion leaving China since 2014 without asking if a large part of that is foreign direct investment (FDI) projects undertaken by the country’s many large companies in various parts of the world.
His suggestion that the bulk of that US$800 billion has gone into buying Metro Vancouver’s C$50 billion (US$38 billion)-a-year housing market is absurd: imagine a garter snake trying to swallow a horse.

Anderson also repeats a widely circulated story that wealthy Chinese migrants evaded paying taxes after arriving in planeloads through Canada’s Business Immigration Program, which ran from 1980 to 2014. The “satellite family” phenomenon is often portrayed as widespread among Chinese immigrants, where the man returns to China to work and pays no taxes to Canada while his wife and children live off welfare in their new homeland. The Canadian media’s obsession with Chinese satellite families pales in comparison with its surprising lack of interest in the far bigger tax evasion problems posed by the country’s corporations and powerful elite.

Anderson, a frequent contributor to The Tyee, completes his negative stereotype of today’s Chinese immigrant with the inevitable reference to money laundering. These days, “money laundering” and “Chinese” have become mutually associated words. Credit goes largely to British Columbia’s Attorney General, David Eby, who has alleged – and yet to substantiate – that Asian immigrant gangs are laundering billions of dollars through Vancouver’s housing market, casinos, luxury goods business, and expensive cars trade.

The impression that Chinese gangs have swamped Vancouver with “mind-blowing” amounts of money has been largely sold to the public through regular sensational news reporting in the Canadian media, often with helpful government leaks and secret police studies. The high point of this campaign is Eby’s recent series of studies on money-laundering undertaken by supposed experts that is looking more like political theatre built on dubious data and speculative assumptions. Just as troubling is that Eby and his chief investigator Peter German seem overly focused on targeting Chinese money, immigrants and criminals as the main villains. As I have noted in the Georgia Straight, the Eby-commissioned studies are preoccupied with real-estate; they fail to address established money-laundering activities in other major sectors of the economy, where the Chinese factor is far less pronounced.

Lynda Steele: Chinese investors force DINK couple to settle for a condo in Vancouver
When you and your partner are a high-powered Dual-Income-No-Kids (DINK) couple who cannot afford one of those C$20 million waterfront mansions, who do you blame for your “housing crisis”?

Global News Radio CKNW host Lynda Steele offers her personal perspective into how the Vancouver housing discussion has become so intertwined with anti-Chinese racism.

“I should be living in a mansion in Shaughnessy, right? Champagne dreams and caviar wishes?” Steele asks half-mockingly. Instead of the high life befitting her celebrity status, she and her partner have to settle for a condo. She blames wealthy Chinese migrants and money-launderers working with greedy developers and incompetent politicians for having priced them out of the mansion.

The most telling but unstated point in her comment is that the “Vancouver housing crisis” story means different things to different people. The homeless and the poor who do not have safe or stable housing at all now have to share that narrative with those who feel they should be owning multi-million-dollar single-family houses in the city.

To support her argument, Steele cites Simon Fraser University (SFU) urban planner Andy Yan’s 2015 study of 172 expensive homes in an affluent section of Vancouver’s west side. Yan was given a set of selected data by Eby, the NDP’s housing critic when the Party was in opposition. Suspiciously, 66% of those homes were bought by people with “non-Anglicized Chinese names.”

The study’s apparently predetermined conclusion had the effect of igniting national outrage with the “evidence” to support the theory that new Chinese immigrants and their capital had taken over Vancouver’s housing market. Reporters have since repeatedly cited that 66% figure with no reference to the tiny sample size of 172 houses.

Yan-Eby study legitimizes Sinophobia with specious data
When Vancouver’s then-mayor, Gregor Robertson, criticized the study’s focus on race, he was rebuffed by influential journalists Douglas Todd of the Vancouver Sun and Ian Young of the South China Morning Post (SCMP). Todd cited experts who said it is not racist to discuss the impact of global capital, regardless of their origin, on local housing costs. But he and the experts neglected to mention that the study’s flawed methodology, data selection, and small sample size had predetermined the conclusion of home ownership by race.

If they had wanted to prove the impact of global capital on Vancouver’s housing prices, the Eby-Yan study was not the smoking gun.

In a bizarre twist, it was Young who underscored the study’s racial tone while trying to defend it from racism charges. In an interview with Maclean’s magazine, he said the study accomplished two things:

“It proves that those buyers are ethnically Chinese. I don’t think that’s disputable. If someone’s got a purely Chinese name, they’re ethnically Chinese. Secondly, I think to an almost irrefutable degree, it proves they have some form of Chinese as a language mother tongue.”

Yan won over popular opinion, and his study remains as influential as ever. In a mushy piece for Maclean’s magazine that included the usual allegations of Chinese complicity and stereotypes, author Terry Glavin hailed Yan as “the analyst who exposed Vancouver’s real estate disaster.” And urban planning expert Sandy James recently praised the Eby-Yan study for proving that the arrival of “a significant group of people” had led to the “commodification of housing as a holding, not a place to live in.”

Judging from Glavin’s coverage and James’ comment, it still has not occurred to Canada’s talking heads that a survey sample of 172 houses taken from more than 42,000 Greater Vancouver homes sold in 2015 is statistically meaningless. Beyond the insignificant data set, even the location was set in order to arrive at Eby’s predetermined conclusion. Eby had focused the data-collection effort on a small section of Vancouver’s west side for its high representation of ethnic Chinese residents. This methodology can also be applied to, say, parts of Surrey and Oak Street to show that people with “non-Anglicized Indian” and “non-Anglicized Jewish” names dominate certain neighbourhoods. What does it prove? Nothing, except that the methodology was likely racially motivated, and that Vancouver neighbourhoods are racially segregated. The Yan-Eby report’s “finding” of a high rate of Chinese home ownership was rigged from the start.
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The China-blamers have won
Instead of inviting skepticism and derision from the public, the media’s lack of objectivity and impartiality has become the new norm in the housing debate, endowing the anti-Chinese narrative of Vancouver’s housing crisis with a kind of “common sense” feel that makes anti-racist interventions more difficult, and all the more necessary

This strikes at the core of Wu’s lament that while “my family and I haven’t contributed to the skyrocketing prices…we’ve been lumped together with all Asian-looking people.”

The harsh reality is the Canadian public is already convinced that foreign capital, especially Chinese, is the source of Metro Vancouver’s housing crisis. The public is not interested to continue with the discussion. The Chinese blamers have won.

Over the past year, this guilt-by-association trend for “Asian-looking people” has extended to their alleged involvement in widespread tax evasion by satellite families, casino money-laundering, and the opioids crisis.

As if these challenges weren’t enough, Chinese Canadians must contend with three emerging major trends that will subject the community to further suspicion and alienation.

Firstly, in line with the United States and Europe, anti-immigration xenophobia and populism are on the rise in Canada. Non-white immigrants will have to contend with increasing “go back to your country” sentiments, especially now that the US President has made it all but officially acceptable. Chinese people will be under pressure to prove their Canadianness.

Secondly, Chinese Canadians, despite their mostly negative sentiments towards Beijing, have the burden of proving they are not China’s proxy.

Thirdly, the public’s conflation of Chinese with China is becoming a public relations nightmare for the community. These days, China’s global image has been tarnished by accounts of human-rights abuses in Xinjiang and Tibet, the riots in Hong Kong and Beijing’s worsening ties with neighboring countries and the West. Canada’s bilateral relations with China are still reeling from Huawei-related security issues and diplomatic disputes.

Wu may not have intended it, but her article speaks to the growing uncertainties for Chinese Canadians amid the challenges brought on by an increasingly strong China, and the emergence of a new and troubling strain of Sinophobia in Canada.

The irony is that British Columbia’s highest-ranking official overseeing the administration of justice and protecting human rights in the province helped legitimise the racialization of Vancouver’s housing problems.
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An interesting article by Vancouver-based Ng Weng Hoong in the Hong Kong Asia Times from August last year on how Chinese have been scapegoated by politicians in Vancouver's real estate crisis:
Cite your sources, and if the article was written six months ago that's relevant too, especially if they're on a topic like money laundering where things have developed since then.
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Old Posted Mar 2, 2020, 4:35 AM
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Cite your sources, and if the article was written six months ago that's relevant too, especially if they're on a topic like money laundering where things have developed since then.
Surely you cannot believe that laundered money has a "big" impact on our real estate market compared to other cities? We do not higher crime rates than other cities (besides bike theft/property crime) so where could all the criminal money being laundered come from? (and no they don't bring huge bags of Yuan bills onto planes to bring here). Almost all the crap spouting doesn't use actual numbers or research, just opinions ontop of racism. Even the below report by the NDP found that BC isn't a "money laundering hub" and this report was then buried and never discussed because it goes against the racist agenda.

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Surely you cannot believe that laundered money has a "big" impact on our real estate market compared to other cities? We do not higher crime rates than other cities (besides bike theft/property crime) so where could all the criminal money being laundered come from? (and no they don't bring huge bags of Yuan bills onto planes to bring here). Almost all the crap spouting doesn't use actual numbers or research, just opinions ontop of racism.
Where did I express any opinion about the content of the article? All I did was request that it's helpful if you say where an opinion came from if you're quoting somebody else. (It's a forum rule, although you ignore it, a lot). It's generally better to link to the original piece and only put a summary or a few paragraphs, not a long extract. If it's not recent, that's also helpful to know. [And now you've added a graphic that is also without any source!]
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Where did I express any opinion about the content of the article? All I did was request that it's helpful if you say where an opinion came from if you're quoting somebody else. It's generally better to link to the original piece and only put a summary or a few paragraphs, not a long extract. If it's not recent, that's also helpful to know. [And now you've added a graphic that is also without any source!]
Oh crap my bad I totally misunderstood you and didn't realize I hadn't posted the link. My bad.

http://thevolcano.org/2019/10/15/sin...aracteristics/

Btw another quote thats great to add:

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While acknowledging the impact of foreign capital, Mr. Pavlov is also worried about the public’s growing tendency and seemingly implacable anger to blame the bulk of the region’s housing problems on foreign buyers.

“Foreign buying has had an impact, but I don’t know if it’s the biggest,” he said in an interview.



“There are clearly a number of forces that work together. It’s very difficult to establish which forces are more powerful.”

He criticized the ‘Dirty Money’ report for being “ridiculous” in exaggerating the impact of laundered casino money.

“It’s such a small amount. This (has) nothing to do with the housing crisis.”

He described Mr. Eby’s attempts to sell a link between Metro Vancouver’s housing problems and Chinese criminal activities as a “politically easy” move that “resonates with voters.”

“You’re not offending anyone who’s involved (in the housing market). You’re only offending people who don’t vote,” he said.



If the trend of blaming foreign demand persists – and if governments keep trying to tax the problem away – Mr. Pavlov foresees negative consequences.

First, he thinks it’ll distract the various levels of government from the urgent task of boosting supply. Critics, including developers, have long maintained they are hobbled by restrictive and onerous government regulations and red tape.

Mr. Pavlov said population growth has outpaced home completions for over 10 years, creating a long-term housing deficit
https://www.onepacificnews.com/2018/...game-part-two/


Graphic comes from this report which the BC NDP commissioned and then buried. They definitely don't like that their analysts don't paint China as the source like they've been pushing.


https://news.gov.bc.ca/files/Combatt...ing_Report.pdf
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Cite your sources, and if the article was written six months ago that's relevant too, especially if they're on a topic like money laundering where things have developed since then.
Hilarious that the author of this piece (and those deluded posters who quote it) accuse Andy Yan of racism.
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As you can guess I find this stupid and ridiculous. No landlord will want to rent to indigenous anymore. $23k!? Seriously!? And of course the landlord doesn't want the tenants burning plants in his home. This cannot seriously be argued to be religious. The 3k punishment for damages makes sense, but the 20k one is just virtue signaling. This is why people hate the human rights tribunal, its staffed by a bunch of human rights warriors who give out ridiculous decisions. I find it hilarious that this went to the human rights tribunal over a rental matter, she obviously knew she'd do better going to them.

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Indigenous woman harassed by South Asian landlord over smudging awarded $23,000 damages

Parminder Mohan accused Crystal Smith of smoking weed at her rental home when in fact the Tsimshian and Haisla Nations woman was burning sage for her smudges.

Smudging is a traditional ceremony of burning sacred plants to cleanse the body and soul.

A B.C. Human Rights Tribunal found that Mohan contravened the human rights code, which prohibits discrimination regarding tenancy because of race, ancestry, place of origin, or religion.

Tribunal member Pamela Murray ordered Mohan to pay Smith more than $23,000 in damages.

The compensation includes $20,000 for injury to dignity, feelings, and self‐respect suffered by Smith, a teacher and holder of a master’s degree.

In her reasons for decision, Murray recalled that during the hearing of the complaint, Mohan testified that “of course” he researched smudging.

However, Murray did not believe the landlord.

According to Murray, Mohan wanted Smith to “minimize the smell and then told her to stop”.

Smith related at the hearing that in a conversation, Mohan told her to “stop smudging to be a good tenant”.

“Smith testified that after this conversation, she was very upset, shaky, and crying, and she then took her children to her mother’s home,” Murray wrote
https://www.straight.com/news/136733...-23000-damages

PS: A shot in the dark here, but if I start a church where we believe pets are companions, can we force all landlords to accept pets?

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As you can guess I find this stupid and ridiculous. No landlord will want to rent to indigenous anymore. $23k!? Seriously!? And of course the landlord doesn't want the tenants burning plants in his home. This cannot seriously be argued to be religious. The 3k punishment for damages makes sense, but the 20k one is just virtue signaling. This is why people hate the human rights tribunal, its staffed by a bunch of human rights warriors who give out ridiculous decisions. I find it hilarious that this went to the human rights tribunal over a rental matter, she obviously knew she'd do better going to them.



https://www.straight.com/news/136733...-23000-damages

PS: A shot in the dark here, but if I start a church where we believe pets are companions, can we force all landlords to accept pets?
I read the article. The landlord sounds like an asshole. You agree with the $3k, so you agree the landlord is in the wrong. How are you then able to determine that $20k is too much?

I'm not religious, but religion is incredibly important to some people.
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I read the article. The landlord sounds like an asshole. You agree with the $3k, so you agree the landlord is in the wrong. How are you then able to determine that $20k is too much?

I'm not religious, but religion is incredibly important to some people.
I'm willing to bet almost everyone would be okay with Buddhists/Hindus/traditional East Asians burning incense. If you're think there's a difference, you should consider your racial biases.
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I read the article. The landlord sounds like an asshole. You agree with the $3k, so you agree the landlord is in the wrong. How are you then able to determine that $20k is too much?

I'm not religious, but religion is incredibly important to some people.
Being an asshole isn't illegal. Being an asshole to someone of a minority ethnicity isn't illegal. Being a bad person or having an argument where someone is upset does not mean you now owe them 20k. Your talking about her gaining 6 months of salary because her feelings were hurt. While I personally support the eviction I do agree that its against the law to evict her the way the landlord did which is why I'm ok with the 3k, thats what I expected and whats legal.

Also we have a rental tenancy court for landlord-tenant disputes. Why is the human rights tribunal hearing a rental tenancy dispute. Its stupid. Another example of our laws being flushed down the toilet. This award is not the law. This lady is playing the system.
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Being an asshole isn't illegal. Being an asshole to someone of a minority ethnicity isn't illegal. Being a bad person or having an argument where someone is upset does not mean you now owe them 20k.
As it turns out, when you infringe upon someone's rights due to their ethnicity, religion, or other protected class it is illegal. Anti-discrimination laws exist for a very good reason. It feels really good being a member of the majority group, doesn't it?
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As it turns out, when you infringe upon someone's rights due to their ethnicity, religion, or other protected class it is illegal. Anti-discrimination laws exist for a very good reason. It feels really good being a member of the majority group, doesn't it?
What makes you think I am?

And rental tenancy disputes shouldn't be heard by the human rights tribunal. We have a court set up for this. Whats the point of having it if we don't use it. Also this does not rise to a 20k infringement. In the end what landlord will rent to an indigenous person now? Think of the precedent this sets where landlords are too scared to be sued while indigenous looking to game the system (because there are bad seeds among every race) look for an opportunity to cash in. We have a rental crisis where each rental has a bunch of people applying, it would not be hard to discriminate by race and make it appear non-bias.

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And rental tenancy disputes shouldn't be heard by the human rights tribunal. We have a court set up for this. Whats the point of having it if we don't use it.
The human rights tribunal is basically a court dedicated to arbitration of this sort of law. We have multiple levels of courts in this country. Not everything needs to go to the supreme court. If someone wants to dispute the human rights tribunal, they can try to elevate to a higher court.
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The human rights tribunal is basically a court dedicated to arbitration of this sort of law. We have multiple levels of courts in this country. Not everything needs to go to the supreme court. If someone wants to dispute the human rights tribunal, they can try to elevate to a higher court.
I agree that not everything needs to go to the Supreme Court. But thats why we have the RTB. Per the below from their website it is the "authority for hearing all disputes". "All" isn't something you can really question, the language is clear that in BC this case should never have gone to the HRT. The tenant went to the HRT because she knew they usually offer sensationalized awards, and the HRT took the case because they always feel they are right and often ignore the law/regulations.

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That's discriminatory!
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What makes you think I am?
I guarantee everyone here is part of some majority group, whether it's straight, physically able, of working age, lack of a pardoned conviction, not a single parent, or any number of other things we take for granted. Discrimination hurts individuals and society, and it comes in many shapes and forms.

This case falls under the Human Rights Tribunal because someone's rights under the Human Rights Code were infringed.
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I guarantee everyone here is part of some majority group, whether it's straight, physically able, of working age, lack of a pardoned conviction, not a single parent, or any number of other things we take for granted. Discrimination hurts individuals and society, and it comes in many shapes and forms.

This case falls under the Human Rights Tribunal because someone's rights under the Human Rights Code were infringed.
Despite the RTB being the court for all landlord tenant disputes and this being a landlord tenant dispute and the human rights tribunal even saying the eviction was illegal rather than focusing solely on any human rights claim?

Honestly its pretty damn clear cut to me what "all" means. If your landlord evicts you because he's racist that's still a landlord-tenant dispute. The human rights tribunal has no jurisdiction to step in to a landlord-tenant dispute.
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Despite the RTB being the court for all landlord tenant disputes and this being a landlord tenant dispute and the human rights tribunal even saying the eviction was illegal rather than focusing solely on any human rights claim?

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Human rights tribunal is making up its own law. I already quoted from the BC provincial website where it states that the RTB has jurisdiction over "all".

This case just went to the HRT and if the speculation tax gets struck down I bet you'll suddenly be agreeing with me.

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Human Rights Tribunal agrees to hear discrimination case launched by self-described 'stay at home mom'
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Detached median time on market is hitting a low in Feb. Likely detached prices will soon increase.


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