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Not quite, on the otherside of winoa, behind the kitchenalia.
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Not quite, on the otherside of winoa, behind the kitchenalia.
Ah ok... you said Winona and Richmond. Winona behind Kitchenalia is this project:

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This project has two tower floors above the podium when I went by today.
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Does anyone have a height for this one?
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Does anyone have a height for this one?
Depends where on the ground floor you start you measurement, but 83.35m on average.

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Making good progress now. @pretty much normal rates now. A floor per week/10 days.
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From the azure updates. “Azure Westboro is unlike any other. With luxury amenities
such as a wine bar and grab 'n' go convenience store, it is a boutique hotel masquerading as
an apartment building.”
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From the azure updates. “Azure Westboro is unlike any other. With luxury amenities
such as a wine bar and grab 'n' go convenience store, it is a boutique hotel masquerading as
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How luxurious a convenience store! Basically be a vending machine when implemented.
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From the azure updates. “Azure Westboro is unlike any other. With luxury amenities
such as a wine bar and grab 'n' go convenience store, it is a boutique hotel masquerading as
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Both welcome amenities for the area.
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How luxurious a convenience store! Basically be a vending machine when implemented.
You jest but my building really misses our tuck shop. The owners drove the guy out by raising his rent 400% IIRC and he either had to accept the new (market) rent or leave in 30 days. The "market" rate they chose was more than storefronts on Carling were asking, yet this was in a residential neighbourhood and the tiny shop had no running water, let alone a washroom.

The new complex owners thought about putting in an Aisle24 'shop' but ended up using the spot for a social room (and added running water to it.) People still tell me how much they miss our tuck shop.

Our old store keeper would sign for parcels (and accept delivery if the item was a gift you didn't want your partner to know about), would pick up grocery orders for our senior residents, and was a beloved member of the community because it was if we had an old fashioned general store.

I agree, convenience store doesn't sound great, but it depends on the person running it whether it is a true amenity or not. We lost a true amenity.
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That's quite disappointing. Common issue of rents being some ridiculously high that the store front remains empty for years, or in this case, converting it to a social room that I bet is mostly left unused. Seems the tuck shop, and the owner in particular, were far more valuable to the building occupants than what is there now.
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You jest but my building really misses our tuck shop. The owners drove the guy out by raising his rent 400% IIRC and he either had to accept the new (market) rent or leave in 30 days. The "market" rate they chose was more than storefronts on Carling were asking, yet this was in a residential neighbourhood and the tiny shop had no running water, let alone a washroom.

The new complex owners thought about putting in an Aisle24 'shop' but ended up using the spot for a social room (and added running water to it.) People still tell me how much they miss our tuck shop.

Our old store keeper would sign for parcels (and accept delivery if the item was a gift you didn't want your partner to know about), would pick up grocery orders for our senior residents, and was a beloved member of the community because it was if we had an old fashioned general store.

I agree, convenience store doesn't sound great, but it depends on the person running it whether it is a true amenity or not. We lost a true amenity.
Man, I'm sorry to hear this story. Seems all too common these days. A home isn't a home but an investment etc. Society is heading in the wrong direction sometimes.

I know a great jeweler around the corner from here. He will fix a broken link or clasp on a gold chain for 25 bucks straight up. I will travel across town for this guy. We need more shops like this that arent out of town absent owners.
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That's quite disappointing. Common issue of rents being some ridiculously high that the store front remains empty for years, or in this case, converting it to a social room that I bet is mostly left unused. Seems the tuck shop, and the owner in particular, were far more valuable to the building occupants than what is there now.
TLDR (and a bit more on topic): It is too hard to make a living as a convenience store in an apartment complex so I bet the store at the Azure will remain empty (or be an Aisle24). The social room conversion at my place is actually used so in general the outcome was best for here. I'm sure the Azure has better communal spaces for their tenants. I just hope they are able to create the sense of community that our complex has so they can make good use of the spaces. Here, our old tuck shop owner was key in developing over the years, something an Aisle24 or chain store will never do.

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To be fair the social room is used. There is a tenants' social group that tried to do things before the pandemic but could only do things in the lobbies (and two of the lobbies weren't well suited to that because people had to walk through the event to get to the elevator.)

Now, the room is used a lot. New tenants that moved in during the pandemic have organized stuff and the social group encourages this. Plus the residents' library the group had set up in the hall has been moved into the social room so there are people in there almost every day. There are weekly and monthly events in it and more starting all the time (hopefully winter covid spikes won't stifle this because it is great to see people using the space.)

BUT the seniors in particular miss the old tuck shop owner because he was so wonderful and catered to them. The younger people don't mind getting deliveries from InstaCart but the seniors note the markup in prices make things cost even more than buying from the tuck shop. And they could buy just a few things at a time.

That said, even with legalization (munchies!), and 1/3 of the tenants being seniors, I don't think a small shop could be profitable. His hours were really limited because it was just him working it. If he had opened longer into the evening, and earlier in the morning, he would have had to pay for staff and there's no way it would work under those conditions.

I used to live in Kars where the family-run general store served the community (which coincidentally had about the same number of households as this apartment complex.) Their profitability came from being the Canada Post outlet (and the draw of gas and cigarettes.) Even so, as their kids grew up and left home, they didn't hire any local teens, instead just worked longer hours because costs had to be kept as low as possible. It is now closed down, the business was for sale for over 10 years but no-one wanted to take it on. Eventually they closed and a gas station/convenience store was opened close to the highway interchange.

When the apartment complex switched to being non-smoking, that would have been the nail on the tuck shop's profits. The existing tenants were grandfathered so there are still smokers here, but I figure the sales from smokes were what kept the tuck shop worth running. Of course, the pandemic would have shut it down. In a way, pushed out or shut by the pandemic, the results would have been the same but at least the owner had a few years of working at something with a steadier income (he went to work for someone else) rather than struggling along and then being forced shut by Covid.
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I know a great jeweler around the corner from here. He will fix a broken link or clasp on a gold chain for 25 bucks straight up. I will travel across town for this guy. We need more shops like this that arent out of town absent owners.
We also need a lot more places for businesses like this to locate and operate, especially since we are losing so many to housing-only redevelopments. Zoning and building codes need to be a lot more flexible, and NIMBYist attitudes need to be crushed.

See also: the systematic destruction of the warehousing industry.
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TLDR (and a bit more on topic): It is too hard to make a living as a convenience store in an apartment complex so I bet the store at the Azure will remain empty (or be an Aisle24). The social room conversion at my place is actually used so in general the outcome was best for here. I'm sure the Azure has better communal spaces for their tenants. I just hope they are able to create the sense of community that our complex has so they can make good use of the spaces. Here, our old tuck shop owner was key in developing over the years, something an Aisle24 or chain store will never do.
Glad to hear the social room is well used. Out of a loss, residents gained something that was needed.
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We also need a lot more places for businesses like this to locate and operate, especially since we are losing so many to housing-only redevelopments. Zoning and building codes need to be a lot more flexible, and NIMBYist attitudes need to be crushed.

See also: the systematic destruction of the warehousing industry.
One of my favorite parts of Thailand is the almost standard 1+5 format or however you wish to call it. The shop owners have the option of living in the same building they work out of while implementing a 5 minute neighborhood, never mind 15.
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