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Old Posted Jan 24, 2020, 4:01 AM
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I wonder if this one will become a defacto daytime homeless shelter like the existing central library. I don't have a problem with the less fortunate who have no place to go using a public space, relaxing and reading, I am just curious that's all. It might be a little far out from the night shelters and the street scene so maybe not?
As you've alluded to, it likely won't be as heavily frequented by the homeless due to its location a little outside the downtown core, far from the services offered to that population.

I suspect that might have been part of the City's reasoning for choosing that location, though they would never admit it.
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I'll give it a 75%. Better than I expected, but not as amazing as I'd hoped. I'm a bit worried about how dark all the limestone will look. I fear that it will be like the convention centre at night... you expect an illuminated glass ball, but you actually see thick dark layers at each floor.

I'm also not crazy about the outdated arched ceiling in the main hall. That's probably my biggest complaint.

Praying they don't cheap out on this one.
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As you've alluded to, it likely won't be as heavily frequented by the homeless due to its location a little outside the downtown core, far from the services offered to that population.

I suspect that might have been part of the City's reasoning for choosing that location, though they would never admit it.
Unfortunately in their efforts to make it homeless-unfriendly they have also made it unfriendly to most of the other current users of the central library.
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Unfortunately in their efforts to make it homeless-unfriendly they have also made it unfriendly to most of the other current users of the central library.
Nobody uses the current library. I too would have preferred something more central. Centretown is actually inconvenient for many. The true entertainment hub is more like the market where yes it truly would be a homeless shelter.
The lack of parking is absolutely going to be an impediment to suburban families which is a shame as it's ideology. Charge for it like the museums. It's fine for an urban family like me and for teenagers and pre-teens who can be dropped off at the closest LRT and go on their own but Joe and Susie from Barhaven aren't going to drive to South Keys park and take two trains to go get read to by an interesting character.

The inside architecture looks great. The meeting rooms are amazing with great views. For small meetings could give the conference centre a run for its money and could be a wedding venue too if they let it.
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if a building isn’t a disaster, how can we be sure it’s in ottawa?

Paul Wells: The city unveiled the design for its new library—and ottawans might actually like it

by paul wells jan 23, 2020




rendering of the ottawa public library and library and archives canada building (opl-lac)

it’s difficult to attend any announcement in ottawa for any building, monument, public enterprise or expression of collective will without feeling a nearly overwhelming sense of foreboding.

I’ve been a defender of ottawa against those who call the country’s capital a dowdy locus of mediocrity, but lately the wreckage has been piling so high it’s hard to ignore.

The new light-rail system is already the official transit network of murphy’s law. The city’s only elegant hotel, a stone’s throw from parliament, hopes to expand by welding a corrugated shipping container onto its ass.

For a minute it seemed possible to be optimistic about the future of the city’s last major central undeveloped district, an open field full of soil contaminants called lebreton flats, but that reclamation project’s success depended on ottawa senators owner eugene melnyk getting along well with others. Unfortunately melnyk is what a cartoon villain would look like if all the actual cartoon villains got together to design a cartoon villain, so that didn’t work out.

Read more: Why ottawa can’t have nice things

so it was with a certain defensive curmudgeonliness that i showed up for the unveiling of the design for the new ottawa library. The event had many of the hallmarks ottawans have come to associate with disaster. Mayor jim watson? Check. A brochette of federal cabinet ministers? Check. A project name so ungainly leonid brezhnev’s politburo would have sent it back for lacking pep? Check. The new building is called the opl-lac joint facility, because of course it is, and also because it represents a collaboration between the ottawa public library and the library and archives canada. What do those two institutions have in common? Creeping desperation and limited resources, mostly. Little else. Both institutions’ old digs had been going quietly to seed, so they decided to chip in together for a new facility. An unprecedented collaboration between a municipal organization and a federal organization without a provincial intermediary, watson told the audience of bytown swells who showed up for the announcement. Wait, was he actually bragging about an innovative combination of jurisdictions? Check.

“you’re going to see, in just a few moments, the ‘wow’ factor,” watson said. This sort of statement is not of a nature to mollify your latter-day ottawan. We’re seeing a fair bit of ‘wow’ lately already, thanks. Wow, the wheels aren’t round. Wow, the thing making that one station smell like poop is poop. Wow, they actually expect people to pay more to sleep in the shipping container.


Fortunately the project architect for the opl-lac jf (opa-lack-juf?) is donald schmitt of toronto’s diamond schmitt architects. Lately schmitt is on a roll in the capital. He designed the expansion of the national arts centre, which has transformed that great institution from a sullen bunker into one of the most welcoming public buildings in the country. The firm also turned the old train station into an elegant “temporary” senate that, this being ottawa, will certainly still be a temporary senate long after i’m dust. And another diamond schmitt architect has designed a warehouse for museum-quality, but freaking huge, science and technology paraphernalia that is more interesting than you’d expect a warehouse to be.

The design schmitt unveiled will not satisfy observers for whom a library should resemble a spaceship or a crystal or some other bold thing. It mostly looks like a library, albeit one whose undulating roof and lowish profile are designed to evoke the nearby ottawa river and the looming gatineau hills. We’ve seen undulation in ottawa before, though, right across the river in douglas cardinal’s canadian museum of history. I wasn’t bowled over.

Then i remembered the hallmarks of schmitt’s style and of the diamond schmitt house ethos, which favours buildings you can use, and want to be in, over iconic exteriors. From the street, their four seasons centre opera house in toronto is a bit zhlubby. But if you’re in it, it’s one of the country’s great see-and-be-seen social spaces. The nac expansion is nice from the outside, but the inside is replete with welcoming, usable spaces, as well as the best views of downtown ottawa in downtown ottawa.


Rendering of the ottawa public library and library and archives canada building (opl-lac)
similarly, schmitt has saved nearly all his visual and, i suspect, emotional impact for those ottawans who will actually go into his building, once it opens at the end of 2024. He spent 2019 running a public consultation process that opened just about every aspect of the building to question and conversation. It’s on a currently unused spit of land between parliament hill and lebreton flats, so schmitt could basically define the space. Using simple, entertaining online questionnaires and a round of open-invitation workshops, he asked potential users how they’d approach the building; what they want to see on their way in; which facilities would matter most to them inside the building; and what they’d want to see of ottawa when they look out its windows.

The results are—well, they’re not spectacular so much as reassuring. A big, warm atrium. Reading rooms with floor-to-ceiling windows. A gathering space on indigenous themes, developed in collaboration with the area’s algonquin population. More than 60 meeting rooms where the old library has only three.

I know schmitt from his work on the nac, and we’ve talked before about a performing-arts centre in nunavut that his firm developed in close consultation with area inuit. He takes consultation seriously, starts it early and lets it guide decisions. The maze of influences and competing interests around the latest project—national archive, municipal library, indigenous past, uncertain future—became the fabric of the project. The result is a building that, at first glance, suggests it will work best when you’re actually in it. Unlike the light rail.

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Old Posted Jan 24, 2020, 1:31 PM
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I've been in the Calgary library and toured around it a couple of times.
I can't agree with anyone saying that it's significantly better than the Ottawa proposed building. Calgary's get major points for being a leader and inspiration for others, sure. The grand atrium in the Ottawa one is every bit as nice as the Calgary one, and I would say even better with the rippling skylight design. The wood and limestone (to be sourced from Ontario, according to the video last night) are every bit as nice as the Calgary building.

I do think it was incredibly lame that the design was all over the news/twitter etc before the "reveal" event last night. I avoided SSP and local internet sites all afternoon yesterday so I could get my 'wow' fix in person.
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I just love the quote that I've bolded here LMAO. So true!

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Paul Wells: The city unveiled the design for its new library—and ottawans might actually like it

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You've summarized my thoughts exactly:

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Can't say I understand why the Halifax Library is categorized as "iconic". Don't get me wrong; it's a handsome building, but it doesn't have that "wow" factor IMO.

The interior and rooftop spaces of Vancouver's are absolutely amazing and it was a great inspiration for libraries that came after it, but the exterior, though quite nice, is unoriginal; it's largely just based on the Roman Coliseum.

Calgary's Library has the most unique architecture. A true icon for the city, but it doesn't seem to interact with its surroundings very well (largely due to its placement over an LRT line, as mentioned earlier).

I'm satisfied with the design of our new library. Not quite as stunning as Calgary's. It won't have the same magnificent public spaces as Vancouver's. It will be a stand-out here in Ottawa. There are a few things that leaves me wanting more. The interaction at street level at Albert (as the Calgary forumer mentioned), the Pimisi entrances is not as grand as I would have hoped (I'd assume it will be the busiest entrance). The arched ceiling in the middle, with the skylights, seems a little outdated (Toronto Eaton Centre-esque). Someone on the Canada Forum pointed out that the "Y" pillars is reminiscent of an airport, and I don't disagree (though it's probably supposed to be "trees"). The wavy ceiling is also very "airport" IMO.

I think it will be a great addition to the city. The site chosen, though not everyone's first choice, is very prominent and will ensure that it stands out on its own merits (while in a CBD location, it would have been lost in a sea of towers).
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Good to see a (mostly) favourable reaction to the design on this board. It's good to have something positive to look forward to architecturally-speaking in this town. When was the last significant public building built in Ottawa? (I'm not counting the NAC reno as it's really just an addition to the existing structure.)

I think it was the Ottawa Convention (Shaw) Centre, so by 2024 when the new library is to open, we'll be overdue. Perhaps by then there will be other construction happening at Lebreton too, and hopefully the Trinity Centre will be rising as well.
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Can't say I understand why the Halifax Library is categorized as "iconic". Don't get me wrong; it's a handsome building, but it doesn't have that "wow" factor IMO.
I agree. The Halifax library is a nice building. The inside is nice, the cantilevered section is cool, and it seems to be well used by the community. But it has a bit of a 80s/90s office building vibe to me with the glass cladding.

If we're going to import something from Halifax to Ottawa, my vote would be the Discovery Centre (https://thediscoverycentre.ca)- best museum I have ever been to. Like the best parts of all the Ottawa museums combined into one.

(The Seaport Market and the Garrison Brewery are nice too )
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Too much wood in the interior, which would probably age at different rates especially where it extends to the exterior. I think this building would sing if the top ceiling and roof soffits were clad in recycled green copper roofing — kind of a reverse inside-out of Parliament Hill. The result of the green would be like sitting underneath a canopy of trees.
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Good to see a (mostly) favourable reaction to the design on this board. It's good to have something positive to look forward to architecturally-speaking in this town. When was the last significant public building built in Ottawa? (I'm not counting the NAC reno as it's really just an addition to the existing structure.)

I think it was the Ottawa Convention (Shaw) Centre, so by 2024 when the new library is to open, we'll be overdue. Perhaps by then there will be other construction happening at Lebreton too, and hopefully the Trinity Centre will be rising as well.
Would you place the expanded Art Gallery in the same category as the NAC addition? Not quite the same scale, but still impactful.
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Too much wood in the interior, which would probably age at different rates especially where it extends to the exterior. I think this building would sing if the top ceiling and roof soffits were clad in recycled green copper roofing — kind of a reverse inside-out of Parliament Hill. The result of the green would be like sitting underneath a canopy of trees.
That would be pretty sharp.
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There are some fairly insane city views/aerials encompassing the new library in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmceZQKDbt0
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Will all of it be wheelchair accessible?
All the way to the Pimisi LRT station?
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There are some fairly insane city views/aerials encompassing the new library in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmceZQKDbt0
TBH aerials are the last thing I'd be looking at. Most people will be seeing it from Albert street level and that's where it's pretty much dead wall all the way. Pretty bad. Especially if you picture 4-lane traffic sewer Albert street is.



Read somewhere a comment that Edmonton should take note on how to design a library. The thing is, it's us who should be looking at them. If we cheap out on roof materials and cladding it will be Edmonton library disaster 2.0.
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TBH aerials are the last thing I'd be looking at.
Or how about just enjoying something for what it is? In this case, nice footage of the city.
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The ceiling inside reminds me of Algonquin College's new DARE building. The library there is on the top floor under a curved wooden roof supported by large, curved glulam beams. It's a nice place inside, though this will be much larger.
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I LOVE this design. I think it actually represents some serious out-of-the-box thinking compared to anything else in Ottawa. I was worried it would be some kind of modern glass box thing that would age terribly (see Shaw). The library will be a great addition to our city, both inside and out!
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