Manitoba Highways

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Make it 6 dead in a week. Two teens were killed in the latest crash... Terrible.

Two more needless deaths of two teens at an intersection that should have had an overpass 40 years ago!

Maybe politicians should be going to the homes of those killed to deliver the terrible news instead of RCMP officers!

[roccerfeller]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Make it 6 dead in a week. Two teens were killed in the latest crash... Terrible.

what's sad is how many people could still be alive today over the years had this intersection been an interchange...like any intersection should be on high speed roads.

it is terribly sad.

[rrskylar]

Article in today's Freep about the intersection and how an interchange was scheduled to be built there in 2007, design was finalized, funding was in place and then "today's" NDP (as they liked to call themselves then) kiboshed the project for reasons only they know!

Residents demand action after deadly highway intersection claims more lives

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/lo...442077203.html

for those who can't get past the paywall here is an excerpt:

It turns out there were plans for an interchange to be built in 2007, but they fell through. At the time, the provincial and federal governments both announced plans to invest in infrastructure in the region.

"It was discussed. There were fairly detailed plans. There was a big announcement and they said they had money set aside, but nothing was ever built," Portage Mayor Irvine Ferris said.

A spokesman for the province confirmed Monday plans for an interchange at the intersection were "announced in 2007, however it was not completed," although he gave no indication as to why.

"Well that’s the question that needs to be answered. What happened?" Ferris said.

Stoplights 'clearly not working'
The speed limit on the highway was also raised to 110 kilometres an hour, up from 100, which Ferris said increases the need for an interchange.

[esquire]

1/16 is becoming an example of the old principle that the perfect is the enemy of the good... instead of waiting for the money to build a super-duper cloverleaf with flyover ramp, the province could have built a simple diamond 30 years ago. It would have eliminated the direct at-grade conflict that has claimed all these lives this month alone, providing at least some degree of safety to drivers.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by esquire

1/16 is becoming an example of the old principle that the perfect is the enemy of the good... instead of waiting for the money to build a super-duper cloverleaf with flyover ramp, the province could have built a simple diamond 30 years ago. It would have eliminated the direct at-grade conflict that has claimed all these lives this month alone, providing at least some degree of safety to drivers.

We've had poor governance by both ruling political parties forever here, the last competent provincial govt. was that of Duff Roblin!

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

We've had poor governance by both ruling political parties forever here, the last competent provincial govt. was that of Duff Roblin!

I was born on Election Day of his last term, June 23rd (think 2/3 cup), 1966.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manito...election,_1966

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by esquire

1/16 is becoming an example of the old principle that the perfect is the enemy of the good... instead of waiting for the money to build a super-duper cloverleaf with flyover ramp, the province could have built a simple diamond 30 years ago. It would have eliminated the direct at-grade conflict that has claimed all these lives this month alone, providing at least some degree of safety to drivers.

All they need is one flyover ramp to get one of the left hand turns to go over everything else. It's a 3 leg intersection. And it would be solved.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

All they need is one flyover ramp to get one of the left hand turns to go over everything else. It's a 3 leg intersection. And it would be solved.

16 ends at the TCH but the road itself carries on to the south as PR 305, so a trumpet interchange wouldn't work there.

Literally a simple diamond modified to include a SB to EB loop ramp would have done the job, and would still be up to the task.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by esquire

1/16 is becoming an example of the old principle that the perfect is the enemy of the good... instead of waiting for the money to build a super-duper cloverleaf with flyover ramp, the province could have built a simple diamond 30 years ago.

It doesn't even need to be as fancy as a simple diamond interchange, an on-demand traffic light would be a huge safety improvement with minimal upfront cost. Yes, traffic lights and high speed routes are bad all around but they are infinitely better than at-grade intersections on high speed routes with only stop signs.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by CoryB

It doesn't even need to be as fancy as a simple diamond interchange, an on-demand traffic light would be a huge safety improvement with minimal upfront cost. Yes, traffic lights and high speed routes are bad all around but they are infinitely better than at-grade intersections on high speed routes with only stop signs.

It has lights right now....

[bomberjet]

Ya, either way. It's the same scenario everywhere. Need 1 bridge to alleviate many issues.

[esquire]

It's strange, from a traffic count perspective it shouldn't be such a treacherous intersection, yet we have all these accidents.

[Bluenote]

Originally Posted by esquire

It's strange, from a traffic count perspective it shouldn't be such a treacherous intersection, yet we have all these accidents.

Drive it and you will understand why it is bad. It's the only stop between Elie and Brandon. It's a 110kmh zone that drops to 80kmh. It's dead straight amd dead flat. Rising amd setting sun are also factors. But the idea of a 110 zone woth lights isn't a good one. Yes it drops to 80. But a lot of people don't slow down. And like the last accident. The trucker ran the red light amd killed two people. The previous one. The person took e left turn in front of a semi with a green lights. So it goes both ways.

[jmt18325]

Just a correction - from the East it's a 100km zone for almost 20 Kms. From the west it's 100 for a shorter distance.

[bomberjet]

Apparently it was due to money being spent on flooding. At least that's the rumours which make perfect sense. Spent hundreds of millions on flood mitigation and it had to come from somewhere.

PTH 59/101 interchange was on a similar timeline and was put on hold at around the same time.

[jmt18325]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Apparently it was due to money being spent on flooding. At least that's the rumours which make perfect sense. Spent hundreds of millions on flood mitigation and it had to come from somewhere.

PTH 59/101 interchange was on a similar timeline and was put on hold at around the same time.

Yeah - highway 3 and 100 also would have been done by now if not for the flood.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

PTH 59/101 interchange was on a similar timeline and was put on hold at around the same time.

PTH59/101 was actually a victim of the 97 "Flood of a Century". That is why the temporary traffic light detour remained in place for 20+ years and took at least one life in a very high profile accident.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Apparently it was due to money being spent on flooding. At least that's the rumours which make perfect sense. Spent hundreds of millions on flood mitigation and it had to come from somewhere.

PTH 59/101 interchange was on a similar timeline and was put on hold at around the same time.

Flood of the century (1997) was a decade before the interchange (1/16) was to be built and four years before the 2011 flood, the interchange should have already been completed by 2011. The real reason the interchange was cancelled was because the money was reallocated for the hairbrained Centreport Roads to nowhere project from the NDP regime, "build it and they might come" which turned out to be more wishful thinking than anything else (once again)!

PS just to be clear I wasn't referring to the PTH 59/101 interchange ^

[Reignman]

Would anyone have any information on it and when the province may finally give some much needed attention to highway 15 between Dugald and Anola? This highway is in horrible shape and hasn't seen work in decades. It also sees it's fair share of traffic ..

[Spocket]

Originally Posted by Reignman

Would anyone have any information on it and when the province may finally give some much needed attention to highway 15 between Dugald and Anola? This highway is in horrible shape and hasn't seen work in decades. It also sees it's fair share of traffic ..

The plan was basically to build a dual carriageway highway out past 206. I have no reason to think that that plan has been cancelled but nobody can ever say in Manitoba. In any case, that's probably why no work has been done on the highway. The province is well aware of the traffic issues and knows that it's only going to get busier with so much growth in Oakbank.