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Old Posted Nov 4, 2019, 5:59 PM
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Which new buildings don't have parking? New Federal buildings are built and owned by the private sector, so they include parking as part of revenue generation anyway. I feel like the amount of parking per square feet has been reduced over the years (we will never see another Place de Ville type mega parking structure), but still provided.

I'm sure the new library parking will generate plenty of revenue as well. Not sure what the maintenance and administration costs are, but at $20 a day, I'm sure it will pay for itself within a few years.

What new library, or any new civic structure, doesn't have parking other than Calgary's new library? In the case of Calgary, it would have been exorbitantly expensive to build parking under an existing, active C-Train line. We don't have that problem.
I guess I should have expressed myself more clearly. Most buildings have parking for sure but the idea that it's something that is guaranteed or reserved for federal employees is inaccurate.

If you work for the feds at Place de Ville or L'Esplanade Laurier or even Place du Portage, unless you are a very senior executive they don't say "here's your parking pass, the fee will come off your pay every month". You're often on your own to find a spot although in some cases if they are nice they may point you in the direction of the people who manage the parking garage.

Of course we are mostly talking about buildings owned by private companies that are leased by the feds.

In the case of the library building it won't be owned privately (AFAIK) and will be a municipal/federal public building.

All of which to say is that those parking spaces probably aren't LAC employee parking. They may not even be monthly and may be for day parking only for Myrtle and Vernon who are coming in from Stittsville to use the library.
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I guess I should have expressed myself more clearly. Most buildings have parking for sure but the idea that it's something that is guaranteed or reserved for federal employees is inaccurate.

If you work for the feds at Place de Ville or L'Esplanade Laurier or even Place du Portage, unless you are a very senior executive they don't say "here's your parking pass, the fee will come off your pay every month". You're often on your own to find a spot although in some cases if they are nice they may point you in the direction of the people who manage the parking garage.

Of course we are mostly talking about buildings owned by private companies that are leased by the feds.

In the case of the library building it won't be owned privately (AFAIK) and will be a municipal/federal public building.

All of which to say is that those parking spaces probably aren't LAC employee parking. They may not even be monthly and may be for day parking only for Myrtle and Vernon who are coming in from Stittsville to use the library.
That clears it up, thank you.

I don't know about the Hill, but buildings downtown usually have a wait-list for parking. In the case of my building (mix of private and government tenants), a certain number of spots can be allocated to a tenant as part of lease negotiations, but most employees have to put their names on the general list if they want a parking spot. Monthly parking is reserved exclusively for employees who work in the building, with a certain amount of parking allocated to anyone at hourly/daily rates.

In the case of Place de Ville, it's a monthly parking wait-list for anyone regardless of place of employment (we park at PdV, but neither work at PdV). Certain sections of the parking are reserved for the hotels. There is also a cordoned off area (half a level of PdV I) reserved for... I don't know...

For the library, I would assume most parking will be at hourly/daily rates. As I understand it, the City is paying 100% of the parking structure, so I would assume none, or very little (maybe just for VIPs), will be reserved for the LAC.
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That clears it up, thank you.

I don't know about the Hill, but buildings downtown usually have a wait-list for parking. In the case of my building (mix of private and government tenants), a certain number of spots can be allocated to a tenant as part of lease negotiations, but most employees have to put their names on the general list if they want a parking spot. Monthly parking is reserved exclusively for employees who work in the building, with a certain amount of parking allocated to anyone at hourly/daily rates.

In the case of Place de Ville, it's a monthly parking wait-list for anyone regardless of place of employment (we park at PdV, but neither work at PdV). Certain sections of the parking are reserved for the hotels. There is also a cordoned off area (half a level of PdV I) reserved for... I don't know...

For the library, I would assume most parking will be at hourly/daily rates. As I understand it, the City is paying 100% of the parking structure, so I would assume none, or very little (maybe just for VIPs), will be reserved for the LAC.
As for "the Hill" area, while I don't think any LAC employees currently park on or near the Hill, which is a 10-15 minute walk away, looking at Google Earth there are some fairly large spaces that seem to be devoted to parking to the northeast of LAC and then going towards the Supreme Court, along the edges of the river. These parking areas are not visible from Wellington St. Again, unsure if these are used by LAC staff, the Supreme Court or some other organization.
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As for "the Hill" area, while I don't think any LAC employees currently park on or near the Hill, which is a 10-15 minute walk away, looking at Google Earth there are some fairly large spaces that seem to be devoted to parking to the northeast of LAC and then going towards the Supreme Court, along the edges of the river. These parking areas are not visible from Wellington St. Again, unsure if these are used by LAC staff, the Supreme Court or some other organization.
Yes, I was using "The Hill" broadly, meaning these lots:

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Yes, I was using "The Hill" broadly, meaning these lots:

Those are the ones I was referring to as well in my subsequent post.

They're some distance away from Parliament Hill, though.

I am also not sure whose parking that is.
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Yes, I was using "The Hill" broadly, meaning these lots:
That's what I had in mind as well. Anything north of Wellington, south of the Ottawa, between Portage and the Canal. It seems that definition isn't quite accurate.

In any case, rules in that general area aren't the same as the CBD.
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Well, if you didn't include for provision for parking, how on earth is Sharon from Barfhaven going to bring her three adorable (read: bratty) children for a Saturday morning library day? Surely you don't expect Karen to bring her minivan to Tunney's pasture and pay for the kids to take the train?

God help you if you take away Jenny's parking at the Library.

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I think this is why the Lyon site that Watson rejected would have made more sense. People could have parked at existing lots/garages in the area or on street and there wouldn't have been a need for dedicated parking.
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Well, if you didn't include for provision for parking, how on earth is Sharon from Barfhaven going to bring her three adorable (read: bratty) children for a Saturday morning library day? Surely you don't expect Karen to bring her minivan to Tunney's pasture and pay for the kids to take the train?

God help you if you take away Jenny's parking at the Library.
It is a city for everyone so the least the city can do is provide parking for the suburbanite who will come once a year. You and your hipster friends can still go to the living library by scooter-share driving on the sidewalk.
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It is a city for everyone so the least the city can do is provide parking for the suburbanite who will come once a year. You and your hipster friends can still go to the living library by scooter-share driving on the sidewalk.
You're totally correct. I was laying on the sarcasm pretty thick. Even I drive to the art gallery for events and park in their ample garage rather than scoot the 4 blocks, especially in inclement weather.
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that parking will eventually be useful for the public once lebreton flats is built, and could also get the street parking off of commissioner street. The city is removing a bunch of parking on albert/slater during the current redesign as well.

I'm not too worried about it. I doubt rush hour commuters are going to be parking there, but if so they should modify rates to prevent that.
selfishly, it will be useful to my guests as visitor parking.
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Well, if you didn't include for provision for parking, how on earth is Sharon from Barfhaven going to bring her three adorable (read: bratty) children for a Saturday morning library day? Surely you don't expect Karen to bring her minivan to Tunney's pasture and pay for the kids to take the train?

God help you if you take away Jenny's parking at the Library.

"HAS NEVER LEFT THE COUNTRY"

Pretty sure that lady has at least been to Syracuse, Disney and either one of Punta Cana or Cayo Coco.
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The consultation process continues this week for the new combined Ottawa Public Library and Library and Archives Canada project:

https://ottawacentrallibrary.ca/introducing-inspire555-series
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Public asked to inspire 'finishing touches on super library planned for LeBreton Flats

Megan Gillis, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: November 19, 2019


The final workshops aimed at engaging the public in the design of the joint Ottawa Public Library and Library and Archives Canada library planned for LeBreton Flats are Tuesday and Wednesday evening.

This time the public will be asked to tackle “iconic features and finishing touches” for the $193-million library. The public is expected to get a peek at the proposed design in January.

Participants will be asked to weigh in on the choices of building materials inside and out and on how it can be an “inclusive destination for all.”

The workshops are Tuesday from 6 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. at the Nepean Sportsplex and Wednesday from 6 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. at Library and Archives Canada, 395 Wellington Street. Visit eventbrite.ca to register.

People who can’t make the meetings can visit Inspire555.ca to share their input.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...super-library-planned-for-lebreton-flats
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Even by Ottawa standards, the survey for the "superlibrary" sham consultation is bad.
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Five good reasons to label this city 'Ottawa the Inept'
Here in Canada's capital, imagination is under house arrest, or worse, confined to a witness protection program.

ANDREW COHEN Updated: November 26, 2019

For years, the argument against the City of Ottawa has been its absence of vision. Imagination is under house arrest here, or worse, confined to a witness protection program.

Rest assured that the city’s leadership – Mayor Jim Watson, the councillors, the bureaucrats – will never threaten you with a new, splashy idea. Relax. You’re safe. Ottawa remains defiantly without originality, creativity or novelty.

This is a city unable to think boldly about itself. That explains its perennial failure in so many ways: To develop the shores of the Ottawa River, carefully, for cyclists, swimmers and small-craft boaters; to make downtown Bank Street more than a varicose vein; to cover the ByWard Market against the cold; to rethink the Sparks Street Mall after decades of deadness.

The harsher critique of Ottawa, however, is not about imagination but ineptitude. The capital of contentment has become the capital of incompetence.

Managing Ottawa has become a political and administrative mess. It is a failure to clear roads smartly in winter and fix them quickly in spring, which is why they feel and look like those of Jakarta. It is a failure to offer good, reliable public transit. It is a failure to preserve beauty and history, where bungalows give way to monstrosities. It is a failure to build new things well.

Here are five prizes for Ottawa the Inept, each beginning with “L,” the cruelest letter in the mayor’s limited alphabet of ambition.

Lansdowne Park. This was a once-in-a-century opportunity to create something unique on 40 acres. It could have featured a botanical garden, a museum, an urban art park by the Rideau Canal. It could have given Ottawa an international cachet the way the Guggenheim Museum has renewed the city of Bilbao in Spain.

But the city cancelled the international design competition. It renovated the football stadium and turned the rest of Lansdowne into a shopping mall. Beyond game days, the place is empty. Businesses are struggling. Congratulations.

The Library. Having decided belatedly that the central library – that grim Brutalist bunker – was inadequate, the city ignored arguments to keep a new one downtown. In fact, Watson dismissed critics contemptuously. When it is finished in LeBreton Flats, the new library will be fine. But because this is Ottawa, it will not be great like those dazzling libraries in Calgary and Copenhagen. Ottawa’s central library will be late, cheap, small – and not central.

Oh, champions of the new library say they’re ahead of their time. They may be right in 30 years. Congratulations.

The LRT. Most new urban transit systems are delayed and fitful. For now, though, our LRT is a maelstrom of mistakes by staff and council. Why, ones asks, has no one been fired?

The operational flaws in the system will be addressed eventually. What won’t imminently is where the train goes, when the second phase will open, and how effectively it will then serve the suburbs and the airport, too.

Meanwhile, OC Transpo charges among the highest single fares in North America. Its buses are uncomfortable and undependable. Congratulations.

Château Laurier. We ask government to protect the public interest. Ottawa has failed here miserably, too. Council didn’t know what it was doing and nor did staff when this carbuncle on the grand dame addition was initially approved. A mayor with a spine and a council with a vision would have said no to the château’s tone-deaf owners. The city could have refused them. It didn’t. Congratulations.

LeBreton Flats. It isn’t the city’s fault that RendezVous LeBreton had no rendezvous with destiny, but it isn’t surprising. This is the way things are in a dysfunctional capital. The new plan for LeBreton Flats, unveiled recently by Tobi Nussbaum and the NCC, is promising. But as always, it will be years before anything happens. Congratulations.

In other places, there would have been a penalty for this order of malpractice. In Ottawa, a city fiercely committed to mediocrity, no one seems to care.

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/column...sons-to-label-this-city-ottawa-the-inept
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When it is finished in LeBreton Flats, the new library will be fine. But because this is Ottawa, it will not be great like those dazzling libraries in Calgary and Copenhagen. Ottawa’s central library will be late, cheap, small – and not central.
Well to be fair, it will feature one of the largest underground library parking garages in the world.
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Well to be fair, it will feature one of the largest underground library parking garages in the world.
Consuming half the project budget.
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Well to be fair, it will feature one of the largest underground library parking garages in the world.
And just a few feet from an LRT Transit Station!
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