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The US doesn't have anywhere near the social net Canada has and the UK doesn't have the vastness of Canada. Neither have the immigration figure. Both have bigger (and in the case of the US, far bigger) militaries.

It's really hard to compare.

The Public Service needs a major rebuild, but that's aspect that hasn't particularly impressed me under Carney so far. Seems to be a classic slash and burn Conservative approach.
The federal portion of social safety net is 2-3 branches at 2-3 departments. The vastness of Canada is part of DFO and part of NRCan (and maybe part of Parks Canada). Overall a relatively small portion of 350k public servants.
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The Public Service needs a major rebuild, but that's aspect that hasn't particularly impressed me under Carney so far. Seems to be a classic slash and burn Conservative approach.
It's hard to tell but I think his thought is slash and burn and rebuild more nimble and using AI and other tools. An insanely generous early retirement benefit will see all but the most motivated over 50s leave. Buyouts usually see the best people leave but that works on seniority so still doesn't let as many very young leave.

Will it work is a different question. We can blame a resistant bureacracy but his loft plans seem to be again only controlled by what is in Canada an undersized PMO.
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The federal portion of social safety net is 2-3 branches at 2-3 departments. The vastness of Canada is part of DFO and part of NRCan (and maybe part of Parks Canada). Overall a relatively small portion of 350k public servants.
There's also far more regulations protecting people from private businesses in Canada. It's hard to quantify everything, but the gap probably isn't as wide as we think. But yes, there are certainly ways to reduce the public service without impacting (or even improving) services to Canadians.

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It's hard to tell but I think his thought is slash and burn and rebuild more nimble and using AI and other tools. An insanely generous early retirement benefit will see all but the most motivated over 50s leave. Buyouts usually see the best people leave but that works on seniority so still doesn't let as many very young leave.

Will it work is a different question. We can blame a resistant bureacracy but his loft plans seem to be again only controlled by what is in Canada an undersized PMO.
As with other aspects of the Carney Government, I was skeptical of some things that seem to have improved (his policies on the environment for example), so I hope that the rebuilding of the public service is also one of those cases.
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It's hard to tell but I think his thought is slash and burn and rebuild more nimble and using AI and other tools. An insanely generous early retirement benefit will see all but the most motivated over 50s leave. Buyouts usually see the best people leave but that works on seniority so still doesn't let as many very young leave.

Will it work is a different question. We can blame a resistant bureacracy but his loft plans seem to be again only controlled by what is in Canada an undersized PMO.
To me the focus on AI is needlessly complicated. Trudeau added 100,000 public servants, but nobody inside or outside the public service thinks results improved much (if at all) during that time. Seems like an obvious place to start.
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Shared Services Canada ditches desk 'hoteling' for Ottawa-Gatineau employees in response to four-day return-to-office
New "neighbourhood model" in the National Capital Region will see department group teams together, shut down co-working locations and bring back assigned workstations.

By Ben Andrews, Ottawa Citizen
Published Apr 21, 2026 | Last updated 54 minutes ago


The federal government’s IT services department is moving away from desk “hoteling” in response to the four-day return-to-office mandate for public servants, according to an internal email obtained by the Ottawa Citizen.

In an email to staff on Monday, April 20, an executive with Shared Services Canada said the department is implementing a “neighbourhood model” in the National Capital Region that will group teams and directorates into specific areas within buildings, shut down satellite co-working locations and assign workers to stations while retaining some shared desks.

“The neighbourhood model will give us the chance to work more closely together while supporting consistent and efficient ways of working,” read the email, which was signed by assistant deputy minister Jacquie Manchevsky.

The new model is set to kick in on Sept. 8, about two months after the July 6 cutoff when most public servants are required to return to the office four days per week (up from three days). Executives are back on-site full time (up from four days a week) as of May 4.

As part of the changes at Shared Services Canada, the department’s operations and client services branch will scrap the use of Archibus, a software program for booking workstations.

The shift away from bookable shared workspaces — or hoteling — reverses an approach the government set in motion long before workers were sent home during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Under the current hybrid work model, desk hoteling is widespread in government office buildings.

According to an Ottawa Citizen analysis of government data, at least 50 per cent of staff at nearly 40 departments and agencies in the core public administration did not have an assigned workspace in 2024.

Shared Services Canada ranked near the top, with 92 per cent of staff going without an assigned desk that year.

Last December, when rumours started swirling of a pending return-to-office mandate, some observers said they expected the rate of desk hoteling to drop if workers were brought back to the office full-time.

At least for Shared Services, that prediction appears to be coming true — much to the chagrin of many in the rank-and-file. IT professionals have been among the most vocal opponents of federal return-to-office mandates, arguing their jobs are easily done from home with no affect on productivity.

“I recognize that workplace transitions like this can bring a mix of emotions, and I want to thank you for your patience and understanding as these changes take shape,” Manchevsky wrote in the email to staff.

The internal announcement came shortly after Public Services and Procurement Canada, the federal government’s property manager, acknowledged that the government may be forced to acquire additional office space to accommodate employees on site four days each week, reversing a previous commitment to cutting the government’s building portfolio by half over a decade.

More than 1,000 workers at Shared Services have recently been told their jobs are at risk of being cut as part of the government’s ongoing efforts to slash thousands of public service jobs over the next several years.

Shared Services Canada did not provide comment by deadline.

https://ottawacitizen.com/public-service/desk-hoteling-shared-services-canada-return-to-office
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It's hard to tell but I think his thought is slash and burn and rebuild more nimble and using AI and other tools. An insanely generous early retirement benefit will see all but the most motivated over 50s leave. Buyouts usually see the best people leave but that works on seniority so still doesn't let as many very young leave.

Will it work is a different question. We can blame a resistant bureacracy but his loft plans seem to be again only controlled by what is in Canada an undersized PMO.
The Early Retirement Incentive window has been open for about a month and so far, fewer than 5,000 people have applied out of 68,000ish eligible employees. Assuming the majority of those who are keen on it have already applied, looks like the uptake will be significantly below the initial estimate of 25%.

Due to the Treasury Board criteria, the incentive is a workforce adjustment exercise dressed up as an attrition/workforce renewal exercise. It's not a free for all and early indications are that many applicants will be denied.
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To me the focus on AI is needlessly complicated. Trudeau added 100,000 public servants, but nobody inside or outside the public service thinks results improved much (if at all) during that time. Seems like an obvious place to start.
Depends on what results means. Most public servants don't provide service to Canadians so we have a skewede idea of what improved means. Trudeau added a huge number of programs. There is a reason ESDC and IRCC doubled and departments without a mandate change didn't much. Meanwhile all departments have increased policy coordination on climate and GBA+/equity issues. Now more and more they all need to consider trade policy and security issues. I am not saying they can't cut. But they need to stop doing some things. We might agree on what that is but the government isn't changing priorities other than cutting the carbon tax which makes a few hundred people redundant. Dental Program still there and increasingly complex. Child Benefit still there and going to more and more people who are new Canadians or lived in Canada part of the year so more complicated. Etc etc.
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To me the focus on AI is needlessly complicated. Trudeau added 100,000 public servants, but nobody inside or outside the public service thinks results improved much (if at all) during that time. Seems like an obvious place to start.
Trudeau overcorrected from Harper. The PS was understaffed during the Harper era. But also, there's definitely room with AI to cut and automate a lot of internal bureaucracy. I wouldn't say cut 100k. But there's probably some number in the middle they can absolutely get too. Especially if you look at which government departments really grew under Trudeau.
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Depends on what results means. Most public servants don't provide service to Canadians so we have a skewede idea of what improved means. Trudeau added a huge number of programs. There is a reason ESDC and IRCC doubled and departments without a mandate change didn't much. Meanwhile all departments have increased policy coordination on climate and GBA+/equity issues. Now more and more they all need to consider trade policy and security issues. I am not saying they can't cut. But they need to stop doing some things. We might agree on what that is but the government isn't changing priorities other than cutting the carbon tax which makes a few hundred people redundant. Dental Program still there and increasingly complex. Child Benefit still there and going to more and more people who are new Canadians or lived in Canada part of the year so more complicated. Etc etc.
The programs which cut cheques are relatively easy to deliver. And only need some client facing employees. It's not like every person using the dental plan calls in daily. What drove massive growth was policy work, as you point out. And despite your constant harping on it. It wasn't GBA+ or DEI. I don't recall the last time I even did something with GBA+. It's a tack on page at the end of some high level departmental reports. I would say things like environmental regulations are far more burdensome. Those can drive years of work.
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The programs which cut cheques are relatively easy to deliver. And only need some client facing employees. It's not like every person using the dental plan calls in daily. What drove massive growth was policy work, as you point out. And despite your constant harping on it. It wasn't GBA+ or DEI. I don't recall the last time I even did something with GBA+. It's a tack on page at the end of some high level departmental reports. I would say things like environmental regulations are far more burdensome. Those can drive years of work.
Well when you give 10 million people a program the even once a year calls and things to sort out start to add up. There are frequent custody issues, people moving in and out of Canada etc. and you need policies for every contingency and then implement them. I understand CCB is over 1000 people for example. Carbon tax was a few hundred. Where is rural. When did you move there etc.

I wasn't suggesting the equity agenda even more broadly to include reconcilation (cross-cutting not the department itself) and even environmental reviews were the bulk of the expansion but they do multiply work and are a piece of juicy fat to cut.
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One department returning to assigned desks.
Not surprised. It never made sense for people to be in some office somewhere just to meet in office minimums. It does make sense for people to be in the office with their teams.
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Not surprised. It never made sense for people to be in some office somewhere just to meet in office minimums. It does make sense for people to be in the office with their teams.
Fully agree. And bringing back assigned desks is a small win.
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Honestly, given the shit show at the Carling Campus, I wouldn't expect much from RTO4. Realistically, there's a normalization of deviance developing at places like that. Get to work and can't find parking? Drive home and call in. And unless your boss hates you doing it, behaviour like that is not being reported up . The same thing will happen if/when they bungle the sharing of desks.
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I wasn't suggesting the equity agenda even more broadly to include reconcilation (cross-cutting not the department itself) and even environmental reviews were the bulk of the expansion but they do multiply work and are a piece of juicy fat to cut.
I'm still agreeing with your broader rebuttal that the bulk of excess Civil Service isn't DEI but it's not nothing either:

https://x.com/EvanLSolomon/status/2046668162326761872?s=20

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I'm still agreeing with your broader rebuttal that the bulk of excess Civil Service isn't DEI but it's not nothing either:

https://x.com/EvanLSolomon/status/2046668162326761872?s=20
Not sure what this proves.
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Not sure what this proves.
DEI is still a distraction for this government.

How much they are distracted by excessive environmentalism and placating of Indigenous grifting is still TBD.

Over spending has shifted from Civil Service to Defence.

The Cons have lots of their own flaws but at some point those of us who swung from Harper to Trudeau to Polievre and back to Carney will need to consider our choices. It doesn't look like it's anytime soon but it's a thin majority.
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DEI is still a distraction for this government.

How much they are distracted by excessive environmentalism and placating of Indigenous grifting is still TBD.

Over spending has shifted from Civil Service to Defence.

The Cons have lots of their own flaws but at some point those of us who swung from Harper to Trudeau to Polievre and back to Carney will need to consider our choices. It doesn't look like it's anytime soon but it's a thin majority.
I would love for you to actually define "DEI", "excessive" and overspending in actual concrete terms and how it increases actual government workload. Your post sounds like if conservapedia met ChatGPT.
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I would love for you to actually define "DEI", "excessive" and overspending in actual concrete terms and how it increases actual government workload. Your post sounds like if conservapedia met ChatGPT.
I mean the original link is a pretty clear example. We have a pretty small federal government AI team. While the organization was given a very modest Million dollar grant it's emblematic of the distraction.

We have feminsm as a core part of our budgeting and foreign policy. They must be adressed in every decision. Is it the bulk or even 5% of the workload? No it's a few hundred jobs across the public service but it does require policy coordination by many beyond those whose direct job title has an equity or feminist role.

Overspending is very marginally related to Equity (other than perhaps "reconciliation"). The point is it's another change we expected with our Conservative lite government. You might be happy defence spending means we are continuing with exploding budgets but economically it's not much better than other government spending.
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