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Old Posted Mar 26, 2019, 11:49 PM
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Unfortunately, most of the low income developments are outside of the rapid transit network. Rapid transit is for middle class suburban commuters and for future luxury condo dwellers. Land next to the Confederation Line will be too valuable for the poor.
is this meant to be low income housing? I thought it was to be a significant upgrade from what was there before.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2019, 12:04 AM
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You made some big assumptions there.
Even without any of those assumptions, there is plenty of capacity to increase the frequency of the 44, 46, and 291 (side note: 291 should really be called 244). Minor transit priority measures and use of the SE Transitway put Herongate quite close to downtown.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2019, 12:06 AM
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is this meant to be low income housing? I thought it was to be a significant upgrade from what was there before.
I'm sure rent will still be fairly cheap. I also think they committed to 20% affordable housing.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2019, 4:28 AM
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I'm sure rent will still be fairly cheap. I also think they committed to 20% affordable housing.
Other than the 20% affordable housing, rent will not be cheap. Rent on newly built places is always expensive no matter where they are. Look at those new apartments next to the 174 in Gloucester... the one bedrooms go for $1500 to $2000. In friggen Gloucester. On top of that, new rental buildings that open after November 2018 are not subject to rent control anymore thanks to Dougie, so moving into a new apartment means you have zero protection from potentially massive rent hikes.

That said, even these expensive new buildings still improve rental affordability in the long run, because they attract tenants away from existing rentals, helping to raise the vacancy rate and thus reduce price growth in those buildings.
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Old Posted May 29, 2019, 5:24 AM
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Old Posted May 29, 2019, 1:09 PM
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With an extension of the Baseline BRT (in some form) I feel like it'd be fine. It would feed well in to the Confederation Line at Huffman or the Trillium Line at Mooney's. The Alta Vista transit corridor wouldn't be too far either, and neither would a bank street subway..
Heron gate is a stone's throw from Walkley Station (which...is to be a train station? or is it a train station now? I used to live there and went to walkley every day. Perfect for a short collector bus loop following the hub and spoke model.

I'm at the Trainyards now, and its actually quite simple to take a collector bus to Hurdman station, a 5 minute ride, with frequent service. I see no difference here.

EDIT: Also, lol, I forgot to mention that Heron is actually also close to Heron... but Confederation Station is a big slog down the hill, so I'd sooner go to Walkley
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Old Posted May 29, 2019, 6:20 PM
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The Trillium line passes at Walkley but there currently isn't a station there. The plan is to build one as part of Phase-2 (adding Walkley & Gladstone stations and extending to Airport/South).

If this entire plan comes to life, they will need to add a lot more busses up and down Walkley to connect to the transitway and LRT.
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2019, 2:56 PM
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Been noticing very little activity here the last few weeks. Any ideas why it's taking so long to install the balcony glass and finish the exterior trim around the edges of the buildings?
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2019, 3:09 PM
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Been noticing very little activity here the last few weeks. Any ideas why it's taking so long to install the balcony glass and finish the exterior trim around the edges of the buildings?
Aren't there strikes affecting the industry right now?
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2019, 10:58 PM
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An article from the CBC about the redevelopment proposal: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/timbercreek-heron-gate-secondary-plan-1.5198976

It has this diagram that highlights the number of floors each building would have.


I gotta say, a 40-storey building still isn't the kind of thing I'd expect to be built in Herongate.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2019, 1:04 PM
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lol, they just know that the neighbourhood will protest, and they'll actually then get approved for the 20 storey buildings they actually want to build, instead of proposing the 20 storey buildings that will be reduced to 12 storeys.

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An article from the CBC about the redevelopment proposal: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/timbercreek-heron-gate-secondary-plan-1.5198976

It has this diagram that highlights the number of floors each building would have.


I gotta say, a 40-storey building still isn't the kind of thing I'd expect to be built in Herongate.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2019, 5:13 PM
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Timbercreek unveils 'blueprint' for Heron Gate, adding 5 million square feet

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: July 10, 2019




The developer of Ottawa’s Heron Gate has plans that could quadruple the neighbourhood’s population, adding five million square feet in 55 new buildings to the property, including townhouses, 16 low- and medium-rise buildings and a central highrise that could soar 40 storeys.

The proposal from Timbercreek envisions a 20- to 25-year plan for its 20-hectare property near the intersection of Walkley and Heron Roads, where it controversially evicted residents and demolished more than 230 aging townhouse in what critics labelled a “hyper-gentrification.”

Timbercreek’s vice-president of real estate investment management, Paul Popovici, cautioned the proposal, which was submitted to the city in April, is still in the very early stages.

“This is a blueprint for the next 25 years-plus over how this community is going to develop,” Popovici said in a phone interview from Toronto.

“We’re really excited about it. It’s a way of seeing a long-term vision for the community. We are long-term community builders. We’re not developers who buy today and sell tomorrow.”

In total, the complex would have 5,600 units, a mix of rental and condos, some with up to four bedrooms. It’s a lot of people to put in an area that will still be more than 1.5 kilometres away from Walkley Station on the city’s planned Trillium South LRT line. But Popovici says he’s not worried.

“In terms of the transit that’s there now, it’s certainly sufficient to cover what’s going to come in the next three, five or 10 years,” he said. “And as transit expands, so will this community.”

Alta Vista ward Coun. Jean Cloutier has his own concerns about the development, including the density, the height of the towers and the “social contract” to provide affordable housing and the park space and recreational facilities that will make it “a vibrant, safe and inviting place for all the residents to live.”

Timbercreek has assured that up to 20 per cent of the units will be considered “affordable housing,” he said.

“We are still very early in the process,” Cloutier said. “This will not be coming to committee or council until spring of 2020.”

At least seven community meetings have been held on the development since 2017 and Cloutier says he’s committed to holding more in the fall. Timbercreek has been very responsive to input, he said, but Cloutier does have some concerns about the proposal, including the height of the towers.

“It is for a lot an awful lot of density on that triangular piece of property,” he said. “For those people who attended these meetings, it’s not a huge surprise. But let me just state, 40 (storeys) is pretty high for that area.

“We have some work to do.”



Popovici stressed that the high tower is still just a concept and a long way from getting city approval.

“Don’t get hung up on the 40-storey number. We’re still very early in the process,” he said.

“But one of the benefits of height is it gives you room on the ground to have the amenities that people enjoy: Like parks, like playgrounds, like paths. That’s one of the benefits of having height instead of the sort of urban sprawl that’s been so unsuccessful in other American cities.”

Heron Gate is the largest housing project to date for Timbercreek, which manages more than 23,000 residential units across Canada. The company has taken steps to soothe its relationships with the community, announcing in February that there would be no more demolitions of occupied units and that anyone displaced will be offered a new home in one of the company’s new builds in the community.

And while the tall, high-density proposal for Heron Gate has worried some critics, who liken it to communities like Toronto’s troubled St. James Town, the comparison isn’t fair, Popovici said.

“St. James was developed 40 or 50 years ago. There’s been a lot of lessons learned from those towers that were surrounded by nothing.,” he said. The biggest difference is that Timbercreek is in for the long haul, he said.

“It’s in our own interest to make sure that the community thrives and that its healthy and vibrant because we want to be here 30 years from now.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/timbercreek-unveils-blue-print-for-heron-gate
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2019, 4:17 PM
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Timbercreek is calling these apartments "Vista Local".



link: https://vistalocal.com/
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2019, 4:39 PM
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I dream of an infill/upfill like this for 1500 Merivale/1366 Baseline someday. It really irks me how many windswept weed collecting lots we have inside the greenbelt, while the sprawl ever expands.
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2019, 6:43 PM
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I wonder what retail (if any) will take that corner spot on Heron (or maybe is that the lobby/entrance).

Also wondering what will be the rates. These are new builds and Herongate itself (with the new stores and Rexall, Goodlife) are nice & shiny, but the rest of the neighborhood (until gets redeveloped as per their master plan) still leaves to be desired...
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http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%...0Heights%20Plan%20-%20D01-01-19-0010.PDF

Nothing above 25 storeys is planned anymore. I just wish they could keep a setback from Walkley to allow the future construction of a median transitway and bike lanes like planned on Baseline, which might be warranted if all these towers get built.

Timbercreek just renamed themselves "Hazelview Properties". I guess they're trying to run away from their poor reputation following the evictions and the neglect of their properties.
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http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Image%...0Heights%20Plan%20-%20D01-01-19-0010.PDF

Nothing above 25 storeys is planned anymore. I just wish they could keep a setback from Walkley to allow the future construction of a median transitway and bike lanes like planned on Baseline, which might be warranted if all these towers get built.

Timbercreek just renamed themselves "Hazelview Properties". I guess they're trying to run away from their poor reputation following the evictions and the neglect of their properties.
Where did you find this?

*Edit - I also don't understand why all the density is being shifted to Walkley, when the BRT is planned for Heron... weird.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2020, 5:57 AM
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Where did you find this?

*Edit - I also don't understand why all the density is being shifted to Walkley, when the BRT is planned for Heron... weird.
Here you go. See "2020-02-13 - Proposed Heights Plan -".
http://ottwatch.ca/devapps/D01-01-19-0010

Is there still any plan for a transitway between Billings Bridge and Elmvale ? I haven't heard of that one since the 2013 transportation master plan. I think it would makes more sense to build one on Walkley with all the low income housing around Heatherington and the planned redevelopment of the empty area east of the drive test.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2020, 6:15 AM
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Is there still any plan for a transitway between Billings Bridge and Elmvale ? I haven't heard of that one since the 2013 transportation master plan. I think it would makes more sense to build one on Walkley with all the low income housing around Heatherington and the planned redevelopment of the empty area east of the drive test.
I think its still in the long-range plans, but its not a priority. Depending on how fast Heron Gate is built, it may get bumped up the priority list... who knows.

If I were planning the BRT I would follow the route of the 46 for the most part - have it run on Heron Road until Baycrest Drive, then down Baycrest Drive to Walkley, and from there east until Russell. The Baycrest section wouldn't be traditional BRT per say, but I would close the section of Baycrest between Cedarwood and Sandalwood to general traffic (transit+cycling+peds only) and provide dedicated transit left-turn lanes at Baycrest / Heron and Baycrest / Walkley.
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This is a year old picture of their Vista Local apartments, https://www.vistalocal.com/



Anyone have a picture of the final product?
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