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Old Posted Sep 13, 2018, 8:21 PM
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Minor update on Sutton Place.

There been a lot of utility work ongoing along St. Mary over the last week or two. Stretching from the site westward to Kennedy St or so.

Looks like Hydro is in there putting in conduits and cables.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2018, 8:33 PM
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Ooh. Chop. I've been there once and it was alright.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2018, 8:34 PM
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Surprised they're using a different construction company.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2018, 9:41 PM
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Surprised they're using a different construction company.
Keeping in mind that technically this is being built by northland properties and not true north
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Minor update on Sutton Place.

There been a lot of utility work ongoing along St. Mary over the last week or two. Stretching from the site westward to Kennedy St or so.

Looks like Hydro is in there putting in conduits and cables.
MB Hydro has been doing a lot of work downtown removing the old WPG Hydro legacy Paper Insulated Lead Covered cables and replacing them with new plastic covered ones. The old lead ones have a tendency to fault as the insulating oil in the paper leaks out at joints and the cables catch fire and explode

Unlike Toronto, downtown Winnipeg has been lucky that we have not had major outages downtown due to PLIC shorts.

From what I have read on the hydro asset condition reports some of the downtown duct lines are either too small for new cable to be pulled or the really old ducts have been crushed or shifted so they have to be dug up for the new cable to go in. Where possible they now want to install cable that can carry a higher voltage for future expansion.
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Does this possibly have to do with why now that all the Exchange bike lane construction has wrapped up, now 2 days later they’ve now ripped up a bunch of road and sidewalk for repairs near manholes?



On TNS - the city has now announced that EPC has approved waiving the clause that would make TNS have affordable units, as well as Grant it another $2m in TIF. I’m all for supporting TNS and agree the spinoff of some tax investment to get the $500m private investment is good... but all these announcements coming now at the end of construction seems fishy. $7m i was on bored for, but now a combined $21m. That’s a lot.
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Does this possibly have to do with why now that all the Exchange bike lane construction has wrapped up, now 2 days later they’ve now ripped up a bunch of road and sidewalk for repairs near manholes?


The city and utilities have been good over the last few years for coordinating work while the areas are closed. It could be bad concrete if the sections being ripped up were new work.

If the concrete test sample taken during the pour did not pass the 28 day cured strength test the area that was poured will be taken out and and replaced.
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Is anyone else concerned the Sutton Place Hotel project may not be built to the same standards as True North Square?
Personally, I am getting the feeling that "Top Hotel Builders" will be building another styrofoam Alt Hotel.
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^ Was the Chop location previously announced?

And who is "Top Hotel Builders" anyway? A Google search doesn't yield much... it sounds like this company was possibly created for the purpose of building this project?
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Likely the construction arm of Northland Properties. You wouldn't likely hear of them because they probably only build/renovate Sutton and Sandman hotels. They have said they will be Project Managing this project on their own - meaning they will hire all the required subtrades.
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^ Was the Chop location previously announced?

And who is "Top Hotel Builders" anyway? A Google search doesn't yield much... it sounds like this company was possibly created for the purpose of building this project?
Yeah chop was announced last summer when they confirmed that the hotel was going ahead
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Top Hotel builders have had ads on Indeed.com looking for trades here in Winnipeg.
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Public funding for True North Square rises to $45 million
By: Dan Lett | Posted: 09/14/2018 7:00 PM

Total taxpayer support for True North Square has ballooned to more than $45 million — $20 million more than original estimates — to support the construction of luxury condominium and apartment towers. It could increase even more depending on the future value of the two properties.

City and provincial officials confirmed that although there are a number of components that drove up the total public funding, the largest contribution was the decision to rebate property taxes through the city-provincial tax-increment financing program (TIF) for a residential apartment tower at 225 Carlton St., a project being led by True North Real Estate Development, and a 130-unit luxury condominium tower at 220 Carlton St., which is beside the proposed Sutton Place Hotel, which are both being developed by Northland Properties.

Despite the fact that both levels of government had agreed to expand the scope of TIF support, details of how much additional money would flow to developers appear to have been concealed from public view.

Some details of the additional tax rebates were included in a report tabled Sept. 12 at the city's executive policy committee, where the expanded TIF scope was approved. That report included an estimate for the tax rebates for the two towers of $17.2 million, split evenly by the province and city.

The report indicated that the city had agreed to provide an additional $3.5 million for work on the public plaza and surrounding streets and skywalks. When you include the $25 million originally approved for TNS, total public support now tops $45 million.

However, details about the total cost of taxpayer support were conspicuously absent from a Sept. 10 news release from Municipal Relations Minister Jeff Wharton. Despite including the details in the appendix of its Sept. 12 report, the city did not issue a news release acknowledging that the scope and extent of taxpayer support have increased substantially.

Wharton's news release described total provincial support at $11.95 million. It did mention a decision to support the apartment and condominium towers, but did not identify a cost despite the fact that estimates existed.

Interviews with city and provincial officials suggested that $17.2 million figure was not highlighted in news releases because it is an estimate and not a firm number.

Both levels of government said the additional money was needed to ensure that the full scope of the True North Square project, including the Sutton Place hotel and condo tower, went ahead as planned.

A spokeswoman for Wharton said in a written statement that the additional TIF support was necessary "to leverage private investment, particularly investment from the Sutton Place ownership (Northlands) for a hotel." She also suggested that the former NDP government "made a commitment" to Northlands that it would provide TIF support for the hotel development if it went ahead.

The spokeswoman said Northlands did not threaten to pull out of the Winnipeg development if it did not get tax rebates but "the TIF was a significant part of their decision making."

Jim Ludlow, president of True North Real Estate Development, said in a written statement that TIF support helped Winnipeg secure private investment in TNS. "The Canadian development landscape is highly competitive and programs like these provide opportunities for cities like Winnipeg to continue to compete and attract outside investment capital."

Mayor Brian Bowman said Friday that when city hall agreed to cover one-third of the plaza cost back in March 2017, the province had not yet agreed to put in any funds. He said that city officials knew then that TIF agreements with the province have involved a 50-50 split of cost-sharing, so the province’s request this week for the city to up its share was not unexpected.

"We knew, obviously it was a possibility if the province came on board," Bowman said, adding he felt no pressure from the Pallister government for city hall to amend its original contribution.

Bowman continued to defend the TIF contributions to the True North Square project as a sound investment for taxpayers.

"It’s a good project for Winnipeg," Bowman said. "It will pay significant tax dividends for taxpayers when the TIF Funding is exhausted."

Public funding for True North Square (TNS) is provided through two sources, both cost-shared by the city and province.

Some of the money comes from the Sports Hospitality and Entertainment District (SHED) program, which was earmarked for street-level enhancements surrounding new development in a 10-block area of downtown. Additional money is now flowing from the provincial-city Tax Increment Financing program, where property taxes on new developments are rebated to developers either as an up-front grant or incrementally over a period of 10 years.

Originally, the city and province agreed to provide $25-million support from the SHED program to cover costs associated with a public plaza and improvements to surrounding streets and other public spaces including additions to the skywalk system. However, on Sept. 10, with a deadline looming for final approval at the last city council meeting before civic elections, the province and city jointly agreed to significantly expand the scope of TIF funding.

The province highlighted its growing interest in expanding the scope of tax rebates in letters to the city that started in late spring. However, the province only formally informed the city about its intention to expand the scope of TIF support in a Sept. 10 message from Jan Forster, the deputy minister of municipal relations, sent to Winnipeg CAO Doug McNeil.

In that letter, obtained by the Free Press, Forster indicates she is writing "to convey Manitoba's interest in furthering the unprecedented partnership between the Province, the City of Winnipeg and the private investors on True North Square development, including the Northlands elements."

The total value of the rebates offered for 220 and 225 Carlton will not be known until the TIF agreement runs out in 20 years.

City and provincial officials confirmed that under the terms of the expanded TIF support, the property owners will be allowed to collect and keep all provincial and municipal property taxes generated by the site over the 20 year term. This is typically done with projects when TIF rebates are paid out incrementally over a longer term.

However, the province also agreed to remove the requirement for 10 per cent of the units in the residential towers to be available at affordable market rents. That had been a requirement for previous TIF support to residential developments.

— with files from Aldo Santin

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The LED lights in the plaza are visible here, it's too bad Winnipegers wont have a chance to experience TNS before the P&M vote, they could see what a great beautiful space can be, three years ago this was a vast barren parking lot, with investment and vision a dreary lifeless intersection can become anything we want it to be.

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Considering all the subsidies this project is receiving I would say risk to the investors is minimal which doesn't exactly keep with the spirit of capitalism.
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Considering all the subsidies this project is receiving I would say risk to the investors is minimal which doesn't exactly keep with the spirit of capitalism.
It's obscene any way you look at it.....
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