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Originally Posted by PhillyPDX
Obviously Seattle has Amazon and its contractors. That's all Belltown is, and why the area is booming. And now Belltown is so big it meshes seamlessly with proper "downtown" Seattle so it makes Seattle downtown seem to be thriving (I'm assuming proper downtown there is hurting, like most downtowns).
A big issue (re: downtown) and not one that likely will ever change is Portland's BIG companies are in Beaverton/Hillboro in Nike/Intel. And Intel isn't even technically HQ there. So as far as the dowtown goes there is no HQ spinoff/connection to major high revenue international companies. As big as Intel is, in my 6 years here I've only met 1 person living in NE Portland that works there. Kind of crazy given how big Intel is, but anecdotally that shows the connection between Portland (downtown) and Intel.
Portland only has 1 Fortune 500 company (Nike). Precision Castparts would be were it not owned by Buffet now. Intel is so big here you could throw them in the mix. So call it 3, in effect. That's not a lot of large anchor corporations that bring money in to the region. Seattle has 10, 11 if you want to count Boeing same as Intel. Those firms, and a few are huge, bring in lots of people and money, directly and indirectly. There is likely a direction relationship between those firms and the seemingly endless growth in Seattle.
And then in addition Seattle has UW, one of the major research players in the entire world. My friend lives in Capitol Hill and takes the new subway line directly to UW where he works (in research). With that new rail line he gets to campus in 10 minutes, so he now adds to population growth closer into to downtown (he wouldn't be there absent that train line). UW did almost $2 billion in direct research alone last year, even before you consider startups from that research, and before you consider it's a school with 50,000 students and all the job requirements for teaching/supporting that. Juggernaut that also helps to sustain Seattle in a big way. Portland has nothing remotely comparable to that.
Apologize, I'm not trying to turn into a Portland vs Seattle thread, just laying out facts to encourage conversation to see what Portland can do moving forward.
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Amazon is more in the Denny Triangle, not in Belltown as I remember, and that area as well as south Lake Union - where the Gates Foundation (to add to your list) is located as well as denizens of others. It has exploded.
Portland has never been as vibrant as Seattle. It has always had a different vibe. I went to UW and worked at Microsoft ( a long time ago) but even then Seattle was much larger and much more exciting. Much more touristy etc...
To say Portland is dying is way off the mark. Downtown is suffering, but so is downtown Seattle. We are just on a different scale. I live in NW and it's pretty vibrant for our size. So are other areas of town.
When I lived in Seattle it was crazy fun and so many artists, just at the crest of the grunge movement. That's all changed. Even Kurt Cobain said he was sorry for Seattle.
My friends say that the authenticity has been sucked out of Seattle. It's super corporate now and that is cool if that is what folks like.
I have close friends who live in the central district and they tore down a neighboring house and built a horrific building with units pushing a mil. They can't wait to leave. The transit lines are lined with slipshod expensive apartment buildings.
Portland has arguably a better food scene and a much more accessible creative scene - not to the level of Seattle - but pretty impressive. In my opinion, it's a friendlier town and I think that's a good thing
Again, it's a tough time - bad leadership, etc... but I feel it's coming back and the initiatives and plans recently laid out are pretty impressive. I think Portland will be a much better city in the future than it has been in the past. We'll never be Seattle but who wants that - and if you do, it's not far and if you live out of the center a bit it's more affordable.