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I'm fully on Team "Get rid of the desks". Boom solves the problem and the benches are a much better look for Parliament. We could also move to a semi-circular style like Austrialia. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-bfokBUIAESDr_.jpg
The desks are really mostly used by MP's to hide that they are playing on their phones these days anyways.
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Re-jig the electoral district borders as needed, but keep the number of MPs. What does it matter if they represent 100,000 or 200,000?

What they should have done was build a permanent new House of Commons in the West Block and a permanent new Senate in the East Block. that would accomadate the growing number of representatives. The Centre Block Houses could have been preserved for visitors and/or ceremonial purposes.
I'd do the exact opposite: after the "temporary" House chamber in West Block is no longer needed because the 1920 chamber has been restored in Centre, keep the now-former temporary West Block space for ceremonial/state use.

Never in a million years should the East Block courtyard be sacrificed - it's a wonderful space if you ever get a chance to.
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I'd do the exact opposite: after the "temporary" House chamber in West Block is no longer needed because the 1920 chamber has been restored in Centre, keep the now-former temporary West Block space for ceremonial/state use.

Never in a million years should the East Block courtyard be sacrificed - it's a wonderful space if you ever get a chance to.
I read somewhere that it was their plan to build a temporary Senate in the East Block courtyard. They opted to build it in the old rail station instead. Though that complicates the ceremonial aspects of Parliament, it was probably a better move in the long run.

Never had the chance to see the East Block courtyard, but I hope I'll have a chance one day.
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Also, if anyone hasn't yet toured the new West Block and the underground visitor's centre, it's well worth it.
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No Parliament Hill stage this year on Canada Day, organizers say

By: OBJ staff
Published: Feb 27, 2020 4:24pm EST




The focal point of Ottawa’s Canada Day celebrations will be moved off Parliament Hill this year amid the escalating renovation work to Centre Block.

There will be no stage for performances on Parliament Hill this July 1, Canadian Heritage confirmed to OBJ in a statement Thursday. Instead, a venue will be set up in the nearby Major’s Hill Park with programming throughout the day.

Spokesperson Amélie Desmarais said Canadian Heritage and Public Services and Procurement Canada are working to ensure that tourists and Ottawa residents will still be able to visit Parliament Hill throughout the day.

The full lineup of performers and celebrations slated for Canada Day 2020 will be unveiled in the spring, Desmarais said.

Ottawa tourism officials have long known that disruptions to traditional draws such as Canada Day celebrations would be unavoidable amid the decade-plus of work needed to renovate and revitalize the iconic Centre Block structure. Some have suggested a large tarp featuring the facade of the Peace Tower would help to mitigate the impact on vistors’ interest.

Centre Block officially closed for construction just over a year ago. Members of Parliament received an update on the massive renovation project earlier this week, where they heard that the first year largely revolved around assessing the work and updates required to the heritage structure.

http://www.obj.ca/article/no-parliament-hill-stage-year-canada-day-organizers-say
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Parliament Hill is getting the reno of the century - and some MPs say they're being kept in the dark
For starters, they want to know what's going to happen to the lawn

Karina Roman, Chris Rands · CBC News
Posted: Mar 07, 2020 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 4 hours ago




MPs are being asked to make some important choices about the decade-long renovation of the Centre Block of Parliament Hill — choices that could have a significant impact on the House of Commons and how Canadians experience the nation's capital.

But experts with knowledge of the project say MPs are not getting all the information they need to make those calls — and it's still not clear who has the power to make final decisions that could reshape the most iconic piece of public real estate in Canada.

The project to restore and modernize Centre Block — which includes the House of Commons and Senate chambers, the Library of Parliament, offices for MPs and party leaders and the Peace Tower — is underway and will unfold over the next 10 years.

The project aims to upgrade the buildings' seismic resilience, systems and security, and to make them more energy-efficient and accessible, all while preserving their heritage.

"On a contemporary basis, I don't think there is a more important construction project that's happening in the country," said Liberal MP and Chief Government Whip Mark Holland. "It's a place where the theatre of our democracy has played out over the last 100 years.

"We're making a decision now for the next 100 years. So it's an incredibly important decision."

But while the project has been in the works for years, MPs are only now starting to see what the final product could look like. They have a lot of questions — and some fear they're not being shown the whole picture.

"So far, I have not been impressed by the level of information that's been available," said NDP House Leader Peter Julian. He's a member of the powerful Board of Internal Economy (BOIE), one of the committees that received a presentation on the renovation plans at the end of February.

"The only way to ensure we're not spending money on frills or a Cadillac version of the Centre Block renovation is to make sure that there's full disclosure ... as we make these decisions."
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The project's cost and the potential for overruns have come up at both the Procedure and House Affairs committee (PROC) and the BOIE. The completed renovations to West Block, which included the temporary House of Commons, came in at $863 million — a good indication that the much larger Centre Block project is likely to go well over $1 billion.

Among the options MPs have been shown are some ways to expand the House of Commons chamber. It's estimated that in 50 years, population growth could boost the number of MPs from the current 338 to 460.

There's already a space crunch. Most MPs are used to sitting two-by-two in assigned seats with desks to hold their personal computers. Before the temporary move to the West Block last year, more desks were fitted into the Centre Block chamber by using theatre-style flip-up seats.

If the chamber's size is not expanded, one possibility is for MPs to sit on long benches as MPs do in Westminster in London.

Two of the three options for a new chamber would result in an expanded building footprint, altering the symmetry between the two houses of Parliament. The most ambitious option calls for the removal of the western exterior wall of Centre Block and a much wider Commons chamber.



While many MPs are balking at such a drastic change, they still would like to know what it might cost. But no estimates were attached to documents presented to the committee.

MPs were given three options for a new subterranean visitor welcome centre as well — also without price tags.

"One thing that is clearly lacking ... is the mention of costs," Conservative MP Blake Richards told Public Services Minister Anita Anand at the Feb. 27 meeting of PROC.

By the end of that meeting, department officials agreed to provide cost estimates for each option within a month.

How the changes could affect the lawn

Experts with close knowledge of the project are also worried that MPs are not being presented the full range of design options — and will be forced to make decisions based on incomplete information.

"That is a concern. They need a fulsome picture," said one source who was not authorized to speak publicly about the project.

Since the opening of the renovated West Block, visitors arrive in an underground welcome centre where they go through security screening. The Centre Block renovation will include a new visitor centre that will provide an underground link between the West, East and Centre Blocks.



Each visitor centre option being presented to MPs includes a central entrance near the north end of the main lawn in front of the Peace Tower — a popular gathering spot for protesters, yoga fans and Canada Day partygoers.

One plan pushes the entrance south into the lawn. Others place it next to, or integrate it into, the historic Vaux Wall that separates the lawn from the upper drive in front of Centre Block.

Two of the options feature east and west entrances to separate parliamentarians from the public — but every option includes a centre entrance. Multiple sources tell CBC that both the Advisory Committee on Design and Planning and Realty of the National Capital Commission and the Federal Heritage Building Review Organization at Parks Canada have raised concerns about a central entrance interfering with public access to the main lawn.

But those concerns were missing from the presentation MPs saw.

"That central space must be kept free for that purpose," one source told CBC News. "A central entrance is problematic. It eats into the space itself and if you've got people queuing, and there's security, there will be no room for gathering."



"MPs might not realize, especially if they aren't given the information, that the lawn as we know it could become unusable," said another expert with direct knowledge of the approvals process, who also is not authorized to speak publicly.

Critics have recommended east and west entrances and no centre entrance. But none of that input has been presented to MPs so far.

That troubles Julian. "The Centre Block lawn is, in a very real sense, the living room of Canadian democracy," he said. "That access needs to be preserved."

Conservative MP Eric Duncan, a member of PROC, wonders whether other information was left out of the presentation.

"Members should be given both sides of the coin," he said. "Yes, you might have a recommendation, but it's important to bring the pros and the cons and feedback. That should be an important part of the conversation."

According to a spokesperson for Anand, the presentation given to PROC was intended as a "preliminary step."

"The options presented are not exclusive, and were intended to frame the scope and nature of decisions needing to be made and the timelines involved," said press secretary Cecely Roy in an email.

Holland, who also sits on the BOIE, said the options the department offers don't always consider all the input from stakeholders.

"That's the most important role we play as parliamentarians ... to pull open that process and make sure those voices are heard and that other options are forced onto the table," he said.



But who will end up making those decisions? The PROC, BOIE, the Senate, the Library of Parliament and the advisory committees have all been tasked with some element of approval or input. It's not clear who has ultimate oversight — not even to the minister, apparently, who simply outlined how approval would not be done.

"Decisions affecting the home of our democracy cannot be made unilaterally or by one single person," Anand told PROC on Feb. 27.

Roy said the decisions need to involve all parliamentary partners.

"Each body housed in Centre Block has the responsibility to determine what its governance and decision making structure will look like in order to represent their members in this rehabilitation project. We are open to consideration of changes to the current governance model that may provide for more integrated decision making," she told CBC News.

"We're talking about this now when the project has already started, after Centre Block's been closed, after preliminary work is started," Duncan said. "I would have thought this conversation would have happened years ago."

In the meantime, Duncan said, there are too many chefs in the kitchen — which could lead to delays and cost overruns.

MPs from different parties appear to agree that the goal of the renovation project should be to preserve a priceless piece of Canadian heritage — not to create something completely new.

"It's already about as perfect a piece of heritage and architecture as you could have," said Holland.

Meanwhile, the Senate's wish list — 10 televised committee rooms as close to Centre Block as possible, as well as a multipurpose room in the underground welcome centre — is being viewed by many MPs as too much and too costly — especially given that senators are not elected.

Julian said he hopes that the minority Parliament can come to a consensus.

"What we've found with majority Parliaments is that's when projects get run off the rails," he said. "In a minority Parliament it's a much different situation ... More voices are listened to."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/centre-block-renovations-options-1.5487627
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"It's estimated that in 50 years, population growth could boost the number of MPs from the current 338 to 460."
Do we really need so many? Don't we have too many already?
Sure these are good sinecures for those who occupy them,
but what are they worth to the taxpayers?
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I don't understand why the new entrance for the underground visitors centre can't be the entrance for the enlarged space in the future as well. why on earth would they add an entrance to the centre of the lawn!?
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I don't understand why the new entrance for the underground visitors centre can't be the entrance for the enlarged space in the future as well. why on earth would they add an entrance to the centre of the lawn!?
I think the secrecy around the project and some of the odd decisions are really a facade. It wouldn’t surprise me if they are really just building a massive bunker below the visitor centre and expanded MP/Senators space. There have been some interesting posts, construction pictures on twitter from local historian, Andrew King on this topic.
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I think the secrecy around the project and some of the odd decisions are really a facade. It wouldn’t surprise me if they are really just building a massive bunker below the visitor centre and expanded MP/Senators space. There have been some interesting posts, construction pictures on twitter from local historian, Andrew King on this topic.
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Plan for large underground complex in Centre Block outlined to MPs

By Jolson Lim, iPolitics
Published on May 14, 2019 6:54pm




The ongoing rehabilitation of Centre Block and its adjacent grounds will include a large visitors’ centre and a potentially expanded House chamber with underground committee rooms, MPs heard Tuesday.

Officials from Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) and the House of Commons briefed the standing committee on procedure and house affairs on what it envisions for turning the three Parliament buildings into an “integrated campus.”

While many planning decisions are to be subject to Parliament’s approval, a concern raised by MPs, the main parliamentary buildings are set to be connected by tunnels and a subterranean visitor and welcome centre located in front of Centre Block.

Parliament Hill’s front lawn will also be cut in half after this summer for a decade to accommodate space needed for excavation and construction. Fencing is expected to go up after Labour Day this year, and Centre Block will be handed over to PSPC from Parliament for work around then.

Officials highlighted the need for a central entry point to the Parliament Buildings for guests.

“The requirement of having security screening outside the footprint of the buildings is a fundamental objective of the long-term vision and plan,” said Rob Wright, assistant deputy minister for the Parliamentary Precinct at the Department of Public Works and Government Services.

As planning is underway for the visitors’ centre, the walls, floors and ceilings of Centre Block are also being opened up in order to determine the condition of the building, a task the government was never able to fully do while it was in use.

Planners are attempting to define what will be needed for it to function as a modern legislature and popular attraction while also maintaining its century-old architecture.

The project will be a herculean task expected to take roughly a decade to complete and involve billions of dollars.

The officials today stressed a need for extra space in Centre Block to accommodate the addition of new stairwells, central heating and cooling and IT infrastructure, as well as more washrooms.



Wright said West Block renovations required 14 times as much space for such servicing compared to its prior design.

He said this begs the question of where to find additional spaces to accommodate new and necessary features without affecting the building’s heritage.

“Those decisions will be fundamentally critical over time,” he said. “This is the beginning of a conversation. One of the potential opportunities is to leverage the courtyards.”

Wright emphasized that constructing the visitors’ centre, which has been proposed for decades, could add additional floor space that could offset lost space in Centre Block.



A PowerPoint presented noted a total of 34 committee rooms are required to support Parliament’s operations, up from 29 currently in operation. They raised the potential idea of locating new rooms underground in the visitors’ centre, as well as behind Centre Block in “pavilions.”

As well, the planners are anticipating more space will be needed for the House chamber as the number of MPs could grow to more than 400 with increases in Canada’s population. This may result in expanding the size of the chamber and its lobbies and considering new furniture.

But MPs on the committee were taken aback by the visitors’ centre proposal, and wondered what approvals it will receive from Parliament.

“I would like to see nothing happen, even if it means missing a building season, with regard to the visitor and welcome centre … until you have the consent of the House,” said Conservative MP Scott Reid, who also expressed concerns over the potential cost of a large underground complex.



MPs also stressed that with an election coming up, parliamentarians may not be able to have oversight on key construction decisions between June and the end of 2019.

Jennifer Garrett, director general of the Centre Block program at Public Works, told MPs that it’s their hope to have a schematic design for the visitors’ centre ready by March 2020, with excavations to begin in the winter of that year. Targeted demolition and abatement in Centre Block is also set to begin around November.

NDP MP David Christopherson also asked for the tabling of a list of key decisions that have to be made around Centre Block’s rehabilitation and the timing around those decisions.

“It’s still a little bit nebulous who is making the final call,” he said.

An underground train to replace shuttles that escort MPs to and from different buildings in the Parliamentary Precinct, as well as benches in an increasingly crowded House chamber, were also raised as ideas to consider during the committee.

There is currently a train to shuffle members of Congress at the Capitol in Washington, D.C., while benches are used in the United Kingdom’s 650-seat House.

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/05/14/plan-for-large-underground-complex-in-centre-block-outlined-to-mps/
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Determining Commons chamber size a crucial next step in Centre Block rehab, officials say

By Jolson Lim, iPolitics
Published on Feb 18, 2020 5:15pm




Government officials say work is progressing well on renovations to Centre Block but feedback from parliamentarians is needed before planners can hammer out specific design details and major construction can start.

In question are what exactly to do with the House of Commons chamber, which may need space to hold 460 MPs by the year 2060 based on House of Commons estimates on the growth of members in line with the country’s population growth, as well as a planned subterranean Visitor Welcome Centre at the foot of Centre Block that will connect all three buildings on Parliament Hill.

Officials from Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) and the House of Commons administration briefed MPs on the Procedure and House Affairs committee on Tuesday regarding the latest developments in the construction project set to last at least a decade.

“The program remains on track and several key milestones have been accomplished,” said Jennifer Garrett, director general of the Centre Block program based at PSPC.

Garrett said efforts to assess the 93-year-old building for structural condition, heritage assets, and space for new electrical and digital wiring are finished, enabling demolition and abatement on several floors of Centre Block and excavation of the location of the Visitor Welcome Centre.

But planners are asking Parliamentarians for input on specific design details for the size and scope of the Commons chamber and Visitor Welcome Centre.



“We are now at the point that the input of parliamentarians is critical to support key decisions in order to finalize the schematic design and determine a substantive cost, scope and schedule,” she said.

Officials on Tuesday provided MPs illustrations of three different concepts for the Commons chamber, which suggest different design elements will conflict with each other.

Susan Kulba, director general of real property at the House of Commons, said the concepts “emphasize the tension between space, functionality, accessibility and heritage.”

The most conservative option entails retaining the existing footprint of the Commons chamber that would not impact the building’s façade, while adding additional lobby space on a second floor. Doing so could accommodate 420 MPs in a tighter seating arrangement, while efforts to improve accessibility would also reduce gallery seating to 305 spots.

A second option would expand the footprint to accommodate a larger single-floor lobby that would extend the Chamber footprint outside of the current Centre Block structure but retain its interior makeup.

The most radical option is to effectively build a new, larger chamber with more lobby space. That would mean major implications to Centre Block’s heritage and symmetrical character, with the chamber having to extend past the structure’s west wall. This option would be the most expensive.

This plan would also allow MPs to stick to the current use of paired desks, while allowing for seating for up to 544 MPs using other arrangements.

A decision on the Commons chamber is set to be made this winter or spring, while a final schematic design for the project is set for fall 2020.

Garrett said what to do with the Commons chamber within Centre Block’s physical and heritage constraints will be the most challenging choice in the rehabilitation project.

“These types of heritage buildings always prove technically challenging to modernize, and the House of Commons chamber will be the most challenging decision that the project faces,” she said.

Meanwhile, options for the Visitor Welcome Centre include a smaller design that would enhance security screening but limit new space for administrators and parliamentary business.

Larger options would allow for more space for visitor services and House of Commons and Senate functions. Separate entrances for MPs, Senators and visitors via the visitor centre are also proposed, although different points of entry may reduce Parliament Hill’s lawn space.



Building planners say the new centre will allow for better regulation of the flow of visitors entering and exiting Parliament Hill, something that will improve security.

Other issues include whether to reduce courtyard space in order to boost space needed for parliamentary functions and the number of committee rooms needed. Block 2, the set of buildings across Wellington Street from Parliament Hill, is also set for a makeover.

Garrett said the assessment program for the rehabilitation project has been the “most comprehensive undertaking” on the parliamentary precinct to date.

She said thousands of surveys, inspections and tests have been completed to understand the building’s mechanical and electrical systems, material substances, masonry and roof. More than 20,000 heritage assets have also been recorded, including chandeliers, frescos and floor boards.

Garrett said while steel used in Centre Block was in better condition than expected, they discovered limited space above ceilings and between walls to run modern IT and electrical systems.

“Although this is a significant technical challenge, we will take innovative approaches to implement this type of infrastructure into the building,” she said.

https://ipolitics.ca/2020/02/18/determin...tep-in-centre-block-rehab-officials-say/
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No cost estimates yet on massive Centre Block reno; lawn will survive

By Tim Naumetz, iPolitics
Published on Feb 25, 2020 4:26pm




The massive renovation and reconstruction of Parliament Hill’s Centre Block is in such early stages that the senior Public Works official overseeing the historic work was unable Tuesday to provide MPs with even an estimate of its expected cost.

And, judging from a comment assistant deputy minister Rob Wright made during an hour’s briefing at the Procedure and House Affairs Committee, the project is likely to take longer than any of the timelines that have circulated in Hill speculation.

“This will see out several Parliaments, this project,” Wright said at one point under a blizzard of questions from MPs from all four recognized parties.

Wright played down his remark after the meeting, in conversation with a reporter who noted federal election law sets a cycle of four years for each Parliament.

“Well, probably not this one,” Wright joked.

As well, despite the work and planning that has taken place so far, Wright encountered Conservative dissatisfaction when he informed the committee no cost estimates are yet available for the project.

That hinges on how soon Parliament, both the House of Commons and the Senate, develop their own wishes for a vision of the 100-year-building and their needs.

Wright used the example of plans for a vast visitor welcome centre, with other new spaces, planned to be built under a large portion of the famous lawn in front of the Peace Tower.

“It’s hard to give cost estimates before we have the definition of the requirements from Parliament,” he told the MPs. “There are a number of material decisions that would have impact on scope, cost and schedule.”

“I completely understand the question and frustration and at the same time (it is) very difficult to give costing without knowing whether there are committee rooms going in the welcome centre or not, committee rooms, so there is functionality as well as size and the have material impacts on costs,” Wright said.

With widespread concern over the past year about the fate of Parliament’s sprawling front lawn, a square block of green space that has served as a soccer field for kids and adults alike during summer months, a sprawling place to catch Canada Day fireworks, and summer-long yoga crowds, Wright for the first time said that after the construction of the sub-terrain entry to the future Centre Block, the lawn will survive.

“This is not just a building, it is the past of Canada, it is our future,” said Liberal MP Kirsty Duncan, who questioned Wright about the future of the lawn and asked if Canadians could be assured the lawn would be maintained.

“Absolutely, we’re talking green grass maintained, the visitor welcome centre will be built into the landscape, subterranean,” Wright said.

“The yoga crowd should like that,” one of the Conservatives quipped.

Even there, though, Wright indicated no final decision has been set in stone.

“There are different options for the visitor welcome centre, but there are options put forward (where) essentially the vast majority of the lawn is retained and the visitor welcome centre is simply underneath”

The briefing ran through the kind of decisions to be made, by the governing board of the Commons as well eventually by the government, about the future of the Commons chamber itself. One of the unanswered questions, so far, involved a choice of maintaining the existing chamber, perhaps with seats instead of desks, or expanding the chamber to accommodate the inevitable increase in Parliamentarians along with population growth through the next 100 years.

“We could put in additional seating. Right now we’re in the existing blueprint in the 420-some zone of how many seats could be integrated into there,” said Wright, accompanied by department and Commons administration officials.

Public Services and Procurement Canada last week provided the Commons with an assessment of preparatory work so far. It included 100 field surveys, 10,000 tests and samples, 900 openings into ceilings and walls, 20,000 recorded assets and 2,000 inspections.

Alberta Conservative MP Blake Richards later expressed the Conservative impatience at the absence of estimated costs, despite the early stages of preparation and decisions the government and governing boards of each chamber must still take.

“Obviously when you’re talking about a project of this magnitude you would think there would be a need to have a better understanding of what you’re getting yourself into before you do it,” said Richards.

“I do understand that there are going to be some challenges as they go through to figure out what’s actually happening in the building, but one would assume based on their experience with West Block, they should have some way to give a better estimate of that, for sure,” Richards said.

Sweeping renovations and rebuilding of the much smaller West Block, including construction of a temporary Commons chamber to serve MPs during the Centre Block rebuild, took eight years to complete at a cost of nearly $900 million.

When plans for Centre Block’s renovation and reconstruction were first unveiled, the department set 10 years as an estimated timeline for the work.

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MPs successfully push for preliminary costing on proposals for Centre Block renos

By Jolson Lim, iPolitics
Published on Feb 28, 2020 4:09pm


Parliamentarians will receive preliminary costing on options for the redevelopment of Centre Block after some MPs expressed frustration on being asked for input without dollar estimates.

The issue of cost estimates had been a source of dissatisfaction at a Tuesday meeting of the Procedure and House Affairs Committee.

Rob Wright, assistant deputy minister of the science and parliamentary infrastructure branch at Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC), had told the committee that costing would hinge on which options parliamentarians would back for the 100-year-old building.

Input is currently being sought from parliamentarians on different concepts for redeveloping the House of Commons chamber and building a subterranean Visitor Welcome Centre in front of Centre Block. The options vary in size and scope and involve trade-offs when it comes to practicality, heritage preservation and construction.

“It’s hard to give cost estimates before we have the definition of the requirements from Parliament,” he told MPs.

But Conservative member Blake Richards had suggested it should be the other way around: that parliamentarians should have costing estimates on options before offering input on what to move forward with.

“We’re being asked, as parliamentarians, for input, but we’re not being provided with any estimates of cost,” he said at Thursday’s meeting.

MPs on the committee were previously provided with three concepts options for each the Commons chamber and the Visitor Welcome Centre.

Different concepts, including one that would see the Commons chamber enlarged to the point it would impact the eastern facade of the building, would have different costs attached to them.

At Thursday’s meeting, Public Services and Procurement Minister Anita Anand agreed to provide preliminary costing estimates to the committee in the coming weeks so they can be better informed on offering input.

However, Anand emphasized that no decisions have been made on how restoration will proceed — but once a vision forward is chosen, officials would be in a better position to provide precise costing and timelines to the committee, as well as to the House’s Board of Internal Economy.

“I can assure you that the issue of costs and budgeting is front and centre in my mind, as the minister overseeing the day-to-day activities of the project,” she said.

Bill Matthews, deputy minister at PSPC, said costing is “a bit of a chicken and egg situation.”

“We can come back and do some preliminary costing and put those on the table, but it would be very helpful for us if we found out from the stakeholders and decision-makers which of the three options (for the Commons chamber and welcome centre), if any of them, are not on the table,” he said.

“If there are some that aren’t of interest, we don’t want to waste our time costing those.”

Bloc Quebecois MP Alain Therrien told the committee that it was important to be transparent on costs since it involves taxpayers’ money.

“You don’t want to purchase a Ferrari just to go to the post office when you can use the lesser car to do the same thing. What we want to do in terms of construction is to meet the needs,” he said in French.

Anand told the committee that work on Parliamentary precinct rehabilitation to date has been delivered on time and on budget. That would include renovations of West Block, 100 Wellington St., the Senate Building and the Sir. John A. Macdonald Building.

A total $3.5 billion has been spent to date of the $4.5 billion in funding so far approved for rehabilitation efforts, she said.

“I want to stress that at no time do we go off on a frolic of our own and decide our budgetary parameters without consultation.”

https://ipolitics.ca/2020/02/28/mps-succ...ing-on-proposals-for-centre-block-renos/
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I don't remember if we had a thread for the Capital Illumination Plan, but I do know we have multiple Parliament Hill/Parliamentary Precinct threads.

But anyway, the NCC had an update on the Illumination plan at yesterday's Board Meeting.




https://twitter.com/NCC_CCN/status/1253345617436463105


https://ncc-website-2.s3.amazonaws.com/d...an-presentation.pdf?mtime=20200423100857
https://ncc-website-2.s3.amazonaws.com/d...ing-Master-Plan.pdf?mtime=20200423100855

https://ncc-ccn.gc.ca/our-plans/capital-illumination-plan?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
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Parliament Hill reno protected by 'robust' fire-prevention measures after Notre Dame blaze, committee told

Chris Rands · CBC News
Posted: Jun 16, 2020 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: June 16


When fire gutted the celebrated Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris last year, the team leading the renovation of Parliament Hill's Centre Block knew it had a problem.

Notre Dame was in the middle of a restoration project when the fire started. It quickly spread along the roof, causing horrific damage to the centuries-old French Gothic structure.

In the weeks following the fire, the team from Public Services and Procurement Canada working on Parliament Hill's renovation met with senators on the Long Term Planning and Vision sub-committee. The senators wanted to know if Centre Block could be protected properly from fire.

In 1916, Parliament Hill's original Centre Block was destroyed by a fire that started in a wastepaper basket in the reading room and spread rapidly. Seven people, including one MP, died in that fire.

On Friday, Jennifer Garrett, director general of the Centre Block reno project, presented improved fire prevention plans to senators on the long-term vision and planning committee.

"We developed what I think in confidence I can say is probably the most robust fire prevention strategy for a construction site in the country to date," she said.

The fire prevention plan was developed with PCL-Ellis Don, the lead contractor on the Centre Block project and currently the company in control of the work site.

Garrett told senators that all of the fire prevention plan measures have been implemented and are functioning except for one — surveillance cameras, which are expected to be completely installed by the end of the month.

Public Services is also looking into thermal imaging as a possible fire detection method as well.

The House of Commons and the Senate chambers are now being protected by laser-based smoke monitors. The dust generated by renovation work can clog a conventional fire sensor.

Garrett told senators that the fire prevention plan depends on people as much as it does on technology.

"We have an hourly fire watch of 116 checkpoints within the building and we have sensors at those checkpoints so that the actual commissionaires have to physically go to those spaces," she said, adding the fire watch runs 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

The tools contractors use to light and heat the Centre Block during the renovation have changed, too.

The lights are compact fluorescent units that don't produce heat.

The building is being warmed by a hydronic system — essentially a system of hot water pipes and radiators, instead of the gas heaters normally used on construction sites.

Independent Ontario Sen. Josee Forest-Niesing called the plan "very impressive" but wanted to know why the Library of Parliament wasn't part of the fire inspection route.

The library survived the fire of 1916 after staff slammed its steel doors shut.

Garrett told Forest-Niesing that the Library isn't part of the construction site and that it is blocked off from the rest of the building. However, the Library remains on the main of House of Commons fire system.

Public Service and Procurement staff have not yet provided a public cost estimate for the Centre Block renovation project, despite public requests by MPs and senators.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/parliament-hill-centre-block-renovation-1.5613157
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Commons board recommending $733M plan to build Parliament Hill visitors centre
Board also recommends a $75M reno to add more seats to the Commons — but has no plans for physical distancing

Chris Rands · CBC News
Posted: Jun 18, 2020 4:09 PM ET | Last Updated: June 18




MPs on the House of Commons' Board of Internal Economy are leaning toward a $733 million renovation plan for Parliament Hill's planned visitors centre.

A new report, prepared by consultants for the procedure and house affairs committee and obtained by CBC News, lays out three options for the construction of the visitors centre, which is to link the district's West, Centre and East Blocks together through a series of underground passages and meeting rooms.

The centre will contain a security screening area, a visitor information centre for tour groups and committee rooms for the Senate. The estimated costs of the three options range from $552 million to $847 million.

One option — the one being recommended by the Board of Internal Economy — has been costed at $733 million and would take another six months to complete.

The report also identifies the board's preferred option for renovating the House of Commons chamber: a $75 million project that would maintain the current dimensions of the chamber while adding more seats.

That plan would see MPs sit closer together, either on stadium-style seating or the long benches used in the U.K. House of Commons.

The consultants' work began before the pandemic hit and before workplaces around the world — including the Commons — were forced to adopt physical distancing measures to slow the spread of COVID-19.



CBC News asked the board to explain how the $75 million reno option would accommodate physical distancing requirements. A board spokesperson that that the board's choice of renovation options was made pre-pandemic and it hasn't discussed the possible impact of COVID-19 on its decisions.

The report does warn, however, that the pandemic crisis may affect the cost of the renovations going forward.

Right now, the House of Commons holds 338 MPs. That number is expected to grow as Canada's population increases. The Commons could hold 420 MPs by the time the renovations are complete.

By choosing to add more seats, the board is rejecting two other options that would have changed the face of the Commons chamber more radically.

One other option that was under consideration would have added two-storey lobbies on either side of the chamber. The report estimates the cost of this work at $303 million and says it would require an extra year to get stakeholder approvals for the design changes and another two years to complete the construction.



A third option was dropped by the Board of Internal Economy before the consultants began their work. It would have involved ripping out Centre Block's west exterior wall to widen the Commons chamber.

MPs and senators have been poring over different plans and scenarios to renovate and restore the entire Centre Block to help make it function for the next 100 years. Until they received this report, they were working without knowing the exact costs associated with the options.

When she appeared before the procedure and house affairs committee at the end of February, Public Services Minister Anita Anand promised to get MPs the cost estimates.

The costing report does not include the costs of renovating the Senate Chamber or other parts of Centre Block.

"Detailed analyses are ongoing so that project requirements and costs can be confirmed before major construction begins," said Cecely Roy, a spokesperson for Anand's office.

So far, $4.2 billion has approved by Parliament for the renovations and close to $3 billion has already been spent on renovating the West Block, the new Senate of Canada building and the Wellington Building.



The report notes that the final cost of the House of Commons restoration could vary from the estimates by up to 20 per cent, while the welcome centre's cost could swing by ten per cent.

The report also cautions that future design changes could substantially increase costs. That could turn out to be an important factor, since the renovations are expected to take up to ten years — and a great many of the people in the Commons and Senate right now may not still be there when the work is complete.

The report also says that security plans associated with the renovation have not been finalized and could substantially increase the cost and duration of the project. It says that work could be delayed if MPs and senators decide to add enhanced blast protection to the buildings.

Centre Block has witnessed security breaches in the past, including the 2014 attack by Michael Zehaf-Bibeau and the 1966 bombing by Paul Joseph Chartier. Both men died during their attacks.

Also missing from the costing report are some factors in the design of the Visitors Welcome Centre that come under the purview of the Senate.

Senators still have to decide if they require a separate entrance to the welcome centre.

As the senior house of Parliament, the Senate regularly hosts many diplomatic functions which might benefit from a separate entrance.

Senators on the long-term vision and planning sub-committee were expected to make recommendations on a separate entrance to the Board of Internal Economy this week.


Preliminary Cost Analysis Report - May 2020


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/parliament-commons-renovation-1.5617453

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I much prefer retaining the current House of Commons and adding bench seating.

In terms of physical distancing, which wasn't considered because the decisions were made pre-pandemic, it doesn't matter if you work with the same House or build a bigger House. In both cases, it's probably not be possible to provide 2 meter distancing between MPs.

Another consideration could have been to just keep MPs in the current House (which I believe is bigger, though the lobby is smaller?) and have the old House preserved as a museum piece of sorts.
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If they had blown out the western wall, I'd have started a riot.
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