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Old Posted Aug 28, 2018, 12:45 AM
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this would be a massively missed opportunity and would bum me out so much. The height and design of the tower is perfect for what downtown Brooklyn needs/ is becoming. Cutting this tower down is shortsighted
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I don't even see the point in cutting the height. The people against the tower don't want it, at even half the height. It will still cause shadows over the community garden. All the talk of cutting the height is just pandering. Certainly a bulkier tower won't go over well.
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http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...lanned-offices

Gatekeeper for 80 Flatbush suggests eliminating planned offices


by JOE ANUTA
September 5, 2018


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A 986-foot complex proposed across from the Atlantic Avenue–Barclays transit hub in Brooklyn may have to shed some of its commercial square footage to gain the approval of the City Council, a key lawmaker said last week.

Councilman Stephen Levin indicated that Alloy Development should consider sacrificing the portion of the building dedicated to office space in order to shrink the project, while preserving as many of the 900 planned apartments as possible, according to a Brooklyn Paper report.
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In negotiations over the project's size, sources and published reports have said Levin proposed chopping the project by one-third, but the development team countered that even a 22% reduction would require cutting the public benefits, which include the schools and affordable housing. The council must vote by Sept. 21.



https://www.brooklynpaper.com/storie...-09-07-bk.html

B’Hill pol: 80 Flatbush must shrink by a third, lose commercial space, to get my vote

BY JULIANNE CUBA


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The developer asking the city to rezone a swath of land in Boerum Hill to make way for its five-building 80 Flatbush complex must reduce the size of the massive project by a third in order to gain the critical vote of the councilman whose district it would rise in, the pol told the Brooklyn Paper.

“Right now I would like to see the scale of the project be decreased,” Boerum Hill Councilman Stephen Levin said on Wednesday.
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The councilman also asked both city officials and Alloy bigwigs for more details on what he called the “complicated” financial agreement they brokered in order for the builder to develop the shared public-private lot, he said.

Levin previously accused the Department of Education of forcing him to make a Sophie’s Choice between the schools and the polarizing towers they would sit inside, blasting the agency for not being more proactive in bringing more desks to his overcrowded district over his eight years in office.
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But last week, Mayor DeBlasio, whose administration supports the 80 Flatbush project, said it’s more important to build the complex as proposed and alleviate that overcrowding problem than bicker over what led to it.

“If something wasn’t built in the past, I don’t have a time machine. I’ve got to deal with today,” Hizzoner said during a sit-down with local media on Aug. 23.

A rep for Alloy declined to comment on whether it would act on Levin’s suggestions before Council’s vote on the rezoning, which is likely to happen on Sept. 14.
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The pol recommended axing the complex’s commercial space as a way to reduce its density while keeping as many of its planned public benefits — which include a new 350-seat elementary school and much-needed new classrooms for high schoolers enrolled at the Khalil Gibran International Academy, whose current crumbling building is on the 80 Flatbush lot and would be restored for reuse as part of Alloy’s original scheme.

“What I would like to see is a smaller project, potentially eliminate commercial,” Levin said. “I’ve encouraged everybody to think about prioritizing the benefits.”
This makes no sense. I get he has to say something to appease the community groups, but this isn't how the economics of this work. The commercial more than anything else would pay for the benefits, right? Of course they aren't going to get rid of any of the units, as that runs up against the consensus idea that more housing is always needed in the city; but at the end of the day, it's the commercial that's really going to disproportionately subsidize the public benefits, I'd think. Levin and the community group want eat their cake, but have it, too.



The council can do this - play hardball - since this needs an upzoning, though.
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This whole opposition and inane demands by Stephen Levin is not productive at all. It doesn't help the city or borough one bit. Not good for business, and based more on emotion rather than feasibility.

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“Right now I would like to see the scale of the project be decreased,” Boerum Hill Councilman Stephen Levin said on Wednesday.
Fuck off. What a hack. Continues to complain about the past, without offering actual solutions that would benefit the borough.

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But last week, Mayor DeBlasio, whose administration supports the 80 Flatbush project, said it’s more important to build the complex as proposed and alleviate that overcrowding problem than bicker over what led to it.
DeBlasio gets it. He gets it.
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This makes no sense. I get he has to say something to appease the community groups, but this isn't how the economics of this work. The commercial more than anything else would pay for the benefits, right? Of course they aren't going to get rid of any of the units, as that runs up against the consensus idea that more housing is always needed in the city; but at the end of the day, it's the commercial that's really going to disproportionately subsidize the public benefits, I'd think. Levin and the community group want eat their cake, but have it, too.


The council can do this - play hardball - since this needs an upzoning, though.
There are some that work to alleviate or fix problems, and others that complain about them but offer no alternative. Its kinda what this council is doing in regards to this project. But hey... you can't fix stupid. Thank goodness at least we have a mayor who gets it, and his pro-development, pro-growth administration.

This is just city politics at its worse. The nagging, and really... the problem with bureaucracy lagging projects and growth. Just one case study out of many.
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This makes no sense. I get he has to say something to appease the community groups, but this isn't how the economics of this work. The commercial more than anything else would pay for the benefits, right? Of course they aren't going to get rid of any of the units, as that runs up against the consensus idea that more housing is always needed in the city; but at the end of the day, it's the commercial that's really going to disproportionately subsidize the public benefits, I'd think. Levin and the community group want eat their cake, but have it, too.

He just wants to get an easy win, saying he got the tower cut down. That's all the NIMBYs really care about, but they aren't going to be happy with a building of even half this height. They'll take it, but they will still be bitter.


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“If something wasn’t built in the past, I don’t have a time machine. I’ve got to deal with today,” Hizzoner said during a sit-down with local media on Aug. 23.
Mayor deBlasio should veto any changes forced on the plan, even if he gets eventually overruled by a majority of the council. At some point, somebody has to stand up to these neighborhood hacks who only want votes.

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https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/planning...portal/lur.pdf
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this is just so disappointing, the original proposal is perfect for where downtown brooklyn is heading
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this is just so disappointing, the original proposal is perfect for where downtown brooklyn is heading
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Why. Do people. Who don't like tall buildings. Live. In. New. York.
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Sometimes I think planning issues should just be left to the CPC. Most people in neighborhoods have more pressing concerns than how tall a building is. Its the vocal NIMBYs that the council members are afraid of, and almost always want something reduced. They should all be introduced to a map of Kansas.
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No. Montana.

It's the largest state in the Lower 48 with a population of less than 10 per square mile.

You can fit maybe 6 or 7 Long Islands in the non-mountainous area alone.
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Somebody should print that on a flyer, and distribute it through the neighborhood.

"Montanna. It's big sky country. Not big skyscraper country."

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Sometimes I think planning issues should just be left to the CPC. Most people in neighborhoods have more pressing concerns than how tall a building is. Its the vocal NIMBYs that the council members are afraid of, and almost always want something reduced. They should all be introduced to a map of Kansas.
They just need to square off an uninhabited portion of Kansas. Given them like 1000 sq miles of land, and build a giant wall enclosing the land (with land mines on the other side as to not escape). We can just chuck them there, and call it the promise land. Where they can bask in the glory of the sunset, and not a damn thing in sight.
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Why. Do people. Who don't like tall buildings. Live. In. New. York.
And the thing is, some of them act surprised. Using words like monstrosities or too tall for the area... when in some cases, there is a 60 floor tower just three blocks away. The context is way off in some cases around the 5 boroughs.

Its one thing to argue for and demand community improvements... that I get, and there's nothing wrong with wanting the community to improve (transit upgrades, expanded sidewalks, maybe a school added in "X" development)... but to just blatantly oppose it... eh... now they are losing credibility and leverage.
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https://ny.curbed.com/2018/9/17/1786...brooklyn-nimby

The YIMBY movement comes to New York City
Open New York, the city’s first self-style YIMBY group, advocates for more housing in high-opportunity areas




Downtown Brooklyn and Fort Greene, currently at the center of a pitched battle between NIMBY and YIMBY activists. Max Touhey


By Sam Raskin
Sep 17, 2018


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On a Wednesday morning in August, the New York City Council’s zoning and franchises subcommittee convened for a hearing about 80 Flatbush, one of the largest proposed developments in Brooklyn.

During the hours-long hearing, residents of nearby brownstone Brooklyn neighborhoods expressed their opposition to the project, which they say is too tall and out of scale with the mostly low-density neighborhoods nearby. (They also noted that its height would block much-needed sunlight from Rockwell Bear’s Community Garden.) And why, they asked, is the city always relying on huge projects by profit-seeking developers to create below-market-rate housing?
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But some people present that day would disagree: Members of the nascent pro-development group Open New York, which advocates for more housing across the city, also testified during the hours-long hearing. In their view, the project’s opponents are selfishly trying to thwart development during a housing crisis over far less immediate, parochial concerns like aesthetics, shadows, and an undue sense of control over preventing further neighborhood change. (Project opponents frequently noted how long they had lived in the area.)

Ben Carlos Thypin, an organizer with Open New York who testified that day, characterizes the proposal’s critics as “wealthy homeowners who, at best, seek to maintain the aesthetics of the neighborhood, their views, parking, and property values—and at worst, seek to maintain the ethnic and class composition of the neighborhood that they’ve gentrified over the past several decades.”
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Those factors, the group argues, ought not to trump the benefit of new housing near the Atlantic Terminal, a prime piece of real estate and optimal spot for new housing. A crucial vote for the project, from the City Council’s committee on zoning on franchises, will happen later this week.

“The bottom line is that we need to build more housing, especially in high opportunity neighborhoods like Downtown Brooklyn and Boerum Hill,” says Thypin.
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Open New York, formerly More New York, began in earnest in 2017. Having grown tired of what they regard as the one-sided nature of land use politics in New York (a developer will propose a city-backed project, neighborhood groups vehemently oppose it), Open New York seeks to add a pro-development perspective to the anti-development chorus that often commandeers housing debates.

Its core philosophy mirrors that of other YIMBY—or yes in my backyard—groups in cities like San Francisco or Los Angeles, which advocate for doing away with exclusionary zoning, and combatting the exclusionary sentiment of wealthy enclaves they believe prevents cities from becoming more equitable.
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Often, explains Spencer Heckwolf, an Open New York board member, that vocal minority is largely composed of wealthy residents who prefer to “live in stagnation and not let people build housing in the most high-demand areas.”

The group’s central focus—adding housing density in high-income, transit-rich areas—is a widely-supported approach in planning circles, but doesn’t necessarily have a natural constituency in New York City—or, at least, not one that shows up to weigh in during the city’s multi-step land use review procedure.

Open New York’s members hope to change that by attending community board meetings, City Council hearings, and other places where they can spread the pro-housing gospel.
Amen, brothers.
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NY area SSP members need to get behind that ^ organization.
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I signed up, other NY members please do too.
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Lol again with the sunlight. "Much needed sunlight?".

The only time much needed sunlight would occur is during the 8 minutes of light that would occur if the sun just vanished instantly. During that period, soak in as much sunlight as you can because there will be a permanent shadow after.

Much needed sunlight! Not much needed housing or much needed price alleviation. Nope! Sunlight!!!



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Simple concept. Hard to understand for the masses.
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The new design looks amazing although a bit shorter. The towers are 840' and 510'

Brooklyn’s 80 Flatbush gets crucial City Council committee approval

https://ny.curbed.com/2018/9/20/1788...h-city-council

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