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Old Posted Jan 26, 2023, 12:58 PM
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I don’t think he’s proposing the 3.5% income tax. Sun Times is the only outlet saying that and it seems to be an error.
Unless the sales and real estate taxes are eliminated that's ridiculous. The highest taxes in the nation will not solve Chicago's problems and a candidate that thinks they will is dangerous.

His tax plan is nothing but class warfare like his leftist supporters in the CTU push.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2023, 12:24 AM
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I never considered Johnson ever, but when he was surging a little more I said "hmm maybe there's something to this guy?" Then I saw his tax plan and it was a big FUCK NO from me. HELLLLL no. The last city I lived in before this (NYC) had a 3.5% city income tax and we never saw it going to anything. In fact, I remember MTA raising their fares like 3 times in my time there, and roads hardly ever getting fixed, and streets still dirty (only COVID made it better, because nobody was coming outside for awhile in Manhattan at least). Everyone wondered why we were even being taxed and I would expect similar for Chicago with a city income tax. So yeah, been there done that. No thanks. There's other ways to get creative to get more revenue for the city besides more tax.

For me, pretty much every candidate kind of sucks. I would be more for Vallas at this point if he didn't align himself with Awake recently by speaking at one of their engagements. I think he has the most actual experience to run a big government like Chicago but I'd love to see more of a stance about improving public transit back to how it should be (i.e. fire Carter and get some competent people in there). The Awake thing kind of sucks too - even if he said "oops, I didn't do my homework on that one" what does that say about someone who's running for America's 3rd largest city and the main city of one of the top 15 largest economies in the entire world by metro area? You have to have your shit together and research things when you're in this big of a position.

Pretty much everyone else for me at this point is a no for me. I have no idea what Chuy offers that's new. Lightfoot shows she can't run a government this big and not piss off almost everyone (though she's done 1 or 2 good things IMO, but not even close to enough). Johnson wants to tax even more, after a lot of peoples' property taxes got raised a bit.

Buckner is the only other one I like because he does appear to be pro business, and wants to invest in CTA way more to bring it back to good status. I kind of like his shit talking to the Bears when they're asking for tax assistance and him just flat out telling them from a state level to get lost if it means taxing people even more. He has a few DUIs though so I have to question is judgement. Then again, nobody is perfect.


I'd say it's between Buckner and Vallas for me at this point. I didn't think I'd come around to Vallas, but at this point he may be one of the better options just from an ability to show he can lead large organizations perspective. Some people know my thoughts about crime, and there's definitely still issues - but something to reduce the perception of crime in the city would do a lot of good in the long run. If Vallas came out again and aligned himself with some obvious human rightsy types of things (i.e. LGBTQ people have rights like everyone else, people of all backgrounds should have opportunities, etc) it would make it a lot easier for me to go for him right now.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2023, 12:44 AM
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Be careful with the sample size. This board was convinced that Kim Foxx had no shot at re-election. She won by 15%.
While a fair point, I don't think it's apples to apples. That 2020 election for Foxx was Republican vs. Democrat vs. Libertarian. People just vote on their party lines. The mayoral election isn't the same as it's basically a bunch of people from the same party/slant running (or people who align in some way with it). If it was Lightfoot vs. 1 Republican or Libertarian, I'd say she's running away with it. But that's not what it is, unlike Foxx's last election. I really do not believe she is going to win this. Somehow she's managed to piss off all sorts of people who normally would blindly go with whatever she says due to party affiliation.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2023, 9:33 PM
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Vallas just said at that transit mayoral meeting that he would clean house at CTA just like he will with CPD. hopefully Dorval Carter gets the boot.

Buckner is nice but from polls he doesnt have a chance. Out of all the people who actually have a chance (Lightfoot, Chuy, Vallas, Johnson, Wilson) Vallas is the most competent and it's not close.

https://twitter.com/EricSpracklen/st...i0kp6ePnQnsIcg

Video on Twitter with 20k retweets, 60k likes. Quote retweets are people all over the world shitting on Chicago and calling it crime ridden. Believe or not, Chicago's brand today is crime unfortunately. Look up Chicago and all you see are crime stories. Cities like NY, LA, Atlanta, Seattle, Houston, DC, etc. don't have this reputation. Chicago needs to NOT lead the nation in homicides for atleast 3 years straight and NOT have more homicides than NY & LA combined despite only having 2.7 million people to drip off that nasty reputation. And I think Vallas is the one that can atleast change that. Easily the #1 problem facing the city today.
If your opinion stems from Twitter, which is full of bots and trolls, then you might want to reconsider how you get information on how people think of various things. I'm not saying there's no truth to it, but pointing to Twitter is ridiculous which is known for literal millions of bot and troll accounts. Chicago has been having this type of stereotype for literally well over 100 years. And it started up again even greater in the national psyche after Obama started running for president 15+ years ago and won. I have not lived a single month in Chicago where people whether here or otherwise did not talk about this. My only issue with Vallas is that I don't know whether he can actually do what's necessary to get rid of that stereotype. The city right now, for everything that's gone on, was following national trends with things like murder. In the last 1.5 years, it's been going down a little while some other cities are actually increasing again or staying around the same. I don't know how long you've lived here, or when you have lived here before but you can go back 15 years and it's the same shit in regards to stereotypes. Even in 2014 which was the lowest year for violent crime in Chicago since 1965, this talk was still going on. Unless the murder count somehow goes below 150, this isn't going away anytime soon no matter who is mayor. Even NYC still gets this stereotype years after it cleaned its act up despite it being one of the safest cities in America by rate right now.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2023, 11:05 PM
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I’m not sure why anybody would think that Vallas would be more successful than Lightfoot. With his political leanings, it seems he might be even worse at forming a functional city government. I’d much rather have Buckner, but it seems to me that the framing of Lightfoot’s leadership is similar to the framing of Chicago in the news. Rahm made many enemies in his time as well and many people on this forum seem to love him. Lightfoot has compromised many times to move things forward. I’m glad she’s not a shoe in, but it seems a better opportunity to push her to actually follow through on her lacking commitments and to reassess some things like CTA leadership. I hate to be advocating for Lightfoot, but I think she is carrying on Rahm’s legacy better than Vallas will. Just because Vallas is going to “clean house” at the CTA and CPD doesn’t in the slightest guarantee we’ll be in any better position than before.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2023, 2:26 AM
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150 murders is unrealistic, but if Chicago can go consecutive years with under or around 300-400 homicides (where nyc is at right now, the city got close around 2014 like you said) I promise the reputation will start going away. Let Houston, Philly, or some other city replace Chicago as nation leading in homicides and it'll help alot. And I don't really hear too many people call NYC crime ridden nowadays, does it have crime issues? of course. But it doesn't get the hellhole treatment like cities like Chicago, Detroit, Philly, etc. do. The things I hear bad about NYC mainly have to do with how damn expensive/dirty it is and how small the apartments are.

Also doesn't help that recently alot of the crime has been spilling into "nicer" parts of town. But back to politics, I think having a mayor whose pro police and doesn't handcuff them would do alot for police morale. having CPD work consecutive 12 hour shifts is unacceptable, and Lightfoot is okay with it. I like his idea of cops on trains, and on the beat in neighborhoods. Basically I think he's the candidate to help alleviate the city's #1 problem.
1) No it won't go away. Maybe you don't actually remember 2013 or 2014, but Chicago had JUST over 400 homicides for both of those years each and people still talked about this nationally giving Chicago crap for it. I have no idea how old you are or how long you've lived in Chicago, but this is nothing new even when the city had more moderate rates just less than a decade ago.

2) When you actually talk about this stuff, you have to talk about rates. This is fundamental. And bringing up Philadelphia in this shows me you haven't actually taken the time to look at any statistics. Philadelphia's murder rate last year was 32.17 per 100K vs. Chicago's 25.31 per 100K. Of course MOST cities that are larger are going to have a higher crime incidence level. This goes for anything - you look at rates for things of dissimilar sizes, not the overall counts.

Currently through most of January, the following cities that some people don't realize are worse in rate than Chicago lately have higher murder rates than Chicago in 2023:

Washington DC, Pittsburgh, Las Vegas, Indianapolis, Dallas, Philadelphia, Louisville, Columbus (OH), Kansas City, Milwaukee, etc. Nashville is barely below Chicago right now and Houston and Minneapolis aren't far behind either. And of course cities like Jackson (MS), Birmingham, Detroit, Cleveland, Memphis, Baltimore, St. Louis, etc are much worse.


3) While there has been some spill over (most notably downtown) of violent crime, the majority of this is completely overstated with the levels for various types of violent crime still below what they were pre covid for most years. It's easy to find this data - and not hard to look to see what in the media you read is overstated/BS and what is not. And I'm not at all a Lightfoot fan (minus 1 or 2 things), but a lot of the robbery, battery/assault, etc levels in the "nicer" or adjacent parts of town are not really above or that far above what they were previous to her even being in office. And also counts for 2020 everywhere in town are almost always low - nobody was outside. And that's certainly true for most of 2021 too. I take those 2 years with a grain of salt because of that.

https://data.cityofchicago.org/Publi...ijzp-q8t2/data


For Lincoln Park, Lakeview, North Center, and Lincoln Square combined

Robberies by year
2010: 550
2011: 542
2012: 582
2013: 571
2014: 386
2015: 396
2016: 504
2017: 500
2018: 432
2019: 327
2020: 322
2021: 376
2022: 403

This area has almost identical count to 2015 and less than 2010 to 2013, and 2016 thru 2018. Also a reminder that the 2020 and 2021 populations in this area are greater than 2010.

Battery and Aggravated Assault by year
2010: 1986
2011: 1969
2012: 2021
2013: 1893
2014: 1648
2015: 1629
2016: 1691
2017: 1667
2018: 1772
2019: 1810
2020: 1200
2021: 1469
2022: 1663

2022 was one of the lowest years and barely above the 2 lowest years of 2014 and 2015. Quite a bit below 2010 to 2012 as well, and a bit below the few years before COVID.


For Near North Side, The Loop, and Near South Side combined

Robberies, by year
2010: 661
2011: 643
2012: 533
2013: 432
2014: 374
2015: 456
2016: 654
2017: 894
2018: 749
2019: 717
2020: 487
2021: 646
2022: 697

Now while 2022 was higher than 2011 - 2015, there was a huge uptick in 2016 and then again in 2017. Even 2019 had more robberies in this area than 2022. In other words, the robberies had already spilled into these downtown areas a small handful of years before COVID, but were people raising the alarms then? Also, just a reminder that the 2021 population is 34K greater than the 2010 population (20.5% increase). The robbery rate of these 3 areas in 2010 was 504 per 100K vs. 422 per 100K for 2022.


Battery and Aggravated Assault by year
2010: 2492
2011: 2192
2012: 2282
2013: 2146
2014: 2227
2015: 2195
2016: 2472
2017: 2817
2018: 3137
2019: 3260
2020: 2043
2021: 2710
2022: 3213

While 2022 is above a lot, it's still below 2019 and not far above 2018. Same question as above for this area.

For Edison Park, Norwood Park, Jefferson Park, Forest Glen, North Park, Albany Park, Portage Park, Irving Park, West Ridge, Rogers Park, and O'Hare combined

Robberies
2010: 869
2011: 851
2012: 748
2013: 693
2014: 534
2015: 514
2016: 738
2017: 686
2018: 651
2019: 425
2020: 515
2021: 506
2022: 512

2022 is one of the lowest years here for robberies in this part of town and almost identical to 2015, and much lower than 2010 - 2012.

Battery and Aggravated Assault by year
2010: 4354
2011: 4732
2012: 4620
2013: 4278
2014: 3946
2015: 3896
2016: 3954
2017: 3856
2018: 4062
2019: 3938
2020: 3523
2021: 3574
2022: 3957

2022 was lower than each year between 2010 and 2013 and almost identical to 2014. In fact it was almost identical to 2016 and 2019 too.


For West Town, Avondale, and Logan Square combined

Robberies by year
2010: 849
2011: 741
2012: 729
2013: 631
2014: 492
2015: 482
2016: 685
2017: 796
2018: 534
2019: 455
2020: 451
2021: 572
2022: 696

2022 was lower than 2012 thru 2012, not much higher than 2013, almost identical to 2016, and lower than 2017. Again, upticks suck but the levels aren't anything new in recent memory

Battery and Aggravated Assault by year
2010: 3544
2011: 3167
2012: 3009
2013: 2603
2014: 2445
2015: 2179
2016: 2321
2017: 2246
2018: 2215
2019: 2137
2020: 1678
2021: 1758
2022: 1825

2022 was lower than any year pre-COVID...
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i'm voting for the most anti police candidates possible
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It's likely that the most "anti-police" candidate would be the one who wanted to spend the most on police. Professionalizing the force, and policing the police takes investment. If someone slashes the police budget, we're still going to have police. They would just be worse and more poorly trained.
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Divide the pack by their positions on key issues — at a glance. And, read their reasons why.
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It's likely that the most "anti-police" candidate would be the one who wanted to spend the most on police. Professionalizing the force, and policing the police takes investment. If someone slashes the police budget, we're still going to have police. They would just be worse and more poorly trained.
That's close to what Brandon Johnson and Kam Buckner are planning. They want to shift the load of 911 calls that don't require police to having health professionals deal with mental health emergencies, housing homeless people, and have violence interrupters break up fights and retaliations. That way the police budget gets reduced and the focus is shifted towards efficiencies in CPD, rather than throwing another billion expecting crime to go down
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Is LL trying to not get re-elected?

I don't understand how answering "No" instead of "Other" to questions 13 and 19 is in any way politically smart.

Also - LOL to Willie answering "Yes" to the dome question at the end.
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Is LL trying to not get re-elected?

I don't understand how answering "No" instead of "Other" to questions 13 and 19 is in any way politically smart.

Also - LOL to Willie answering "Yes" to the dome question at the end.
Wilson is such a clown.

Vallas seems the most pragmatic and detailed.

LL is just painted into a corner on so many issues.

Chuy was created by ChatGPT
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Wilson is such a clown.

Vallas seems the most pragmatic and detailed.

LL is just painted into a corner on so many issues.

Chuy was created by ChatGPT
Seriously though....

"An analysis by the University of Chicago found that CPD deployment does not match up with where most shootings take place. Would you urge the Chicago Police Department to alter its patrol plan, deploying more officers during hours when violence is highest?"

Why would anyone answer "No" to this question? Is there some political or policy angle here I am missing? LL is the only candidate that answered "No" to this question.
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^ I think I understand why she said no. As the incumbent, to answer yes would imply either ignorance that she didn't know about this study, or incompetence that she couldn't influence CPD to make any strategy adjustments. Her answer claims that the study precedes recent updates for how CPD deploys its officers. Who the hell knows if that means CPD is now deploying officers in line with the recommendation of the study. But she hedges on that too by raising doubt about the assumption that more police patrolling = more violence prevention. After reading her answer, I thought it was pretty smart actually. Disclosure: I'm not voting for LL.
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Is LL trying to not get re-elected?

I don't understand how answering "No" instead of "Other" to questions 13 and 19 is in any way politically smart.

Also - LOL to Willie answering "Yes" to the dome question at the end.
You can read their more detailed responses. Speeding is a safety issue. I agree with LL on this. There are other and better ways to slow traffic, but speed cameras are effective at slowing traffic.

Regarding police deployment, she says that the UChicago study is old and doesn’t look at current practices. Not sure if that’s true, but that’s your answer.
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It's unsurprising that Garica refuses to take a position on anything.
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Vallas proposes ‘second Burnham plan’ to rebuild neighborhoods, reverse population loss

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“It is critical in this moment that we do not divert our attention from the real issue at the heart of so many of Chicago’s problems: the pervasive, historical neglect of Chicago’s most underserved communities, most particularly on the South and West Sides,” Vallas told the City Club of Chicago.
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...7ou-story.html

This pathetic obese dude is racist and of course endorsed by the CTU and socialists. This city is in real trouble if people like him and DSA fools like Rosana Rodriguez continue being elected.
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Johnson is not getting into the runoff. Vallas is pretty much a lock for it and I'm guessing either Lightfoot or Chuy gets in
Hope so. Johnson is the worst of all of them. And most should be nowhere near government.
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to no one's surprise, the tribune endorsed Vallas this morning.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opini...rvy-story.html
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