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Speaking of 4th and Hill, appears it's up for sale, with two development options being pitched: the 31-story, 428 unit tower in the most recent renderings, or a smaller, 7-story low-rise with 178 units. The latter would be a huge mistake sitting right above a subway station entrance, and to be honest, I'd rather suffer a few changing of hands of the property - and a few more years of quesadillas from Taco House #1 - to develop this property at the correct density (re: higher).

Here's the listing on Colliers: https://platform.reverecre.com/proje...2-5118797b71c3
Thanks for the update, surprised they can't just proceed with what was already designed/planned.....Also, isn't there a moratorium on any 7 story monoliths being built in most of downtown? granted that was pre covid but i hope that rule remains especially over a subway stop.
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Thanks for the update, surprised they can't just proceed with what was already designed/planned.....Also, isn't there a moratorium on any 7 story monoliths being built in most of downtown? granted that was pre covid but i hope that rule remains especially over a subway stop.
When was there a moratorium? I don’t recall hearing that and I don’t see that it’s proposed in the new zoning code. A new seven story just broke ground a few weeks back on Hill Street in South Park.
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Random shot of Fig & Pico Moxy hotel as I got off the bus lol. Moxy sign is up and they started using the banner ad space on Pico in the last couple weeks as well.
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Random shot of Fig & Pico Moxy hotel as I got off the bus lol. Moxy sign is up and they started using the banner ad space on Pico in the last couple weeks as well.
Cool pic! The clouds really make for dramatic photos. Also, you captured the Beaudry in the frame!
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Drove by the Moxy/AC hotel yesterday and think it's a big miss where they placed the Moxy sign. The AC sign looks great where it is in the corner facing west on the glass, but they should have placed the Moxy sign on the side of the mechanical penthouse bulkhead. Where it is currently is way too close to the top of the glass and doesn't give the logo enough breathing room (basic, BASIC design principles, people!), and it leaves the bulkhead this blank, gray space, when it could be dressed up with a nice sign and lit up at night.
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Even after the onni apt proj is built at the SE corner of Hill St & Olympic, the corners across from & to the west of it will need to be filled in....there are other gaps visible in this vid as the youtuber walks north on Hill St:

https://youtu.be/IUzx-22YbTY?t=76

Why the Garfield bldg at the NW corner of 8th & Hill St is still a vacant 'eyesore' is puzzling to me. As with the equity residential proj further up the street, why nothing has been done to the garfield is a patience busting mystery. But at least the nearby commercial exchange bldg is now the freehand hotel. I still recall when that was another abandoned 'eyesore' in dt...it came with an old rusting neon sign of a long shutterd italian restaurant sitting above the bldg's ground level. Good times!:

https://youtu.be/IUzx-22YbTY?t=368


this is from 12 yrs ago....count em....12 years!:

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GARFIELD BUILDING

Location: 403 W. Eighth St.

Eyesore Factor: This 1929 building, designed by architect Claud Beelman (who also designed Downtown’s turquoise Eastern Columbia Building), is not only a city-designated Historic-Cultural Monument, but also occupies a slot on the National Register of Historic Places. The 12-story, Art Deco-style former office structure at the northwest corner of Eighth and Hill streets boasts unique visual flourishes, such as an ornate entrance awning with a sunburst pattern on its underside. Brothers Shlomo, Yoab and Sammy Botach, along with several partners, have owned the property since 1991. The building has remained vacant that entire time. A $10 million plan to convert it into housing was scrapped because of budget issues, said Sammy Botach.

What’s Next?: The owners plan to embark on a $6 million-$7 million renovation to make the property a functioning office building, Sammy Botach said, but there is no timeline.

this vid was posted in 2009...13 yrs ago!....

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The no go of the apt proj at 4th & Hill is less of a mystery since that devlpt from equity residential has been proposed for only 5 yrs. Or is it longer than that too?
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this gives a good look at a major route that leads to dtla & is driven on by thousands of ppl each day. Some of those ppl may also use the 9th st offramp. It's why I rate the Olympia proj between 9th St & Olympic, Fig & the 110 fwy as probably the most important site in dtla where new devlpt has been talked about. As for a hotel slated for a parking lot on 9th St....a proj that some ppl said had a design better fit for Phoenix....& the Salvation Army bldg, a DWP station, parking lots?

https://youtu.be/GulzHM8iHjw

^ that 9th st offramp is many ppl's first glimpse of dtla & it currently isn't ready for prime time. Both landowners & the city, such as the dwp, are responsible for that too. It's to that part of dt what the taco house #1 stand is to Hill St.

The corner of 4th St & Hill, where the equity residential apt tower was supposed to go up, & where the Angel's landing proj on the other side is to be built, is important because of it being around heavily visited locations like grand central mkt & Angel's flight across the street. But way more ppl per day probably glimpse the land where the olympia proj is talked about. But as with oceanwide, that too is dependent on a Chinese devlpr & funding from Chinese sources.

however, the Beacon apt bldg at 4th & Hill was sponsored by a company based in chicago, so unlike the Oceanwide proj on Fig, Equity residential didn't get even to the groundbreaking stage.

Come on, ppl, let's get crackin'!!!


EDIT: this youtuber focuses on the new video screens attached to the circa & Moxy hotel bldgs...


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btw, implying that youtube vids are somehow not a good way, or even the best way, to get across info....about dtla or other places....I've just watched a vid about problems in a major city in the PNW, posted in 2019, viewed by over 12,000,000 ppl....or over 12,000,000 times....with over 98,000 comments under it. I personally don't get much out of brief comments or short opinions, but over 98,000 ppl apparently do & don't mind posting that exact same way.

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I don't know exactly why property owners, devlprs, retailers, business tenants, residents, tourists, day trippers will or won't spend their time or money....or both...in dtla. But what this story in the facebook dtla town sq pg is all about likely doesn't exactly help build confidence in ppl investing their time & money.

Equity Residential out of chicago or Oceanwide Holdings out of beijing probably have financial or technical limitations that have nothing to do with problems in dtla. But all things being equal, it's better that dt not test the confidence of onlookers....of ppl who live in dt...who rent apts, shop in stores, go to the theater....ppl in the real estate industry. Ppl who own property in LA, investors, travelers, tourists & day trippers based in other parts of the LA basin too.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/DTLATownSquare/posts/2353623824795362/

^ Ppl in LA....in dtla....may not get super talls or see the greatest architecture...or projs without large parking podiums...or experience busy sidewalks & notice cranes all over the place...in dt for reasons that have nothing to do with day to day problems. Or with the red tape of LA city hall. But the slow rate of making changes to dtla also isn't going to be exactly helped by day to day issues.
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Why the Broadway Trade Center Isn’t Turning into a ‘Tech Hub’ After All

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Six months after announcing bold plans to renovate the derelict Broadway Trade Center building, it appears metaverse startup Emcee won’t turn the aging 1.1 million square-foot property into a “tech hub” any time soon.

The building is now headed towards foreclosure after the owner defaulted on a $221 million loan to retrofit it. This means we likely won’t see the “Emcee Studio,” a proposed multi-use space including a hotel, members-only rooftop pool, restaurant and coworking offices in the near future. The space will be boarded up and sold at a bankruptcy auction.

Emcee founder and CEO John Aghayan didn’t respond to dot.LA’s requests for comment.

“The owner was listening to ideas like [a] metaverse gaming hub but we all knew there [was] zero chance they were going to raise enough money to make the building habitable let alone be profitable,” said one local real estate manager familiar with the deal who wished to remain anonymous for fear of damaging their business. “Nobody in their right mind would invest in that building in DTLA,” the source added.

A brief history of the hulking, scaffolded building you’ve likely seen many times while traversing Downtown Los Angeles: The Beaux-Arts style property at 8th and Broadway was built in 1906 as Hamburger’s Department Store, and later became the May Co. headquarters after it changed ownership in 1925. The May family vacated their department store in the mid-1980s, and since then it’s become known as the Broadway Trade Center, existing in a state of limbo and increasing disrepair after being gutted two years ago. In 2014, New York-based real estate investment trust Waterbridge Capital bought the building for an estimated $130 million.

Waterbridge Capital is run by Joel Schreiber, one of the first investors in WeWork. He’s running the building under a joint venture LLC called Broadbridge. In 2016 he secured a nearly $165 million loan on the property, and another loan worth $213 million in 2018. Still, after all these refinanced loans, no one was able to move in.

Waterbridge Capital is also reportedly in talks to buy the Union Bank Plaza office building Downtown for $155 million. The company didn’t immediately reply to a request for comment.

A longtime L.A. broker who’s been following developments on Broadway for decades and requested anonymity to avoid business conflicts speculated the Emcee announcement some months back could have been an ill-fated tactic to stave off the inevitable foreclosure when refinancing the loans was no longer an option.

“I hate to say it, but it sounded like some kind of cockamamie sham put together to find more time with the lender,” the source said. They added that the foreclosure process could take up to 18 months, during which time the building will fall into even more disrepair and added they believed it’s not even worth half of the total loan amount.

Now the question is, what to do with this behemoth of an empty building?

The same sources told me the city government could buy it back for pennies on the dollar now, but then it’d be on the hook for making it habitable – both brokers told dot.LA the elevators aren’t even up to code, much less anything else. Also, it's got no parking lot, and parking’s a critical need for any large-use building Downtown, those sources said.

“Housing is our critical need right now,” the broker said. “But it’s just too big of a challenge. There’s no government agencies to do it [and] it’s a monster floor plan.”
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I wonder what type of business could go there and have the ability to invest in the building before it’s too late.
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It's a good question, and I don't know the answer. It's sad when a building is completely gutted and only the original facade remains, but that might be the only way to preserve this beautiful corner streetwall. Nobody builds Beaux-Arts facades like that anymore.
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I am glad it did not go the metaverse route, that was doomed to fail.
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This tower could easily fit 2-3 residential towers above the base, with groundfloor retail/food hall, and the other four floors as a mix of institutional and/or office space. The residential revenue would offset the risk of the office conversion and make it feasible. That would keep the facade and make better use of the space. Towers don't have to be tall, as you could easily fit 500-600 units in 2-3 30-40 story towers of varying massing. Get an architecture firm like Toronto's PARTISANS or Hariri Pontarini or international firms like 3XN or, if we're lucky, Foster & Partners, and this could be a really amazing development.
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This tower could easily fit 2-3 residential towers above the base, with groundfloor retail/food hall, and the other four floors as a mix of institutional and/or office space. The residential revenue would offset the risk of the office conversion and make it feasible. That would keep the facade and make better use of the space. Towers don't have to be tall, as you could easily fit 500-600 units in 2-3 30-40 story towers of varying massing. Get an architecture firm like Toronto's PARTISANS or Hariri Pontarini or international firms like 3XN or, if we're lucky, Foster & Partners, and this could be a really amazing development.
Agreed--it's hard to tell in the photos, but this one building covers an entire downtown block. It would be very easy to keep the facade and incorporate it into two or three high rise towers built at the corners.
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It's a good question, and I don't know the answer. It's sad when a building is completely gutted and only the original facade remains, but that might be the only way to preserve this beautiful corner streetwall. Nobody builds Beaux-Arts facades like that anymore.
Not that everyone on here would be interested, but a SoHo House would be perfect. It could have their hotel component.
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This tower could easily fit 2-3 residential towers above the base, with groundfloor retail/food hall, and the other four floors as a mix of institutional and/or office space. The residential revenue would offset the risk of the office conversion and make it feasible. That would keep the facade and make better use of the space. Towers don't have to be tall, as you could easily fit 500-600 units in 2-3 30-40 story towers of varying massing. Get an architecture firm like Toronto's PARTISANS or Hariri Pontarini or international firms like 3XN or, if we're lucky, Foster & Partners, and this could be a really amazing development.
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This tower could easily fit 2-3 residential towers above the base, with groundfloor retail/food hall, and the other four floors as a mix of institutional and/or office space. The residential revenue would offset the risk of the office conversion and make it feasible. That would keep the facade and make better use of the space. Towers don't have to be tall, as you could easily fit 500-600 units in 2-3 30-40 story towers of varying massing. Get an architecture firm like Toronto's PARTISANS or Hariri Pontarini or international firms like 3XN or, if we're lucky, Foster & Partners, and this could be a really amazing development.
Under that scenario, parking seems like it would be even more of an issue than it already is.
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Under that scenario, parking seems like it would be even more of an issue than it already is.
It's a massive building, an entire city block. The floorplates are likely too huge to fit modern uses--seriously, check it out on Google maps. I'm sure a developer could fit parking into any new development there, perhaps in the center of the block, or underground (or both).
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The goal would be to keep parking to a minimum, which could be done in floors 2-4 of the existing structure with some retrofitting for the live weight of the cars, leaving room for less creative office and/or residential amenities on Floor 5, before you get to your tower floors above. Question on this: is 826 S. Hill part of this project, or separate?
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This tower could easily fit 2-3 residential towers above the base, with groundfloor retail/food hall, and the other four floors as a mix of institutional and/or office space. The residential revenue would offset the risk of the office conversion and make it feasible. That would keep the facade and make better use of the space. Towers don't have to be tall, as you could easily fit 500-600 units in 2-3 30-40 story towers of varying massing. Get an architecture firm like Toronto's PARTISANS or Hariri Pontarini or international firms like 3XN or, if we're lucky, Foster & Partners, and this could be a really amazing development.
I agree 1000% and for any other buildings along broadway in the same situation. Keep the facade, the interiors of a lot of buildings have already been gutted. Hollow them out and add residential towers and hotels.

Meanwhile the city (at this point lets be real, LAZY city leaders) have found a solution to house the homeless. By placing them into empty hotels rooms every night. Whatever hotel room that isn't booked by 9pm, homeless will be allowed to utilize. Talk about scaring tourists away and other issues (destruction of property, bed bugs, drugs and alcohol). I swear Angelenos must do better. At this point its time to vote a different route.

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When was there a moratorium? I don’t recall hearing that and I don’t see that it’s proposed in the new zoning code. A new seven story just broke ground a few weeks back on Hill Street in South Park.
This was YEARS ago, back before the Huizar mess and the WG was still under construction. I believe Huizar was the one to bring it up. It just temporarily blocked new 7 story monoliths in immediate downtown. We went from getting a 7-story proposed twice a month to just one or 2 a year. Partial reason why Palmer slowed down his crusade of faux monoliths. Those parking lots in south park are sitting empty for a reason lol. Was looking for the article but anything Huizar related seems to have disappeared if it's not about corruption.

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