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Old Posted Jul 9, 2021, 10:34 PM
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As an example, the main reason that our airlines haven't all gone belly up is because the government stepped in to rescue them. If there is another severe slowdown in travel, I'm not sure that they'll get the same level of support.
Not so: Delta and Southwest at least probably had the cash to weather the storm and, had the government NOT "helped them" would have come out the other end looking really great with almost no competitors.

The government really helped the flying public more than at least those 2 airlines by keeping the others in business to provide competition in fares.

Have you noticed the government never did "help" the cruise lines and they are still all in existence with, they claim, stronger bookings than before the pandemic.
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I'm pretty proud of my little blueish purple part of a reddish purple state:

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Pima County at 70% vaccination rate
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Jul 9, 2021 Updated 6 hrs ago

Pima County achieved a vaccination milestone on Thursday, with 70 percent of the adult population having received at least one dose, according to the CDC’s vaccination dashboard.

CDC data also showed 61.7 percent of those 18 and up have been fully vaccinated.

Other findings included that over 90 percent of those 65 and older in the county have had at least one dose and 67.5 percent of children 12 and up received at least one dose.

The county is still encouraging those who have not been vaccinated to roll up their sleeves.

While breakthrough cases, or COVID-19 infections that occur after someone is fully vaccinated, are rare, they do happen. As of early last week, there have been 401 breakthrough cases among the total 535,000 fully vaccinated Pima County residents.
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67.5% of children 12 and up is particularly good. In much of the US it's so far more like 25%. And "over 90%" of seniors is comparable to deep blue San Francisco.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2021, 9:04 AM
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The variants may be a joke to some of you but Wall Street started panicing today at the possibility that the business renaissance could be slowed or halted due to government reactions to the delta strain.
FIFY

Obviously if it causes restrictions to be reimposed that’s bad. But it’s the reaction not the disease that is the issue, really.
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The US won't tolerate more lockdowns and are largely done with masks. I see very few people wearing them. Even in places like Vermont and Massachusetts.
I don’t even wear one on the tube anymore. More and more people aren’t.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2021, 1:55 PM
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FIFY

Obviously if it causes restrictions to be reimposed that’s bad. But it’s the reaction not the disease that is the issue, really.
Yep

Despite overwhelming evidence that the vaccines have turned the virus, including all of its variants into a veritable common cold, some morons are still treating this thing like it’s a killer plague and monitoring it like one would monitor enemy troops during war.

A total shutdown in reason and logic.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2021, 2:00 PM
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I don’t even wear one on the tube anymore. More and more people aren’t.
UK in point.

Cases have reached a new peak, meanwhile deaths remain rock bottom

Is that enough to convince the fear-porn-media-pharmaceutical industrial complex? Nooooo…. Pfizer is now going to make more billions selling its modified Delta variant vaccine that nobody needs.

Unless real cold, hard data shows me that any new variant is a substantial threat to my health and life beyond what a Flu does to you, I don’t plan to get any modified vaccines to this virus. I am the most pro-vaccine advocate you will ever meet, but even I am growing wary and suspicious of what’s happening. They are trying to press us into a perpetual cycle of shot/new variant/new shot/new variant, etc. Not sure I’m down with that program.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2021, 2:30 PM
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Unless real cold, hard data shows me that any new variant is a substantial threat to my health and life beyond what a Flu does to you, I don’t plan to get any modified vaccines to this virus. I am the most pro-vaccine advocate you will ever meet, but even I am growing wary and suspicious of what’s happening. They are trying to press us into a perpetual cycle of shot/new variant/new shot/new variant, etc. Not sure I’m down with that program.
Don't we need yearly flu vaccines for new strains that constantly emerge?

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I don’t even wear one on the tube anymore. More and more people aren’t.
The only time I've worn a mask over the past few months is to fly and they are hard asses about it.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2021, 3:33 PM
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Don't we need yearly flu vaccines for new strains that constantly emerge?
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^ They are recommended, yes.

But do you recall the media and Governments obsessing over this, tracking daily cases, naming each and every new variant, and then reporting them every single day to the wider public who mostly does not understand how to interpret said information?

Rational minds need to control the conversation here and remind people that if you're vaccinated, you can live life normally, variants or not. This "the variants are coming!" is the most disingenuous, toxic, perhaps even nefariously motivated cesspool of nonsense I've seen any time recently. It needs to stop.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2021, 3:54 PM
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I'll finally get my 1st Pfizer injection next Friday. Not too soon, huh.
2nd injection is scheduled on 08/11. I just need to be up to date for September, when summer is done.

Right now, it's a bit of a struggle to get an appointment in vaccination centers because they've been overbooked here.
At this point, I'm outright in favor of compulsory vaccination for everyone, except of course for people suffering from peculiar allergy, but that's only a small part of the population.

Experts say it's the only way to get rid of the pandemic. If we're not vaccinated, we'll keep on spreading the virus, that's likely to cause more aggressive and harmful variants.
So vaccination is a mere duty for everybody. Again, it simply should be compulsory.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2021, 4:31 PM
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Well, I'm thankful of this:

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The Illinois Department of Public Health said today it will follow the CDC guidance for Illinois schools. State education Superintendent Carmen Ayala said in a statement that Illinois is mandating in-person K-12 classes for the 2021-22 academic year, with limited exceptions. Remote instruction be available for students who cannot or have not gotten a COVID vaccine, only while they are under quarantine.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2021, 4:33 PM
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I'll finally get my 1st Pfizer injection next Friday. Not too soon, huh.
2nd injection is scheduled on 08/11. I just need to be up to date for September, when summer is done.

Right now, it's a bit of a struggle to get an appointment in vaccination centers because they've been overbooked here.
At this point, I'm outright in favor of compulsory vaccination for everyone, except of course for people suffering from peculiar allergy, but that's only a small part of the population.

Experts say it's the only way to get rid of the pandemic. If we're not vaccinated, we'll keep on spreading the virus, that's likely to cause more aggressive and harmful variants.
So vaccination is a mere duty for everybody. Again, it simply should be compulsory.
Don't make any plans for 08/12.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2021, 5:35 PM
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UK in point.

Cases have reached a new peak, meanwhile deaths remain rock bottom

Is that enough to convince the fear-porn-media-pharmaceutical industrial complex? Nooooo…. Pfizer is now going to make more billions selling its modified Delta variant vaccine that nobody needs.

Unless real cold, hard data shows me that any new variant is a substantial threat to my health and life beyond what a Flu does to you, I don’t plan to get any modified vaccines to this virus. I am the most pro-vaccine advocate you will ever meet, but even I am growing wary and suspicious of what’s happening. They are trying to press us into a perpetual cycle of shot/new variant/new shot/new variant, etc. Not sure I’m down with that program.
Exactly. The UK numbers right now are an extraordinary snapshot of the vaccines working exactly as they were planned. Many unvaccinated people catching this thing are likely younger people that will recover. The people who are most susceptible have mostly likely been vaccinated >90%, hence you see nearly zero deaths.

Pretty interesting from a scientific/statistical analysis perspective.
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^ They are recommended, yes.

But do you recall the media and Governments obsessing over this, tracking daily cases, naming each and every new variant, and then reporting them every single day to the wider public who mostly does not understand how to interpret said information?

Rational minds need to control the conversation here and remind people that if you're vaccinated, you can live life normally, variants or not. This "the variants are coming!" is the most disingenuous, toxic, perhaps even nefariously motivated cesspool of nonsense I've seen any time recently. It needs to stop.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2021, 6:41 PM
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The sidewalks of some streets have disappeared in Paris
I find these temporary things on the streets to be a bit messy. It makes us look like a silly Mediterranean seaside resort with their cheap camping sites all over the freaking place, except we don't have the Med sea out here.

I miss the pre-COVID genuine look of local cafés and restaurants. They usually do better than this to the streetscape on Spring and Summer.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2021, 7:24 PM
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I don’t even wear one on the tube anymore. More and more people aren’t.
Which, of course, is among the reasons why the cases in the UK are rising. Nothing to boast about.
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Old Posted Jul 10, 2021, 7:28 PM
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Exactly. The UK numbers right now are an extraordinary snapshot of the vaccines working exactly as they were planned. Many unvaccinated people catching this thing are likely younger people that will recover. The people who are most susceptible have mostly likely been vaccinated >90%, hence you see nearly zero deaths.

Pretty interesting from a scientific/statistical analysis perspective.
Certainly the vaccines are working. But the case numbers are higher than they need to be among the unvaccinated for whatever reason because the same idiots who aren't vaccinated also aren't wearing masks when they should. And before you say you have no sympathy for them--I don't either--it's just sad for them that they are doubly ignorant. The fact is they SHOULD be wearing masks. And as a side effect, we might have fewer "break-through" cases also if they did.
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Strong U.S. Recovery Aids Growth in Canada, Mexico
By Kim Mackrael and Anthony Harrup
July 10, 2021 5:30 am ET

The U.S. economy is so strong that its neighbors, too, are getting a boost.

Businesses and consumers are buying more products from Canada and Mexico, and Americans flush with savings are going back to traveling and sending more money across the southern border, helping to bolster two countries whose economies were hit hard by Covid-19 infections and lockdowns.

Central bank officials have raised their forecasts for economic growth this year to 6% for Mexico and 6.5% in Canada, in part because of the strong U.S. rebound. The $1.9 trillion U.S. stimulus plan enacted in March is expected to increase each country’s output by between half a percentage point and a full percentage point over a 12-month period, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

Much of the increase is due to the strong demand for everything from Canadian lobster to Mexican-made cars that is being generated as the U.S. economy reopens and consumers spend more of the cash they accumulated during the pandemic. U.S. imports from Mexico and Canada were up 30% and 29%, respectively, during the first five months of this year compared with the same period in 2020, and were around 3% and 5% above their 2019 levels, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

The U.S. has “a lot of fiscal stimulus under way and more spending on infrastructure in the pipeline,” Bank of Canada deputy governor Timothy Lane said during a press conference last month. “All of that is generally going to be favorable for Canada.”

Citing progress in the economic recovery, Canada’s central bank in April scaled back its bond-buying program to 3 billion Canadian dollars, equivalent to $2.4 billion, in purchases each week from the previous level of C$4 billion. The Bank of Canada also pulled forward its assessment of when it might start raising interest rates again, to the second half of 2022, after earlier saying that could happen in 2023.

The Bank of Mexico raised its benchmark interest rate by a quarter percentage point to 4.25% on June 24 to counter a rise in inflation that resulted partly from price pressures associated with supply-chain bottlenecks . . . .

Some multinational companies have announced new investments in Mexico. Food and consumer-products company Unilever PLC plans to invest around $275 million in the next three years to expand capacity at its four production plants in Mexico . . . .

In eastern Canada, lobster processors are among those reaping the benefits of a reopened U.S. economy, with frozen lobster meat and tails fetching some of their highest prices on record . . . .

Roughly two-thirds of the lobster processed by association members is exported to the U.S. in a typical year, and . . . that proportion could increase this year given that buyers in the U.S. seem more willing to pay this season’s high prices than do customers in Europe and Asia.

Higher prices for crude oil, brought on by the U.S. and global recoveries, are also helping the Canadian economy.

In Alberta, where most of Canada’s crude-oil production is concentrated, there is growing optimism that higher prices will lead to more capital investment, said Jeffrey Sundquist, head of the chamber of commerce in the western province’s capital city of Edmonton.

Dwayne Sample, chief executive officer of Argus Machine Co. in Edmonton, which makes equipment used in oil and gas drilling, said his company has hired back about 35 of the 60 employees it laid off during the pandemic as sales began to pick up this year. However, he said many producers still aren’t buying drilling equipment because they are focused instead on paying off high debt levels or extracting oil from wells they already drilled . . . .

The Bank of Canada has warned that the strong Canadian dollar—buoyed in part by higher commodity prices—could eventually create a headwind for some manufacturing exporters. Supply-chain problems, such as a shortage of semiconductors needed in automotive manufacturing, are also holding back the Canadian and Mexican automotive industries.

Although the Canadian border remains closed to most nonresidents, travel to Mexico is picking up, providing another source of growth for the Mexican economy. In the January through April period, 2.3 million American tourists flew into Mexico, almost as many as in the first four months of 2020, with the resorts of Cancún and Los Cabos the most popular destinations. They accounted for 76% of the total foreign visitors who arrived by air.

Mexican remittances rose 22% in the first five months of the year and could grow further as the U.S. reopens activities that were closed or restricted in 2020, since many migrant workers are employed in services such as hotels and restaurants.
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As I've been saying, it ain't over until it's over and it ain't over. Those of you sneering at people wanting to maximize their own safety by wearing masks should be ashamed of yourselves. No harm is being done to you except the obvious disagreement with you smugness:


https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/a...s-16304635.php
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Ped give it up



This whole thing is over


And I swear to what ever



If the adults in the room ever let this kind of global lockdown ever happen again I would be sad more than sad








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Old Posted Jul 11, 2021, 2:39 AM
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As I've been saying, it ain't over until it's over and it ain't over. Those of you sneering at people wanting to maximize their own safety by wearing masks should be ashamed of yourselves. No harm is being done to you except the obvious disagreement with you smugness:


https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/a...s-16304635.php
The Common cold ain’t over either, genius....
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