Phoenix Area Stadium and Arena News - Page 24

Phxguy · #**461** Posted **May 5, 2021, 7:29 AM**

Can we dust off 'the Pin' proposal and attach it to the stadium and get some CN Tower vibes??

ASUSunDevil · #**462** Posted **May 5, 2021, 5:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Phxguy

Can we dust off 'the Pin' proposal and attach it to the stadium and get some CN Tower vibes??

Now you're talking! I refuse to believe that The Pin never gets built

azliam · #**463** Posted **May 5, 2021, 5:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by ASUSunDevil

Now you're talking! I refuse to believe that The Pin never gets built

That ugly thing looks like a water tower

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https://newatlas.com/phoenix-observa...wer-pin/26176/

https://www.lakegenevanews.net/news/...3f1db8ccf.html

I still prefer something like this if it looked like a phoenix rising and lit up with red lights at night that rose from the bottom to the top

https://www.archdaily.com/24089/zaab...n-architecture

biggus diggus · #**464** Posted **May 5, 2021, 6:10 PM**

Definitely reminds me of illinois farm towns. Anyone who has spent time in the midwest knows what az liam is talking about.

soled · #**465** Posted **May 5, 2021, 6:13 PM**

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Yes, this idea would be cool.

YourBuddy · #**466** Posted **May 5, 2021, 6:33 PM**

Well now I can’t not see a water tower. I do think the spiral is cool.

KingLouieLouie76 · #**467** Posted **May 6, 2021, 5:12 AM**

Yes, whatever renovations in and around the stadium definitely must consist of something EXTREMELY iconic and genuinely represents both AZ/Phoenix and that "spiral" design would be ideal but obviously don't know if that is feasible.

Again, I'm certain Kendrick, Derrick Hall, and the rest of the brass involved already have a blue-print (renderings) and a plan involving the land around the stadium and what is at their disposal to come up with that projected $500 million price tag and also enough assurances to even remotely consider this scenario or else they would be wasting everyone's time.

The garages should definitely be repurposed. Perhaps another possibility is that the Coyotes and their ownership could possibly relocate back to downtown Phoenix and somehow align themselves with the Dbacks in having their arena along with Chase Field in some manner. That would definitely be a win-win situation!

ASU Diablo · #**468** Posted **May 6, 2021, 3:26 PM**

More revenue coming in for the DBacks and will be occupying the formal Game 7 Grill space.

https://arizonasports.com/story/2642...sbook-caesars/

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The deal is valued around $60 million-$70 million, according to the publication. Caesars is expected to launch a mobile betting app in Arizona before the NFL season, having just acquired the retail and mobile William Hill U.S. betting services last month.

The new sportsbook, which will be open year-round, is expected to occupy a two-level sports bar, Game 7 Grill, that can be accessed from the street and is currently operated by Levy Restaurants.

KingLouieLouie76 · #**469** Posted **May 6, 2021, 4:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo

More revenue coming in for the DBacks and will be occupying the formal Game 7 Grill space.

https://arizonasports.com/story/2642...sbook-caesars/

You beat me to it! I wonder if there soon will be a downtown Phoenix casino and around Chase Field and Phoenix Suns Arena? That would be ideal!

ASU Diablo · #**470** Posted **May 6, 2021, 4:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by KingLouieLouie76

You beat me to it! I wonder if there soon will be a downtown Phoenix casino and around Chase Field and Phoenix Suns Arena? That would be ideal!

Why would we need a casino in downtown? Doesn't make sense. Are you even able to build a casino in non-tribal land? Not sure what changed with the new tribal gaming compact.

exit2lef · #**471** Posted **May 6, 2021, 4:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo

Why would we need a casino in downtown? Doesn't make sense. Are you even able to build a casino in non-tribal land? Not sure what changed with the new tribal gaming compact.

Yes, sports betting is now legal in certain other situations:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/mone...rk/7205875002/

biggus diggus · #**472** Posted **May 6, 2021, 4:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by KingLouieLouie76

You beat me to it! I wonder if there soon will be a downtown Phoenix casino and around Chase Field and Phoenix Suns Arena? That would be ideal!

Ideal for whom?

ASU Diablo · #**473** Posted **May 6, 2021, 5:38 PM**

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Yes, sports betting is now legal in certain other situations:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/mone...rk/7205875002/

I know sports betting is legal now which is why I linked the story to the DBacks partnering with Caesars for a sports book. My question is more around can an actual physical casino can be built outside of tribal land?

locolife · #**474** Posted **May 6, 2021, 7:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo

Why would we need a casino in downtown? Doesn't make sense. Are you even able to build a casino in non-tribal land? Not sure what changed with the new tribal gaming compact.

I don't think it's allowed but why would it not make sense? It's just another entertainment destination right?

locolife · #**475** Posted **May 6, 2021, 7:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo

I know sports betting is legal now which is why I linked the story to the DBacks partnering with Caesars for a sports book. My question is more around can an actual physical casino can be built outside of tribal land?

Well my first response was no but look at how they went about getting the casino built near westgate, I don't know the ins and outs of it but somehow the tribe was able to trade for that prime property if I remember correctly.

ASU Diablo · #**476** Posted **May 6, 2021, 10:46 PM**

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Well my first response was no but look at how they went about getting the casino built near westgate, I don't know the ins and outs of it but somehow the tribe was able to trade for that prime property if I remember correctly.

Desert Diamond Casino is an extremely rare situation and arose from Tohono O'odham Nation seeking "an equivalent amount of land as reservation space, as long as the land is not within corporate limits of a town" due to the Federal government flooding thousands of acres of reservation land. Casino's history found in this article:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...line/29280293/

Anyways, I would rather have these areas around the ballpark grow organically and have the 2 sports books to just walk over and hang out versus having a casino right smack in downtown. Regardless, this convo is moot since casinos are not allowed to be built "within corporate limits of a town".

combusean · #**477** Posted **May 6, 2021, 11:14 PM**

I could see Phoenix de-annexing a parcel if they wanted to if such a process were allowed under ARS. I just don't see that fitting the image of what the city wants downtown.

YourBuddy · #**478** Posted **May 6, 2021, 11:15 PM**

I’m not a casino type. I think there are more valuable attractions in an entertainment/sports district. A sports book I could see in the hotel they are talking about on the SW corner of 7th and Jefferson. Something kind of like the new circa hotel in DT Las Vegas, but looking over chase field.

The most recent Atari hotel concept would be my preference for something like that. No casino, but give them the convention center lot to re-develop.

exit2lef · #**479** Posted **May 6, 2021, 11:24 PM**

The downtown casinos I've seen in places like New Orleans and Detroit don't do much to enliven the city center. Casinos make money when their guests lose all sense of time and the outside world. That's why they seldom have windows or clocks on the wall. The result is that you have drive-in/drive-out clientele who often don't venture beyond the casino to support nearby businesses or increase foot traffic on nearby streets.

locolife · #**480** Posted **May 7, 2021, 6:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by exit2lef

The downtown casinos I've seen in places like New Orleans and Detroit don't do much to enliven the city center. Casinos make money when their guests lose all sense of time and the outside world. That's why they seldom have windows or clocks on the wall. The result is that you have drive-in/drive-out clientele who often don't venture beyond the casino to support nearby businesses or increase foot traffic on nearby streets.

Yeah, I’ve been to one in Detroit and it wasn’t anything to get excited about. But maybe a resort/entertainment/hotel/casino could be different. Not my ideal either but Vegas certainly had plenty of foot traffic but those aren’t your Detroit style casinos. I don’t see it happening either but it’s fun to think about.