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Just from some planning, but if they ever got this kind of density built over and around the yards, it would be among one of the greatest accomplishments in the City.




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You know I've been wondering, as I've been following these East Side Access construction updates from the Sunnyside Yards construction, is the MTA even casually planning for or accounting for the potential locations of deck and foundation locations in the yard if these SY vision proposals ever move into fruition?
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You know I've been wondering, as I've been following these East Side Access construction updates from the Sunnyside Yards construction, is the MTA even casually planning for or accounting for the potential locations of deck and foundation locations in the yard if these SY vision proposals ever move into fruition?

This is a good idea on the thinking so far...


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2017 Feasibility Study: Is it technically feasible to deck over Sunnyside Yard?

The Sunnyside Yard Feasibility Study, released in February 2017, was the first comprehensive analysis to understand the technical feasibility of decking over active rail and related facilities in Sunnyside Yard. The study found that decking and construction is feasible in the majority of the yard, with approximately 15 to 20 percent infeasible, predominantly over the highly trafficked Main Line. The study tested several hypothetical scenarios and identified certain sections of the yard that are ideal for different types of buildings and others for a range of parks, roads, and open spaces.

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I'm sure everything is being taken into account by the planning team.


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Through the drafting of a Master Plan, the City and Amtrak will work with local and regional stakeholders to develop a vision and framework to guide investments and address the needs of the adjacent growing neighborhoods, borough, city, and region.

The Master Planning process will focus on developing a vision and planning framework that will guide the incremental steps of a potential long-term overbuild development. While it will build on the technical findings of the feasibility study released early last year, the master planning process is an opportunity for stakeholders to take a fresh look at opportunities.
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Sunnyside Yard Steering Committee, hosted by Deputy Mayor for Housing and Economic Development Alicia Glen and Amtrak Chairman Anthony Coscia:

Co-Chairs:

Sharon Greenberger – President and CEO of the YMCA of Greater New York
Elizabeth Lusskin – President of the Long Island City Partnership

Members:

Angela Pinsky – Executive Director, Association for Better New York
April Simpson – President, Queensbridge NYCHA Tenants Association
Bob LaCroix – Retired, Amtrak
Carlo Scissura – President and CEO, Building Congress
Dean Devita- Secretary-Treasurer, National Conference of Firemen & Oilers
Deborah Alexander – Co-President, Community Education Council 30
Denise Keehan-Smith – Chair, Community Board 2
Elizabeth Erion and Gerry Caliendo – Land Use Committee Chairs, Community Board 1
Felix Ciampa – Executive Director, Urban Land Institute New York
Gail Mellow – President, LaGuardia Community College
Gary LaBarbera – President, Building and Construction Trades Council
George Stamatiades – President, Dutch Kills Civic Association
Holly Leicht – EVP, Real Estate and Planning, Empire State Development
Jaime-Faye Bean – Executive Director, Sunnyside Shines BID
Janno N. Lieber – Chief Development Officer, MTA
Jonathan Bowles – Executive Director, Center for an Urban Future
Judy Zangwill – Executive Director, Sunnyside Community Services
Lisa Deller – Land Use Committee Chair, Community Board 2
Lynne Sagalyn – Professor, Columbia University
Marie Torniali – President, Steinway Astoria Partnership BID
Mary Ceruti – Executive Director and Chief Curator, SculptureCenter
Melissa Orlando – Executive Director and Founder, Access Queens
Mitchell Moss – Director of Rudin Center, NYU
Pedro Gomez – President, Court Square Civic
Sheila Lewandowski – Member, LIC Cultural Alliance
Sylvia White – Co-Chair, Justice for All Coalition
Thomas J. Grech – President & Chief Executive Officer, Queens Chamber of Commerce
Tom Wright – President, Regional Plan Association

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Master Planning Consultant Team:

Led by Practice for Architecture and Urbanism (PAU), the multidisciplinary consultant team includes:

-Thornton Tomasetti (Structural Engineering)
-HNTB (Rail Engineering)
-Sam Schwartz Engineering (Mobility Planning & Engineering)
-Langan (Environmental Planning, Geotech, & Civil Engineering)
-Nelson Byrd Woltz (Landscape Architecture)
-Assess+RE (Financial Modeling)
-CBRE (Market Analysis)
-Dharam (Costing & Risk)
-Municap (Public Finance)
-Urbane (Stakeholder Engagement)
-Carlo Ratti Associati (Futurist)
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I just hope they unify the street grid, so it would seamlessly connect the neighborhoods, and not just have this weird formless master-planned blob shape.
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Friday, March 1, 2019 6:00 PM there is a public meeting/work shop for Sunnyside Yards.

Events: https://www.sunnysideyard.nyc/events...onal-workshops
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I'm convinced that the public is too dumb to be involved in any planning process, but good luck.



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City Presents Sunnyside Yards as An ‘Enormous Opportunity’, Many Remain Unconvinced


March 31, 2019
By Christian Murray


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Hundreds of residents packed out P.S. 166 in Astoria last Tuesday to provide their feedback on what they would like to see—or not see—on the 180-acre Sunnyside Yard.

The three-hour meeting was organized by the NYC Economic Development Corporation and Amtrak as they look to seek the public’s input as they create a masterplan for the massive site.

They presented the development of the yard as a generational opportunity, where the site could be used for open space, affordable housing, community facilities and commercial industry.

Meanwhile, as the meeting began, members of the anti-gentrification group Queens Neighborhoods United were handing out flyers entitled, “Raising Questions About Sunnyside Yard.”
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The masterplan, which is expected to be completed by the end of the year, will result in a framework that details all aspects of the development for decades to come, including the various phases and timelines. About 80 percent of the site can be developed, according to the EDC’s 2017 feasibility study.

Despite fears of imminent development among the skeptics, the EDC tried to reduce those anxieties by saying that the plan is for future generations and nothing was happening soon.

“At this point we are focused on creating a collaborative vision, a master planning process through the end of the year,” said Cali Williams, director of Sunnyside Yard for the EDC. “Any future development is not imminent. There is no set plan. We are working on developing a plan together and before any development happens there would need to be approvals…so we are years away from construction.”
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Statements like these didn’t placate many attendees’ fears. The fact, according to some, that the EDC is working on a master plan is indicative that something big is coming. One attendee from Sunnyside asked the EDC why the city wasn’t investing in existing neighborhoods that lacked infrastructure as opposed to creating a new one.

Williams shot back.

“I think it’s important while planning for improvements in existing infrastructure to also be thinking long-term,” she said. “Sunnyside Yards provides an opportunity to think about what local stakeholders … need in the near-term as well as future generations.”
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Vishaan Chakrabarti, the leader of the project’s master planning consulting team and the founder of Practice for Architecture and Urbanism, gave a run-down of the possibilities that could be done with the site.

Chakrabarti said that the yard has enormous potential.

“It’s the largest available site in New York and in the center of the region. It is well connected to the airports, right for world class institutions…but on a local level could provide major public space, jobs and affordable housing.”

He discussed some of the challenges. For instance, to deck over the yards, a platform would have to be built over the tracks that would need to be 30 to 35 feet in height in order for the trains to clear—equating to at three stories. Connections would then have to be made from the platform to surrounding streets and done so in a way to integrate them with adjacent neighborhoods.

Any project would be done in phases, Chakrabarti said, and it is difficult to tell what areas of the Yard would be built up first.

He said from an urban planning and design standpoint it would make sense to start at the Long Island City core, but from a rail engineering standpoint the eastern section of the yard would be less complex.

The development may not involve a series of 30 to 40 story towers, as was presented in the 2017 feasibility study. Chakrabarti said that they are looking to explore buildings that would rise 6 to 15 stories in a more tabletop layout.
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Chakrabarti said they have had a lot of positive feedback since May 2018 when the master plan process began, with a strong focus being on affordable housing, public space and added infrastructure.

“To be fair there are people who have said don’t do anything with the yard–but we have many people who have said: ‘We need affordable housing, we need fixes to our infrastructure, we need jobs, we need open space.”

The EDC plans to host four public workshops on the masterplan in April and May, with more to be held in over the summer. There will also be two more public meets scheduled this year.
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City guides Sunnyside Yard review in increasingly progressive Queens

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A few miles east of where a progressive wave in Queens has swamped a proposed housing and retail development, city officials are gathering final community feedback on a development plan for a lot six times larger than Hudson Yards.

That would be Sunnyside Yard, the 180-acre train yard where the city believes a deck could allow the building of thousands of apartments.


City Limits published an update of the planning process for the site Wednesday. The team of roughly two dozen planners, community members and consultants that the city Economic Development Corp. convened to review the project are about two-thirds through the 18-month development of a master plan.

The city expects the master plan to provide more detailed options for how to build a deck over the majority of the western Queens rail yard. A 2017 feasibility study from the city estimated that the land could host 24,000 apartments, along with schools, parks and other infrastructure, for a cost of about $19 billion. That could take a half-century or more to fully build. The city has said it wants a long-term plan in place to ensure that Amtrak, which owns most of the yard, can take the blueprint into consideration as it upgrades its own facilities.

EDC officials have made an effort to hear out residents, including launching an informational session and hosting public listening sessions and workshops. Those events have been well attended, City Limits noted, with residents pushing for 100% affordable-housing and low- to mid-rise buildings for any new development on the land.

But some prominent Queens politicians are questioning whether residents will be heard. Both Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer and a spokesperson for Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez were critical of the outreach efforts in interviews with the publication.

“I don’t like what EDC is proposing for Sunnyside Yard,” Van Bramer told City Limits. “There are certainly listening sessions run by EDC, but it remains to be seen if people are really being heard.”

The city has described the project as the chance for a critical capital investment in a borough expected to grow by 80,000 people in the next 20 years. The EDC plans to host another public meeting sometime in the fall, with the master plan published in the winter.
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The notion that it could take 50 years or more to complete is absurd. At most, the entire build out should take 20.
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https://sunnysidepost.com/new-yorks-...monday-meeting

City’s EDC Releases Sunnyside Yard Design Concepts at Monday Meeting




Sept. 17, 2019
By Shane O’Brien


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The Economic Development Corporation put forward a number of plans for the 180-acre site. They included a sprawling 60-acre parks system; residential and business districts; roads and bikes lanes; and a new Sunnyside train station, which would serve as a transport hub connecting western Queens with the wider region.
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The masterplan, which is expected to be completed by the end of the year, will provide a framework that underpins all aspects of the development for decades to come, including the various phases and timelines.

There are plans for a centralized greenway running the length of the Sunnyside Yard project and a large park at the Long Island City end of the yard. The EDC also hopes to double the size of Lou Lodati Park in Sunnyside and add several smaller parks around the perimeter of the Yard.
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Vishaan Chakrabarti, the leader of the project’s master planning consulting team, said that the EDC wanted to install a variety of parks, including recreational parks featuring basketball courts and other sports as well as family space.

The EDC also provided details for a road grid at Monday’s meeting. The city plans to develop identically sized blocks and a number of different types of thoroughfares at Sunnyside Yard.

There are plans for shared streets for cars, cyclists and pedestrians as well as plans for the centralized greenway. The shared streets would have a maximum speed limit of 5-10 mph.
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There is also a plan to install a corridor on either side of the yard. The corridors would run the length of the yard and connect existing regions in Long Island City and Sunnyside. They would also be used for bus routes.

The EDC plans to develop a train station, which would potentially be serviced by Amtrak, LIRR and Metro North.
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The EDC has also developed plans for several retail and office hubs on the yard. The draft plan places offices close to existing job clusters and mass transportation in Long Island City and along Northern Boulevard.

Chakrabarti said that the majority of buildings in Sunnyside Yard would be mid-rise, between eight and 18 stories and he said that such a height was not uncommon for the surrounding area. Some of the plans displayed at the meeting, however, did note that buildings of 30-50 stories are being planned.
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The EDC said that the project would be built in phases and may take up to 100 years to fully complete. The organization did not say what its next steps would be after the completion of the master plan.






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^^^^^

Welcome to Union Labor world!

Makes me wonder how long rebuilding the BQE would take. By the time its finished, we might have flying cars become the norm.

I guarantee you outside of the U.S., this would be built in less than 10 years.
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Blaming this on union labor is, well, nonsense. You can expedite the schedule on a project like this, that has little to nothing to do with whether the human beings working on the project are members of trade unions.
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I'm no planner, but wouldn't you want a plan that is written over a 100-year timeframe. Burnham's plan for Chicago comes to mind. This is much smaller than the Chicago lakefront, but we are also talking about a convention center, new park, a deck over 160+ acres. And it is not in Midtown. This is something that should be developed over decades, no?
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^yeah...

Plans are wonderful.

Plans SHOULD come to fruition. Broadcasting that this may take 100 years which is preposterous communicates a discusting lack of confidence in the plan. The Sunnyside Yard buildout should be a 30 year program, and if the city was really serious about providing additional housing and acting like a first world alpha city - a 20 year program.
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^yeah...

Plans are wonderful.

Plans SHOULD come to fruition. Broadcasting that this may take 100 years which is preposterous communicates a discusting lack of confidence in the plan. The Sunnyside Yard buildout should be a 30 year program, and if the city was really serious about providing additional housing and acting like a first world alpha city - a 20 year program.
Couldn't agree more. Has anyone heard of a 100 year development proposal? I've never. I mean, the Hudson Yards is a fraction of the size but it's taken about 10 years and half of it is filled with supertalls.
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AOC and friends came out against any new building construction or development of Sunnyside yards. She is by far the most powerful Queens politician with a deep $$$ election pool. Its probably a wrap folks.
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AOC has no involvement in Sunnyside Yards. I don't like her either but it's stupid to make her the Boogeyman for everything.

Yes, there are obviously NIMBYs against the rezoning. Welcome to NYC. The same NIMBY whiners fight every single rezoning over the last 50 years. Eventually the rezoning will pass with some stupid giveaways so the politicans can say they got a win for the "community".
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I am a liberal democrat. I have an altruistic worldview that I believe was passed to me in utero and further nurtured in me while being raised as well as a healthy amount of contrarianism that I have acquired with age. I believe in what some call socialism is appropriate in certain areas of society where the free market cannot or will not provide the public good and who's profit motives are misaligned with the interests of the most, in particular health care, schools and transport. That said, I have issues with Rep. O-C in the way she approaches free market RE development and the misguided class warrior claims of gentrification that development might bring. I cannot believe I am about to link this article, but there was a Reason piece just yesterday that sums up the issue of SY. And while I do not agree with their underlying absolutist free market position that the infrastructure investment required for SY redevelopement is not worthy of public subsidy, for another angle's sake it is worth a read.
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^Somewhat of a refreshing take from you. Kudos.

That the proposal, slated to sit atop a useless rail yard, "would..displace communities of color..", really takes the cake for one of the dumbest things to come out of her mouth. And that's not an easy feat.
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^Somewhat of a refreshing take from you. Kudos.

That the proposal, slated to sit atop a useless rail yard, "would..displace communities of color..", really takes the cake for one of the dumbest things to come out of her mouth. And that's not an easy feat.
Well I mean this really stands in contrast to the strong positive regard most NYC metro electeds (regardless of party) have long had for major upzonings. lol
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