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My one quibble would be to improve the Montreal-Road-facing side. Otherwise, never misunderestimate the power of NIMBYism in Nimbywa.
In that neighbourhood, it would amount to noise rather than anything that would stop development.
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I get the sense Ottawa is replacing a condo glut with a rental glut.
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I get the sense Ottawa is replacing a condo glut with a rental glut.
Or adding a rental glut to the condo glut, perhaps?
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Or adding a rental glut to the condo glut, perhaps?
Yes and it seems obvious that each glut will make the other worse. Too much money floating around with not enough places to put it.
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I get the sense Ottawa is replacing a condo glut with a rental glut.
I think we are in need of a lot more Rentals than Condos right now, I'd say the market is following the demand. For too long the Rental market has relied on investment buyers renting out their Condos, and I think the developers have realized they can cut out the middle man.
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Yes and it seems obvious that each glut will make the other worse. Too much money floating around with not enough places to put it.
Change "money" to "debt" and we're on the same page.
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I think we are in need of a lot more Rentals than Condos right now, I'd say the market is following the demand. For too long the Rental market has relied on investment buyers renting out their Condos, and I think the developers have realized they can cut out the middle man.
It seems like the CMHC agrees with you with regards to the Ottawa market, at least according to their most recent reports.
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I think we are in need of a lot more Rentals than Condos right now, I'd say the market is following the demand. For too long the Rental market has relied on investment buyers renting out their Condos, and I think the developers have realized they can cut out the middle man.
Ottawa's population growth is about 10k per year. Not sure how many of those people want to live in apartments in commercial districts of the the inner suburbs, but I tend to doubt it will be enough to meet the supply of all of these buildings in the pipeline.

If you're a tenant it is great in the short term, but over the longer term it will push a lot of these buildings downmarket and into social problems.
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^ About 45% of Ottawa's population growth is intensification, so by rough math that's roughly 45,000 people moving into existing neighbourhoods over the next decade. That's a pretty large pie for rentals to fight for.

Plus most of Ottawa's population growth these days is immigrants and domestic migration from people in their 20s. The former group is especially drawn to cheaper rent in the inner suburbs.
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^ About 45% of Ottawa's population growth is intensification, so by rough math that's roughly 45,000 people moving into existing neighbourhoods over the next decade. That's a pretty large pie for rentals to fight for.

Plus most of Ottawa's population growth these days is immigrants and domestic migration from people in their 20s. The former group is especially drawn to cheaper rent in the inner suburbs.
How many of those 45k people a) want to rent b) want to live in apartments and c) want to live in the inner suburbs?

I have no idea what the answer is, but if it is less than the thousands of new units that are in the pipeline (and factoring in a growing number of income suites in existing houses and a condo glut that has turned more units into rentals) it could push a lot of buildings into distress.
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The NIMBY complaint for this one now officially recorded by the press...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/vanier-tower-proposal-traffic-concerns-1.3833310

Vanier residents raise concerns over tower proposal
Proposal for Montreal Road and Vanier Parkway includes 6 buildings ranging from 6 to 18 storeys

By Kate Porter, CBC News Posted: Nov 02, 2016 4:32 PM ET

Some residents of Ottawa's Vanier neighbourhood say a proposal to build six residential towers ranging from six to 18 storeys at the busy intersection of Montreal Road and Vanier Parkway will only make traffic worse in the already-busy area.

A numbered company, 1147310 Ontario Ltd., owns the site that currently houses the Ottawa Plaza Inn at the southwest corner of the intersection.

On Nov. 8 councillors on the city's planning committee will consider a conditional amendment to the zoning bylaw to allow the towers, which would house hundreds of rental apartments and some townhouse units.

The owner first submitted a proposal back in 2014 for more than 600 units in four 18-storey high-rises, along with two shorter buildings.

City staff said the project has now been refined, and recommended councillors approve it because it would help develop a main street.

Residents unhappy

The revised proposal calls for two 18-storey towers, a 15-storey tower, a 13-storey tower, a shorter mixed-use building and a seven-storey apartment building on Gardner Street.

But the local community association said residents who attended a pair of presentations this fall were not happy with the proposal.

"It causes a whole heap of traffic," said Chris Penton, president of the Vanier Community Association, noting the development would have access to Vanier Parkway. "The intersection is already a nightmare."

Residents are also concerned the development, which would contain mostly bachelor units and one- or two-bedroom apartments, doesn't appear to be geared toward families.
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I use the Vanier Parkway most days in rush hour, Vanier Parkway and Montreal Road is not a bad intersection at all, I can't remember serious delays in either direction at any time really... besides, how many people living here will be driving their cars to work?
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I use the Vanier Parkway most days in rush hour, Vanier Parkway and Montreal Road is not a bad intersection at all, I can't remember serious delays in either direction at any time really... besides, how many people living here will be driving their cars to work?
I had the same reaction - it's a busy intersection, but hardly a "nightmare". His comment also lacks a bit of logic - he also voiced concern about an exit onto Vanier Parkway, even though this would siphon some of the nightmarish new traffic away from the nightmare intersection.
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Ottawa's population growth is about 10k per year. Not sure how many of those people want to live in apartments in commercial districts of the the inner suburbs, but I tend to doubt it will be enough to meet the supply of all of these buildings in the pipeline.

If you're a tenant it is great in the short term, but over the longer term it will push a lot of these buildings downmarket and into social problems.
In the OBJ article, they stated it could take then anywhere from 5 to 10 years to complete all 600 units, I really don't think this will be an issue.
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What should Vanier be? Proposed 18-storey complex drives debate on vision

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: November 8, 2016 | Last Updated: November 8, 2016 7:49 PM EST


A plan to build an 18-storey residential complex near a major intersection east of downtown has residents debating what Vanier should “be.”

Another Westboro?

A Hintonburg?

The Glebe?

DCR Phoenix has a long-term development plan to build six new buildings at 112 Montreal Rd. and 314 Gardner St., near the corner of Montreal Road and the Vanier Parkway. It would replace a motel complex on the land.

Council’s planning committee on Tuesday was considering the staff-recommended land-use alterations that would pave way for the development.

The proposed zoning change would let the developer build two 18-storey buildings, a 15-storey building and a 13-storey building. The developer also plans to build a six-storey mixed-use building on Montreal Road and seven-storey residential building on Gardner Street. There would be about 524 rental units in the buildings surrounding the Esso station at the southwest corner of the intersection.

There is no consensus in the community on the development’s potential to help build on the existing momentum in Vanier, which is slowly seeing renewal.

Resident Suzanne Lepine decried the “wall of towers” that would jam up the gateway intersection.

Dave Fraser, another resident, came to the meeting with a slide presentation titled “Vanier: The next Hintonburg?” and criticized the design of the proposed DCR Phoenix complex compared to what he sees in the community west of downtown.

“We don’t need a building. We need a vision,” businessman Paul Drouin said.

But the larger business community is smitten with the development plan.

“This is exactly the type of development prospective business owners are looking for,” according to Jamie Kwong, executive director of the Quartier Vanier BIA.

Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury is concerned about the integration of the southern and western edges of the development into the surrounding community. He wants a gradual transition to the multi-level buildings and is asking the developer to consider townhouses on part of the property.

The committee approved the blueprint, with only Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper voting against it. He was skeptical about the developer’s transportation forecasts.

Nearly all of the focus of the planning committee meeting was on Vanier.

The committee also approved an application to transform a former church in north Vanier into a food store surrounded by eight storeys of residential units.

The new residential building, which would have 55 units, would also include a coffee shop. The developer is eager to let the community develop outdoor public space, which will include a farmers market.

Barrhaven Coun. Jan Harder, chair of the planing committee, is dazzled by the plan. It’s “big city-like,” she said.

Both Vanier applications go to city council Nov. 23.

Future of ramshackle O’Connor Street house deferred

The planning committee voted to put off a decision on 234 O’Connor St. until next spring.

Gemstone Developments wants to tear down the vacant red-brick house and establish a temporary park until it’s ready to develop the land and the neighbouring parking lot. The built-heritage subcommittee has refused Gemstone’s application.

The planning committee voted in favour of referring the application back to city staff for another review. The application will come back to the committee by April 11, 2017.

In the meantime, the city’s building code department will make sure the decrepit house isn’t a safety risk.

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Proposed high-rise for Montreal Road has some residents fearing gentrification

By Jennifer McIntosh, Ottawa East News
Nov 11, 2016


Could Vanier be the next Hintonburg? That was the question on the minds of many presenters who spoke out against a planned development that would include 524 units at 112 Montreal Rd. and 314 Gardner St.

Currently there’s a motel complex on the site.

DCR Phoenix presented their plans at the Nov. 8 planning committee meeting.

The development will include two 18-storey buildings, a 15-storey building and a 13-storey building. Low rise buildings will include a six-storey mixed use building on Montreal Road and a seven-storey residential building on Gardner Street.

Chris Greenshields, a resident who spoke against the development, said the initial public consultations showed a four-storey building.

“Four storeys would be better than seven,” he said.

Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury said he has considered that the drop from the high rises to the single-family homes on Palace Street would be jarring. He also had some concerns about the ability of the Montreal Road and Vanier Parkway intersection to be able to handle the traffic from a 524-unit development.

“In general, the access to the site is problematic,” he said.

As far as the delegations were concerned, it was a tale of two Vaniers – one with a vision and one that has long been neglected by the city.

Gordon Morrison, said the right development along Montreal Road could set the stage for a Vanier renaissance, but it has to be a balance.

“It has to be right,” he said, adding you lose the sense of community in a high rise.

“Once you’re on the sixth floor, you might as well be in New Delhi,” he said.

Jamie Kwong, executive director of Quartier Vanier – the local business improvement area – said that this development could help to animate Montreal Road.

“We want to animate the main street,” she said.

Several residents were concerned about the capacity of the intersection to handle the increased population, especially since Vanier Parkway can get very clogged.

“I think the concerns around transportation can be mitigated,” Kwong said, adding that other modes of transportation can be explored.

Other residents expressed concern about the capacity of the bus route 12 which is the nearest to the development.

Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper said that development of the main street in his ward has been “mostly positive,” but asked Kwong if she thought the busy corner could handle the impacts from the development.

Beacon-Hill Cyrville Coun. Tim Tierney said he’s been hearing about the changes and conversations around renewal in Vanier.

But resident Paul Drouin didn’t agree.

Drouin, who wants to open up shop in Vanier, said there needs to be a vision for the east end neighbourhood. He said developments like the one proposed would gentrify Vanier and turn it into another Hintonburg or Mechanicsville.

“I could show you pawn shops and crack houses,” steps from that building,” he said.

The application was approved by committee, but will still require a final vote from council.

Leiper dissented. He said he felt that the developer was building a lot denser without the softer considerations required, like pools or recreation facilities.

“I am concerned that the local recreation facilities won’t be able to handle the pressure of the new residents,” he said.

Jennifer McIntosh is the political reporter for Metroland Media¹s Ottawa papers. She can be reached at [email protected].

http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-...s-some-residents-fearing-gentrification/
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"Once you're on the sixth floor, you might as well be in New Delhi" might be the most Ottawa comment I have ever heard in relation to a proposed high rise development.
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[B]Proposed high-rise for Montreal Road has some residents fearing gentrification
Some residents can piss off.
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