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I think people sometimes forget this one has a setback at the base.














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https://www.wsj.com/real-estate/luxury-h...million-price-tag-finds-a-buyer-4524dd78

432 Park Condo With $92 Million Price Tag Finds a Buyer
The Billionaires’ Row apartment would be among the most expensive deals in New York this year if it closes for near its asking price


A Manhattan apartment asking $92 million has gone into contract.

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Reminds me of a Minecraft tower, don't hate it but certainly not in love with it either. Only thing it has is verticality and a high pricetag.

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Taken last November, this particular view of 432 Park is gone, replace by the more attractive 270 Park...



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Harry Macklowe tries selling 432 Park home he lost

http://archive.today/2025.07.14-215202/h...owe-tries-selling-432-park-home-he-lost/

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Harry Macklowe’s problems at 432 Park Avenue are getting personal.
The legendary developer attempted to list his penthouse for $75 million. One problem: he already lost ownership to lender CIM Group through foreclosure, the Wall Street Journal reported. Macklowe worked with Douglas Elliman to prepare his 78th-floor units for sale in recent weeks.
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The developer was forced to surrender his equity in the LLCs controlling the apartments to a CIM-linked entity in June after defaulting on $46 million in loans, bankruptcy records reveal.
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CIM, the Los Angeles-based sponsor of the troubled Billionaires’ Row tower, initiated foreclosure proceedings against Macklowe in August 2023. Macklowe delayed the action with a bankruptcy filing that October but later reached a settlement giving him five months to refinance or sell the units.

The conflict stems from CIM’s 2010 bailout of Macklowe’s original 432 Park development. After Macklowe bought the Drake Hotel site for $413 million in 2006, CIM paid off his debts and acquired his interests in exchange for future fees on sales. Macklowe and his then-wife entered contracts to purchase two units for over $46 million, deals that remained in place for 10 years.

CIM provided mezzanine financing when Macklowe finally decided to purchase three units totaling roughly $47 million in 2022. The package included two apartments on the 78th floor and a smaller 28th-floor unit intended for staff use.

Macklowe’s ownership dispute represents another layer of litigation surrounding the 125-unit building. The condo board filed a 2021 lawsuit alleging developer malfeasance, citing noise issues, leaks and malfunctioning elevators. Another lawsuit was filed by buyers this spring.
The ongoing case has dampened sales and property values.
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A problem that demands a solution....


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/19/nyregion/432-park-avenue-condo-tower.html

A Tower on Billionaires’ Row Is Full of Cracks. Who’s to Blame?
A superstar team of architects and developers insisted on an all-white concrete facade. It could explain some of the building’s problems.



By Dionne SearceyStefanos Chen and Urvashi Uberoy
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With its striking white concrete facade amid a sea of glass skyscrapers, the supertall tower at 432 Park Avenue was designed to be the jewel of New York City’s Billionaires’ Row, the stretch of luxury condos in Manhattan that has attracted the world’s wealthiest home buyers.

But only a few years after the 102-floor apartment tower near 57th Street was completed, water began seeping through some ceilings, the elevators broke down repeatedly and owners complained that their living rooms creaked and swayed in the whipping Midtown wind.

The exterior of the building, which opened in 2015, is pockmarked and gouged, riddled with hundreds of cracks that suggest the slender structure is being overtaxed by wind and rain, according to independent engineering experts, construction reports and court filings. If the problems are not addressed, probably with a nine-figure renovation, the building could eventually become uninhabitable or endanger pedestrians below, the engineers said.
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Amid a tangle of litigation involving the developers, engineers, residents and a small army of contractors, a likely explanation for some of the building’s issues is emerging: its lauded, all-white concrete facade, insisted on by its superstar team of architects and developers.

The New York Times reviewed thousands of pages of court documents, public records and private correspondence between the buildings’ residents and planners. They reveal that for years, several key members of the team of developers, engineers and architects behind 432 Park had expressed concerns about its white exterior, even before the concrete was poured.

Concrete typically gets its gray tint from iron oxides in cement; altering the components can affect its strength, color and performance. Builders of 432 Park were presented with a major challenge: how to come up with a concrete mixture that met their exacting aesthetic. Companies involved with the job called it one of the most difficult concrete projects ever executed.
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Seeking what he once called an “absolutely pure” building, Harry Macklowe, a well-known New York developer, tore down the luxury Drake Hotel and commissioned Rafael Viñoly, the Uruguayan modernist, to design a perfectly rectilinear body for a tower on the site. They assembled engineers, construction firms and concrete specialists to carry out the vision.

The design was a marketing hit, with the building’s 125 units selling for over $2.5 billion, according to the real estate data analysis company Marketproof. Early buyers included Jennifer Lopez and Alex Rodriguez and the Saudi retail magnate Fawaz Alhokair.
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But its success has been marred by infighting among its wealthy residents, who cannot agree on how to solve the building’s growing list of problems without hurting property values.

The condo board at 432 Park has filed two separate suits accusing the building’s team of developers of selling them defective units and of fraudulently covering up the issues.

In all, the problems at 432 Park could cost over $100 million to remedy, according to engineering reports that the condo board commissioned and the independent engineers who reviewed the tower’s condition. And further cracking could present a danger to pedestrians below, the experts said.
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It has attracted keen interest from engineering experts across the globe — first for its daring design and now for its many problems.

“A 10-year-old building should not be showing that level of deterioration,” said Mr. Torero, who has studied construction defects in skyscrapers across the world and reviewed materials related to 432 Park at The Times’s request. “Nobody can argue that that is not a failure.”
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432 Park was supposed to be white. The group assembled in Gowanus was responsible for developing a concrete mix that was strong enough to support the weight of a nearly 1,400-foot tower and white enough to satisfy the aesthetic the design team desired.

Even before the team arrived at the Brooklyn yard, there were internal disagreements. Five months before, a lead architect had expressed worries about changes to concrete specifications that were put into place by the developers and construction contractors.

“They are going down a dangerous and slippery path that I believe will eventually lead to failure and lawsuits to come,” Jim Herr, then a director at Mr. Viñoly’s firm, wrote in a July 2012 email to other architects on the project. It and many other emails are now part of a lawsuit filed by the building’s condo board.

What the team saw on the visit over two December days validated those concerns.

Small cavities known as “bug holes” more than an inch across and large enough to allow water infiltration had emerged in the column mock-ups. Troubling cracks had developed in several spots.
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Concerned with the cracks in the model columns, Mr. Marcus recommended adding flyash to the mix, a byproduct of coal combustion often used to make concrete more durable.

“They will not accept flyash (color is too dark),” replied Hezi Mena, an engineer who was then a senior associate at WSP, in a December 2012 email.

There were two options, Mr. Marcus replied: “Color or cracks.”

“Hold the pour until they have a valid mix,” Mr. Marcus wrote to Mr. Mena and developers. “Otherwise we will have future problems very painful to be solved and substantial project delays.”
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The developers brought on a series of consultants who reached similar conclusions: The cracking was bound to get worse, and a lasting fix would be costly.

They called for painting the building with an elastomeric coating — a thick, rubbery membrane that would seal the cracks and protect the exterior from air and water seeping in.

But the coating would give the building a glossy sheen that clashed with the developers’ vision.

Instead, Mr. Macklowe suggested workers apply a clear-coat finish similar to the product used to patch the yacht he raced in European regattas.

Over the next few weeks, developers argued with a rotating cast of consultants, some of whom they eventually fired.
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Recent estimates for repairs would involve filling cracks, reinforcing columns, adding a new cladding system to prevent water damage and the application of an elastomeric coating — the same fix the developers initially resisted.

The facade project would cost more than $160 million over three years, and would not include the cost of repairing other defects, according to a report from consultants hired by the condo board. Condo boards in New York are typically unable to get insurance policies to cover the cost of construction defects.







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Concrete and eventually windows falling would be a nightmare, crazy that they can't expedite the sealant process in such an emergency. How does that take years?

Luckily, I've not read anything regarding the main superstructure being in any danger of collapse.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/19/nyregion/432-park-avenue-condo-tower.html

This is GREAT news! Demolish this banal monstrosity ASAP before someone besides our discerning eyes gets hurt.

I would be abjectly ELATED if it was erased from the NYC skyline.

Then the question would be:

Is the Central Park Tower structurally sound??? They maybe able to make a case that the eastern cantilever disrupts the tower's center of gravity, besides hurting our eyes every time we look at it.
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This is GREAT news! Demolish this banal monstrosity ASAP before someone besides our discerning eyes gets hurt.

I would be abjectly ELATED if it was erased from the NYC skyline.

Then the question would be:

Is the Central Park Tower structurally sound??? They maybe able to make a case that the eastern cantilever disrupts the tower's center of gravity, besides hurting our eyes every time we look at it.

I don't think they're anywhere near demolishing it, it just needs a facade sealant and maybe some internal makeovers, I have yet to hear anything about 432 being structurally unsound (in danger of collapse) let alone Central Park Tower which is a totally different building with a normal glass facade.

Call me crazy but I like this building, would like to see it revamped and stay on the NYC skyline.
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I don't think they're anywhere near demolishing it, it just needs a facade sealant and maybe some internal makeovers, I have yet to hear anything about 432 being structurally unsound (in danger of collapse) let alone Central Park Tower which is a totally different building with a normal glass facade.

Call me crazy but I like this building, would like to see it revamped and stay on the NYC skyline.


I hated looking at this building even before I was informed that it was inspired by a trash can (as it has been admitted to by the architect before his passing).
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This is GREAT news! Demolish this banal monstrosity ASAP before someone besides our discerning eyes gets hurt.

I would be abjectly ELATED if it was erased from the NYC skyline.

Then the question would be:

Is the Central Park Tower structurally sound??? They maybe able to make a case that the eastern cantilever disrupts the tower's center of gravity, besides hurting our eyes every time we look at it.
I agree. In fact I’ll voice an unpopular opinion that these kind of buildings are ruining the NY skyline.

One can almost feel sorry those who bought into this building given all its problems. The publicity must have rendered the units unsellable.
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I agree. In fact I’ll voice an unpopular opinion that these kind of buildings are ruining the NY skyline.

One can almost feel sorry those who bought into this building given all its problems. The publicity must have rendered the units unsellable.
On the contrary, very popular opinion. These things are absolutely horrible and ruined NYC's iconic skyline. Good thing they haven't spread to lower Manhattan. Yet.
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