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I think you're referring to the Federal Court which is a totally different body. It's was (still?) slated to go on the lot west of the SCC building to complete the Justice triad. The SCC would never give up its heritage building much like Parliament.
The former (delayed? dead?) plan was for a "judicial" building which would have housed the Federal Court, Federal Court of Appeal, and some other tribunals and support offices. I think most of them are housed in D'Arcy-McGee at the moment.
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Ah got mixed up. Thanks for clearing that up folks!
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And that proposal was dead for a few years while the Conservatives were planning to build the massive Victims of Communism memorial on that site.
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Embattled Parliament Hill elm tree's fate sealed after last-minute Liberal vote kiboshes stay of execution
The rare elm has just days left, despite efforts by environmental groups and community associations to save it

Marie-Danielle Smith, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: April 2, 2019




OTTAWA — After hearing witness testimony at an emergency meeting of a House of Commons committee Tuesday, Liberal MPs — bolstered by the last-minute arrival of one of their members — struck down an opposition motion to delay the removal of a beloved elm tree on Parliament Hill.

While other House of Commons committees have been busy with ostensibly weightier matters, the Procedure and House Affairs Committee has been preoccupied with the fate of a centenarian American elm which stands just east of Centre Block in the middle of what has become a construction zone a construction zone. Now, despite pleadings from local environmental groups and community associations, it will be felled as soon as mid-April, as part of preparatory work for the decade-long project to renovate Parliament.

“We thought we were kind of close. We thought there would be an opportunity maybe to buy a little bit more time,” said Paul Johanis, chair of the Greenspace Alliance of Canada’s Capital, who advocated for the elm at Tuesday’s meeting. “At the very end, the additional member that showed up sort of swung the vote.”

Johanis had expressed pessimism about tree’s fate last week, saying the scene already looked like the beginning of a “tree massacre.”

Although others around it had already been removed, the rare elm was still standing because Larry Bagnell, the Liberal committee chair, had asked Public Services and Procurement Canada not to fell it until MPs could hear expert testimony. It is part of a broader look at how MPs can have more say in Hill construction plans.

“Whatever happens to this elm makes a statement which gets magnified and resonates far and wide,” Johanis said during his opening remarks Tuesday. He connected the tree’s survival to climate change. “At this time of climate crisis, every action matters, every bit of warming matters, every year matters and every choice matters.”

All of the other American elms on the Hill had been wiped out by Dutch elm disease in the 1970s and ’80s, Johanis testified. This elm could survive up to 200 or 300 years. There had been conflicting reports about this particular tree’s health, and couldn’t PSPC wait until its leaves came out to assess whether it was healthy enough to save?

“The tree, according to the arborist, might be sufficiently unhealthy that it wouldn’t survive the winter,” said Conservative MP Scott Reid. He asked Johanis: “Is it your view that we will be better able to figure out if it survived the winter by waiting for the winter to end?”

Johanis said it was.

Reid pointed to research about an elm tree in Cambridge, Mass. that had been preserved because of its historical significance. Even after it was assessed to be in poor health, it survived for another 40 or 50 years. There are ways, Johanis said in response, for trees to be nurtured and kept alive, if there’s the will to do so. But it’s difficult to recommend how this elm might be cared for when construction plans for the parliamentary renovation aren’t even public, he added. “We’re just shooting in the dark here.”

Robert Wright, an assistant deputy minister for PSPC, shed some light. A new visitors centre was to extend underground on either side of Centre Block, to “connect the triad and create a host of services that have been requested by Parliament.” The elm is in the middle of the excavation zone, and several assessments from arborists expressed doubt it would survive more than five years anyway, he explained (although one such report had put the tree in good health last May).

Contracts would need to be renegotiated and plans would need to be redrawn to save the tree even temporarily, coming at a “significant cost,” Wright testified. Besides, the plan is to eventually increase the green space on Parliament Hill — just not for about a decade. Fourteen of 30 trees in the construction zone are being relocated, and 64 new trees will be planted, he said, including some propagated from samples of this specific elm.

Bagnell asked why the visitors centre couldn’t be built out in front of Centre Block rather than east, underneath the tree. Wright said this would affect the “symmetry” of the centre — even though it will not be visible from outside — and besides, “it would not lead to the tree living for a long period,” he said.

NDP MP Randall Garrison, who quibbled over the “symmetry argument,” suggested the committee ask for a moratorium until the end of June, so that one last assessment of the tree’s health could be conducted before a final decision was made.

“I’m from Vancouver Island. I’m pretty used to citizens chaining themselves to trees to try to preserve them,” he’d said earlier, seeming to accept Johanis’s view that saving the tree would be a symbolic decision. “If our project here is to restore Centre Block, it’s not just the building but the sight that gives meaning. And that tree has stood there almost as long.”

Liberals had been short a member on the committee throughout witness testimony, which would have given opposition MPs enough votes to grant the elm a stay of execution. But with moments to spare before the end of the meeting, Liberal MP Dan Ruimy appeared in the committee room and, after a whisper in the ear from another Liberal MP, voted with his colleagues to defeat the motion.

PSPC is expected to make the chop on or after April 12.

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Parliament Hill excavation uncovers pre-Confederation military complex
Early 19th-century barracks, jail were built for Rideau Canal workers

Kimberley Molina · CBC News
Posted: May 18, 2019 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: May 18




Buried beneath the flowers, trees and statues dotting the grounds of Parliament Hill are the remnants of a military complex that predates both Confederation and the founding of Ottawa.

An archeology team has been working since April to unearth the ruins of the complex as part of the ongoing renovations to Centre Block.

What they've uncovered so far — barracks, an old guardhouse, and what was the former city of Bytown's first jail — is just a small tidbit of what may be to come.

The complex contains the remnants of what existed on Parliament Hill before Centre Block was built, during the time the Rideau Canal was first being constructed.

"This was the headquarters for the entire canal construction for the soldiers," said Stephen Jarrett, archeology project manager with Centrus, a consortium providing architectural and engineering services for the Centre Block rehabilitation project.

The canal's construction was overseen by Lt. Col. John By, for whom Bytown was named.

Three barracks, a guardhouse, a jail, stables and cookhouses were all built on the north half of the hill starting in 1826 for the Royal Sappers and Miners Regiment, who were tasked with the backbreaking work of digging out more than 200 kilometres of earth from the Ottawa River to Kingston, Ont.

The items uncovered so far include a range of military items: chin straps, tags, gorgets — which officers often wore to hold their neckties in place — and other domestic items, like coins.

But there might be more left to uncover, in a somewhat unusual spot: the privies.

"It's an excellent place to dispose of things," said Jarrett.

The complex had several multi-chambered outhouses to accommodate the 150 soldiers, plus around 40 of their wives, who all lived in the barracks.

With no modern-day plumbing, it doesn't take much to imagine the odour.

"You need to keep the smell down from the human waste, and so you put fill layers on top in order to keep the smell down," Jarrett said.

"So that comes with all the broken dishes and anything else that can help keep that smell down."

One such latrine was built south of where the entrance to the Senate is now, near the east side of Centre Block. But there are likely many more dotting Parliament Hill.

"Privies fill up over time," Jarrett said. "So they do get moved through time, as well."

Bytown became a city and was renamed Ottawa on New Year's Day, 1855.

Before Ottawa became the country's capital — or even a city, for that matter — it was a small town that didn't have a jail. Prisoners had to be held at the courthouse in Perth, Ont., instead.

The military had the only three cells in the community, located in the back of the jailhouse (which was later converted to a hospital).

"The three cells were some of the only places to hold individuals properly," Jarrett said. "So the military allowed the constables to hold prisoners inside their jailhouse until they were able to transport them all the way to [Perth]."

Three years after Ottawa came into existence, it was named the capital of the United Province of Canada by Queen Victoria.

Soon afterwards, the military complex was demolished so that the first parliament buildings could go up.

The excavation of the guardhouse and barracks is set to be completed by the fall. It's expected to cost around $1.2 million and is being paid for by Public Services and Procurement Canada as part of the budget for the Centre Block renovations.

The artifacts will be cleaned and analyzed by the department before being put on display for the public.



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Just like the bodies under Queen Street a few years ago, this is no surprise to those of us familiar with the city's history, but it's still fascinating that after 160 odd years of development over these old sites, we are still finding these relics relatively intact.

It's a great way to familiarize those who don't know much about Ottawa before Confederation to get a better understanding of where we came from.

I wish we, as a city and as a region (including Hull, Gatineau and Aylmer) did more to honour our past beyond our role as the NCR. In 2026, we better have a 200th anniversary celebration of the founding of Bytown.
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Just like the bodies under Queen Street a few years ago, this is no surprise to those of us familiar with the city's history, but it's still fascinating that after 160 odd years of development over these old sites, we are still finding these relics relatively intact.

It's a great way to familiarize those who don't know much about Ottawa before Confederation to get a better understanding of where we came from.

I wish we, as a city and as a region (including Hull, Gatineau and Aylmer) did more to honour our past beyond our role as the NCR. In 2026, we better have a 200th anniversary celebration of the founding of Bytown.
I was rather disappointed with the Canada 150 because it seemed to me to imply that prior to 1867 there was nothing and then Kaboom! Canada came into being!
Our history and who we are has been influenced and shaped by the people who travelled through or permanently settled in this geographic area (North America) since the first human who crossed the Bering Strait Land Bridge touched what is now Alaska.
What I would really like to see is a collection and publishing of first nation oral history. When the Vikings arrived in Newfoundland did word of their arrival reach very far west? When the Spanish brought European diseases to the New World, did word of the dying reach the Great Plains? I know that I've drifted off the chart with this thread but who wouldn't want to know?
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They’re installing an equestrian statue of the Queen in the roundabout in front of Rideau Hall. Is it relocated from the Hill?
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They’re installing an equestrian statue of the Queen in the roundabout in front of Rideau Hall. Is it relocated from the Hill?
Yes, it was behind East Block. There's also a statue of the Famous Five which is relocating directly west of the Senate of Canada Building.
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That would make a wonderful permanent location for the QE2 statue.
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Why the digging in front of the parliament?
The three buildings on the Hill will be connected underground. There probably will be a much expanded visitors centre beneath the front of Centre Block (a "museum of democracy"?) where people can browse exhibits before or after tours. This would mean one big centralized secure zone for the visiting public.
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The three buildings on the Hill will be connected underground. There probably will be a much expanded visitors centre beneath the front of Centre Block (a "museum of democracy"?) where people can browse exhibits before or after tours. This would mean one big centralized secure zone for the visiting public.

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/05/14/plan-for-large-underground-complex-in-centre-block-outlined-to-mps/
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I thought the visitors centre was between the Centre and West Blocks.
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I thought the visitors centre was between the Centre and West Blocks.
That's the first phase, currently open.
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Massive renovation to Centre Block needs to find space for dozens more MPs

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February 26, 2020


The experts overseeing the massive restoration of Canada's largest Parliament building have to find out a way to cram more than 100 additional MPs into the House of Commons without compromising its architectural heritage.

A House of Commons committee Tuesday heard updates on the ongoing overhaul of Centre Block, which began more than a year ago and could last until well into the 2030s. PCL and EllisDon are acting as general contractors on the project in a joint venture.

The building that ordinarily holds the House of Commons and Senate and boasts the iconic Peace Tower, is 93 years old. It's being modernized for 21st-century technology and security needs and requires significant repairs after facing nearly a century of Ottawa weather.

It also needs to take into account that by 2060, the number of MPs Canada will require for its population will grow from 338 today to more than 460, if each one is to represent roughly the same number of people.

Officials have said the 30 seats added in 2015 filled up the available space, given the desks and seats MPs now get.

There are three options for renovating the chamber. Two would keep it in its existing space but use different furniture and configurations; one would require expanding the room inside the historic building.

Rob Wright, assistant deputy minister at Public Services and Procurement Canada, said the current chamber could hold about 420 MPs, but would likely mean the heritage wooden desks that seat MPs in pairs would have to be done away with in exchange for smaller seats, and maybe no desks at all. British MPs sit on long benches with no desks.

Expanding the chamber could increase capacity to more than 500 seats, using the existing heritage furniture, but would also cost a lot, he said.

Many MPs listening to the report were frustrated by a lack of detail about potential expenses. More than $770 million in contracts have already been awarded for the building, but there is no overall cost estimate yet.

"I find it kind of bizarre," said Conservative Saskatchewan MP Corey Tochor, comparing it to a homeowner being offered options for fixing their house but not being told what any of them will cost.

Wright said there are a number of things holding back the cost estimates, including the fact that decisions about how Centre Block will be repaired have to be approved by multiple bodies, including both the House of Commons and the Senate.

That was not the case for the two dozen projects already completed as part of the overall renovations to the entire parliamentary district, said Wright.

About $3 billion has already been spent on Parliament Hill renovations over the last two decades, including $863 million for West Block, $425 million for the Wellington Building, and $269 million to build a temporary Senate chamber in an old railway station.

Parliament has approved $4.2 billion thus far for the complete overhaul of the district.

Wright also said while all the buildings on Parliament Hill have some heritage components, none of them are to the scale of Centre Block's.

"The House of Commons chamber is perhaps one of the highest heritage places in Canada," he said.

There is also "a tension" between the heritage of the building and its need to be functional and accessible, said Wright.

Wright said once the officials have met with the Senate and House of Commons committees and heard what parliamentarians want, it will be easier to come up with better cost estimates for approval.

The MPs on the committee received a tour of the construction underway last week. Most of the first year of work involved assessing the building to figure out exactly what work was needed and what kind of updates would be possible.

That assessment, which included logging more than 20,000 "heritage assets" like floorboards, chandeliers and plaster frescoes, is now complete. Pulling apart stones and taking down walls and ceilings led workers to find hidden gems like an order paper from April 6, 1920, as well as some old garbage like candy wrappers, trapped inside.
http://obj.ca/article/massive-renovation-centre-block-needs-find-space-dozens-more-mps
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Get.
Rid.
Of.
Desks.

Just like magic - space problem in the House of Commons chamber is solved.
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Re-jig the electoral district borders as needed, but keep the number of MPs. What does it matter if they represent 100,000 or 200,000?

What they should have done was build a permanent new House of Commons in the West Block and a permanent new Senate in the East Block. that would accomadate the growing number of representatives. The Centre Block Houses could have been preserved for visitors and/or ceremonial purposes.
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I'm fully on Team "Get rid of the desks". Boom solves the problem and the benches are a much better look for Parliament. We could also move to a semi-circular style like Austrialia. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-bfokBUIAESDr_.jpg
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