Transit Fantasies

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Originally Posted by fredinno

I already pointed out how R2 is literally the worst-performing RapidBus in terms of ridership other than R3 (and is closest to that line in ridership), and you came up with every excuse in the book to ignore the problem and pretend as if people in NS sans Lonsdale actually use transit.

I addressed all those points, and you've just ignored them.

No, R4 will not lose all of its riders because of Broadway.
Neither will R6 because of Newton SkyTrain, because no sane person will walk 3km to a SkyTrain stop instead of just taking the R6 bus.
R5 has an anchor possible other than Phibbs.
Using the 'bus lane' argument for R1 is dumb because it can also apply to NS (other than the bridges themselves.)

'Duplication' is just a dumb red herring argument.
By that argument, the Millennium Line between Brentwood and Lougheed should never have been built because it 'duplicates' the Expo, and the Expo could have connected to Broadway as a new line via a spur at Commerical-Broadway.

Why does Toronto have 2 north-south railways spaced 3km out from each other?
How could they ever be both used sufficiently and independently attract riders?
Why couldn't they just have Yonge instead of 'duplicating'?


If we go by (current) ridership, R2 will be built out after all the other current RapidBus lines, except R3.
That is more than enough line up to 2050.

And I believe by the time that happens, R3 will be competing directly for R2's ridership numbers.

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So the population and TODs will stagnate out, as I predict, because of the poor zoning.

R2 will continue to underperform, and NS should thus be ignored until R1, R4, R5, and R6 are SkyTrain.
Great.

2014. Maple Ridge created their OCP in 2014.

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Yes, because Langley would have the exact same population as it does now without Hwy 1.
That makes no sense.

Also, I've pointed out that the City of Langley had the same problems as Maple Ridge until SkyTrain was going to go through.
If not, they'd just continue building midrise apartments, as they have been for the last decade. The population stagnated for a decade before that.

The only reasons the population projections are so good for Langley is SkyTrain.
Why would Maple Ridge be different?

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We've been over this- you're the one who wanted to keep SeaBus because transit times vs Norgate were similar and they could up the frequency and so they shouldn't use that crossing and instead use 2nd Narrows for SkyTrain.

You've just undermined your own crossing.


If we use that as a baseline, yes, there's not much benefit for Lonsdale itself if you up the frequency to SkyTrain levels.

Could you perhaps consider using fewer line breaks? Then the wall of text above would look more like this:

Originally Posted by fredinno

I already pointed out how R2 is literally the worst-performing RapidBus in terms of ridership other than R3 (and is closest to that line in ridership), and you came up with every excuse in the book to ignore the problem and pretend as if people in NS sans Lonsdale actually use transit. I addressed all those points, and you've just ignored them.

No, R4 will not lose all of its riders because of Broadway. Neither will R6 because of Newton SkyTrain, because no sane person will walk 3km to a SkyTrain stop instead of just taking the R6 bus. R5 has an anchor possible other than Phibbs. Using the 'bus lane' argument for R1 is dumb because it can also apply to NS (other than the bridges themselves.)

'Duplication' is just a dumb red herring argument. By that argument, the Millennium Line between Brentwood and Lougheed should never have been built because it 'duplicates' the Expo, and the Expo could have connected to Broadway as a new line via a spur at Commerical-Broadway. Why does Toronto have 2 north-south railways spaced 3km out from each other? How could they ever be both used sufficiently and independently attract riders? Why couldn't they just have Yonge instead of 'duplicating'?

If we go by (current) ridership, R2 will be built out after all the other current RapidBus lines, except R3. That is more than enough line up to 2050. And I believe by the time that happens, R3 will be competing directly for R2's ridership numbers.

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So the population and TODs will stagnate out, as I predict, because of the poor zoning. R2 will continue to underperform, and NS should thus be ignored until R1, R4, R5, and R6 are SkyTrain. Great. 2014. Maple Ridge created their OCP in 2014.

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Yes, because Langley would have the exact same population as it does now without Hwy 1. That makes no sense. Also, I've pointed out that the City of Langley had the same problems as Maple Ridge until SkyTrain was going to go through. If not, they'd just continue building midrise apartments, as they have been for the last decade. The population stagnated for a decade before that. The only reasons the population projections are so good for Langley is SkyTrain. Why would Maple Ridge be different?

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We've been over this- you're the one who wanted to keep SeaBus because transit times vs Norgate were similar and they could up the frequency and so they shouldn't use that crossing and instead use 2nd Narrows for SkyTrain. You've just undermined your own crossing. If we use that as a baseline, yes, there's not much benefit for Lonsdale itself if you up the frequency to SkyTrain levels.