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View Poll Results: Who should be the next mayor of Ottawa?
Mark Sutcliffe 8 15.38%
Catherine McKenney 43 82.69%
Bob Chiarelli 1 1.92%
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2021, 3:50 PM
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From Kate Porter, here's how the vote broke down. Look familiar? No such thing as the Watson Club. Sure...


https://twitter.com/KatePorterCBC/status/1458542248359038976
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Perhaps Ms. Harders daughter will run in her ward. She is well-known in the area as head of the Barrhaven BIA and won a school board election several years back, even though she had to resign during the campaign for personal reasons and told people not to vote for her (it was too late to take her name off the ballot).
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From Kate Porter, here's how the vote broke down. Look familiar? No such thing as the Watson Club. Sure...


https://twitter.com/KatePorterCBC/status/1458542248359038976

Sure there's a Watson Club but the same thing could be said of the Leiper, Menard, MCKenney etc. gang and not just on this vote
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Sure there's a Watson Club but the same thing could be said of the Leiper, Menard, MCKenney etc. gang and not just on this vote
It sure reads as a 'whipped' vote. Watching the vote on this you could see how fed up the Councillors seemed when they actually voted and many were keeping tabs of the vote tally as it progressed. Something like this should be done electronically without the benefit of seeing how your fellow Councillors voted.

Is there bad blood between Watson and other Councillors regarding Marianne Wilkinson who I thought would win. ? Abutting Councillors (El-Chantiry, Hubley, Gower) didn't vote for her and only Theresa Cavanagh did whose ward abuts Kanata North.

Leiper doesn't always vote with Menard/McKenney.
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Would be interesting to see someone from the "other side" run.
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Looking forward to the election, but I have a feeling Watson will run again and we'll end up with just about the same Council.
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Looking forward to the election, but I have a feeling Watson will run again and we'll end up with just about the same Council.
If there really is a provincially-triggered inquiry into LRT, Watson will very abruptly decide he has better things to do.
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Sure there's a Watson Club but the same thing could be said of the Leiper, Menard, MCKenney etc. gang and not just on this vote
Who whips them? Is there an actual leader of this gang, or is it just the ragtag remnants left over after Watson Club has wrangled enough votes?
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Wow......Any guesses how many others are not interested in running again ? I believe Jan Harder has said that and her wings have been clipped over the last few months. A couple may run for Mayor (I believe McKenney has said they will run for Mayor) but to be honest I can't see an incumbent losing.
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Wow......Any guesses how many others are not interested in running again ? I believe Jan Harder has said that and her wings have been clipped over the last few months. A couple may run for Mayor (I believe McKenney has said they will run for Mayor) but to be honest I can't see an incumbent losing.
McKenney only said they're considering it. I imagine that there's going to need to be some sort of negotiation there because it's pretty clear Menard is also pretty interested in running too. If both McKenney and Menard run, they're going to screw each other over and guarantee another Watson term.
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McKenney only said they're considering it. I imagine that there's going to need to be some sort of negotiation there because it's pretty clear Menard is also pretty interested in running too. If both McKenney and Menard run, they're going to screw each other over and guarantee another Watson term.
Menard and McKenney would coordinate for sure. It hinges on a public announcement from Watson
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McKenney only said they're considering it. I imagine that there's going to need to be some sort of negotiation there because it's pretty clear Menard is also pretty interested in running too. If both McKenney and Menard run, they're going to screw each other over and guarantee another Watson term.
While those two might be seen on this forum as fresh alternatives to Jimbo, they may just as easily be viewed as undesirable radicals by the general population.
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While those two might be seen on this forum as fresh alternatives to Jimbo, they may just as easily be viewed as undesirable radicals by the general population.
They are the antithesis to Jimbo but realistically only one should run as an opponent if Jim is running and even then the policies they promote now won't resonate with many especially those outside the greenbelt or even their own ward. I don't think either could beat Jim despite what this forum and other forums like Reddit think.
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They are the antithesis to Jimbo but realistically only one should run as an opponent if Jim is running.
Given that Chiarelli The Elder is seriously considering running as well, does that secure Jimbo if he chooses another term?

I don't consider Chiarelli as a serious candidate, and I expect there will be blow back due to his name with low-information voters who confuse him with The Younger, but add in a third recognizable name, and I can't help but think it will split the "Anyone But Jim As Long As They Aren't a Crackpot" vote.
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They are the antithesis to Jimbo but realistically only one should run as an opponent if Jim is running and even then the policies they promote now won't resonate with many especially those outside the greenbelt or even their own ward. I don't think either could beat Jim despite what this forum and other forums like Reddit think.
It's an open question for sure. Watson has serious staying power, I don't think anyone can deny. But, judging from who I talk to, and what I see online (sample bias, I know), I think he has reached a point of unpopularity that I can't say he has ever had before. People have gone from not paying attention, to not liking Watson.

On the other hand, would Menard or McKenney be judged too radical? Maybe by people who pay attention, but it's really hard for the general population to fit politically unaligned challengers into neat categories like that.

What I think is, Watson will have a tough campaign if he does run. People associate him with the LRT mess.

And as Uhuniau said, if there is a provincial inquiry Watson would probably decline to run.
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Watson's Way— 30 years after entering politics, Ottawa's mayor is a brand everyone recognizes
The running joke is that there's no local event he won’t show up for, even 'the opening of an envelope.' But while rivals ridicule such appearances, Jim Watson wins hearts and minds.

Mohammed Adam, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Nov 12, 2021 • 3 hours ago • 7 minute read



First of thee parts.



It began rather unspectacularly with a tax bill, not a grand plan to conquer Ottawa.

Jim Watson, then a 28-year-old Tory working in House of Commons Speaker John Fraser’s office, bought his first home in Old Ottawa South in 1989, and was astounded at the hefty property tax bill. He complained to friends, who urged him to run for municipal office if he was so concerned. He did.

Today, Watson will celebrate 30 years since he was first elected as a city councillor. He went on to become mayor in 1997, then a Liberal MPP and cabinet minister, returning as mayor in the amalgamated city — with a brief detour out of politics. Whether he’ll run again in 2022 is the million-dollar question. Watson says he’ll announce his decision in December.

Ask Watson’s colleagues in the council class of 1991, and most will tell you he planned all along to run the city. But it may well be that the making of Ottawa’s longest-serving mayor — and arguably the most powerful — was not the result of some devilishly clever planning. It was a combination of hard work, good timing and luck.

When he first ran, Watson knew very little about municipal politics. The formidable Lynn Smyth represented Capital Ward, and an unheralded candidate taking on an incumbent was basically a suicide mission. But Watson defied the odds and won. “The trigger was the tax bill. I had a great job on the Hill, I had no interest in municipal politics and didn’t plan to be city councillor until I got the tax bill,” he says. “I had no guarantee (of winning). I was challenging an incumbent.”

The 15-member council elected in ’91 included 10 new members, led by Jacquelin Holzman, who became mayor. Others included Alex Cullen, Richard Cannings, Peter Hume, Jacques Legendre, Tim Kehoe, Joan O’Neill, George Brown and Diane Holmes. O’Neil and Kehoe ran for mayor against Holzman in 1994 and lost. Others became regional councillors. Cullen was elected a Liberal MPP, then turfed by the party. He came back and ran successfully for council before losing his seat after a doomed campaign for mayor in 2010. Watson is the only one of that class still in politics.

So what’s the secret of his success? Supporters and critics alike say Watson has a rare combination of charm, warmth and an uncanny ability to win people over. Besides, politics is his life; he’s a 24/7 politician whose energy and commitment no one can match.

“He doesn’t have much of a personal life. Politics was his life and focus then, and it’s still the same. He was always there for the public and knew how to build loyalty. That’s why he has been so successful,” O’Neill says.

“He always saw himself as taking a leadership role in the city and he started to build a solid network. He started going to every church bazaar in 1991,” adds Holzman. “In the second term of council, I knew he had aspirations to be mayor. He had a plan for himself and he made it work. I admire that.”

Legendre’s take is different. “I don’t remember Jim being a strong personality. I don’t remember him leading something with a major result, except when Peter Hume and he worked to save the Aberdeen Pavilion (at Lansdowne Park),” he recalls. “I find it extraordinary that he lasted so long.”

Coun. Diane Deans, who knows Watson more than any city politician, having served with him since 1994, says he is just good at politics. “He’s an excellent retail politician. He has a very affable personality and he makes a very good first impression,” says Deans, who nevertheless has often clashed with the mayor. “He is everywhere in the community. Everybody knows him, and that leads to political success.”

Watson says his success has been a surprise to him and his family. He was born in Montreal, then grew up in Lachute, Que. He wanted to be a journalist after leaving Carleton University, but ended up on Parliament Hill in 1983 as legislative assistant to then-Conservative MP John MacDougall. He worked his way through other jobs, including press secretary to then-sports minister Otto Jelinek in 1986, and the following year, became the Speaker’s director of communications. Then the tax bill landed, and everything changed.

Midway through his second term on council, Watson says he decided he “would move up or move out.” He would run for mayor or quit. Running against Holzman would be an uphill battle, but as luck would have it, Holzman decided not to seek re-election in 1997. Watson won handily.

Almost everyone in the city expected him to challenge Bob Chiarelli in 2001 for mayor of the amalgamated city, but Watson says his priority was to ensure a smooth municipal amalgamation, after which he needed a new challenge. Colleagues, however, say Watson realized he couldn’t beat Chiarelli and bailed. He became president of the Canadian Tourism Commission.

Watson says when he went to Queen’s Park as an MPP in 2003, he thought his mayoral career was over. But then Larry O’Brien happened. O’Brien, who became mayor in 2006, was dogged by controversy. In particular, his failure to keep a signature “zero means zero” tax promise undermined his credibility. Several city luminaries sent private pleas to Watson to run in 2010. Former mayor Jim Durrell invited him to lunch and told him the city needed him. That tipped the scales, and Watson came back to make history. None of this could have been scripted, he says.

Watson’s winning formula comes from getting to know people in their communities, campaigning all year, and building coalitions. He notes that the running joke about him in the media is that there is nothing he won’t show up for, even “the opening of an envelope.” But little do critics know how people appreciate a politician who makes time for them and is seen to support their causes and interests. While rivals ridicule such appearances, he wins hearts and minds.

Significantly as well, he campaigns hard between elections, something he learned from Mark Maloney, one of his 1991 colleagues. Watson says people appreciate a mayor who shows up off-season to hear their concerns. “People will say, ‘Why are you here? There is no election.’ And I’ll say that’s precisely why I am here. You shouldn’t see me only when I need your vote.” People remember that when an election comes around. The reality is that in Ottawa, Watson’s name has become a brand that’s hard to beat, though that brand is being severely tested now as the 2022 election draws nearer.

One of the abiding criticisms against Watson, which he rejects, is that he has become increasingly autocratic, and doesn’t tolerate dissent. “He nurses a grudge,” says Dean, who some feel should run for mayor herself. “If you cross him, there is no coming back. He puts in his inner circle people who will unquestionably support him.”

There have been ups and downs, flip-flops and mistakes over these 30 years. COVID-19 was an existential challenge, and coming in the same term as the LRT failures and the Westboro bus crash that took lives was draining, Watson says. He ranks getting LRT on the rails his biggest achievement. But it goes without saying that the O-Train debacle has stained his record.

Watson believes, however, that in time, the problems will be solved, and people will come to enjoy the service. “I take full responsibility for the fact that the consortium has not delivered what we wanted,” he says. “LRT is a very significant event that has helped to change our city, and it will continue to do that.”

And how has he changed, particularly as mayor? “You and your colleagues say, ‘Watson is so thin-skinned,’ and most people won’t believe this, but I actually think I have thicker skin today than when I first started. I don’t take criticism personally. I think I have mellowed,” he says.

“The one thing I haven’t done well is have a proper work-life balance. I basically don’t have a private life. I put everything into work.”


Monday: Part two — control or consensus?


Jim Watson at a glance

1961 : Born July 30, Montreal.
1983 : Graduates from Carleton University, starts work on Parliament Hill as legislative assistant to Conservative MP John MacDougall.
1984 : Becomes press secretary to House of Commons Speaker John Bosley.
1986 : Becomes press secretary to Sports Minister Otto Jelinek.
1987: Serves as director of communications for Speaker John Fraser.
1991: Runs for Ottawa city council to represent Capital ward and wins.
1994 : Is re-elected as councillor.
1997: Runs for mayor and wins.
2000: Resigns as mayor, is appointed president and CEO of the Canadian Tourism Commission.
2003: Is elected MPP for the Liberals in the riding of Ottawa West-Nepean. Goes on to hold three provincial cabinet portfolios: Consumer and Business Services; Health Promotion; and Municipal Affairs.
2010: Resigns from cabinet and successfully runs for Ottawa mayoralty, for a second time.
2014: Is re-elected mayor for another four years.
2018: Is re-elected for another four-year term.

https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/adam-w...was-mayor-is-a-brand-everyone-recognizes
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I can see a case for McKenney as the next mayor. A good one.
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Deans also considering a run for Mayor.

I could see Moffatt run for Mayor if Watson decides not to. Surely Watson will "choose" his successor, and I can only see a handful of Watson Club members who fit the bill.
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