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Old Posted Oct 6, 2017, 4:28 PM
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I'm not sure it would even be a possibility but why not where the baseball stadium is. Baseball in Ottawa has never been successful. It is likely not enough room on it's own but are the RCMP planning to keep their campus where it is? (just on the other side of the Vanier parkway) (they already have moved a lot of people out to Barrhaven no?) Together that seems like it could be enough space.

This has direct access to the VIA rail station and LRT and is immediately off the highway.
Plus there is already a hotel and conference centre right there.
And as a bonus, the properties around the St. Laurent Centre Shopping Plaza have been recently up-zone as part of the Transit Orient Development Design Plans. Basically, the whole strip between the Rideau River and St. Laurent is ripe for redevelopment (with a few small exceptions like the hotel, train station, and parts of the existing mall building.)

Ottawa actually has ample space within the current LRT PH1n reach that could accomodate Amazon's needed on the long term (Tunneys; Innovation Centre/Bayview/Lebreton; Hurdman; Vanier Parkway/St. Laurent; Blair Rd) Some are public lands, some private but I don't think that's really an issue as far as acquisition goes.
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I'm not sure it would even be a possibility but why not where the baseball stadium is. Baseball in Ottawa has never been successful. It is likely not enough room on it's own but are the RCMP planning to keep their campus where it is? (just on the other side of the Vanier parkway) (they already have moved a lot of people out to Barrhaven no?) Together that seems like it could be enough space.

This has direct access to the VIA rail station and LRT and is immediately off the highway.
Plus there is already a hotel and conference centre right there.
Land assembly would be a bit of a pain but the combination of the Baseball Stadium, the RCMP HQ across the parkway, and the Canadian Tire along with the nearby plazas would be quite a roomy site and it would connect well to Tremblay station.
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Fewer than 10 secret sites suggested in Ottawa-Gatineau bid for Amazon HQ2

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: October 11, 2017 | Last Updated: October 11, 2017 12:33 PM EDT


Fewer than 10 sites are being suggested by the Ottawa-Gatineau bid team hoping to somehow get Amazon’s interest in Canada’s capital region for a second headquarters.

The potential sites are being kept secret out of fear that other cities will get a leg up in the competition to land the international retail behemoth.

Amazon has issued a request for proposals from North American cities interested in being home to a $5-billion corporate campus with 50,000 jobs, a project the company is calling Amazon HQ2.

Bids are due on Oct. 19.

There are sites across the region that are being offered up by the Ottawa-Gatineau bid team, including those in the central core, south, east and west ends of Ottawa, along with land in Gatineau.

“At some point those sites will be released, but we feel it’s not in our best interest to share that with our competitors and we don’t want to affect land values as well,” Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson said Wednesday.

Watson declined to reveal how many sites are on the bid team’s list, saying only that it’s fewer than 10.

Amazon prefers to build its second headquarters (the company’s current headquarters is in Seattle) in a region with more than one million people. The site needs to have flawless cellular service, access to a mass transit service, be near a highway and within 45 minutes of an international airport

Invest Ottawa brought together experts from different sectors to identify potential properties that could be home to a massive corporate campus, Watson said.

Local business, educational and political operatives have been in meetings and on conference calls for the past month trying to put together the best bid possible for Ottawa-Gatineau.

“We’re up against some stiff competition from around North America, including American cities that have much more ability to bonus or provide financial incentives to companies to attract them,” Watson said.

Some of the only economic development programs available through Ottawa City Hall involve fixing run-down properties. There’s a brownfield grant program that helps the private sector clean contaminated land and a community improvement program that tries to reinvigorate drab parts of the city.

The Ottawa-Gatineau bid team is also receiving help from federal and provincial officials.

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I'm not sure it would even be a possibility but why not where the baseball stadium is. Baseball in Ottawa has never been successful. It is likely not enough room on it's own but are the RCMP planning to keep their campus where it is? (just on the other side of the Vanier parkway) (they already have moved a lot of people out to Barrhaven no?) Together that seems like it could be enough space.

This has direct access to the VIA rail station and LRT and is immediately off the highway.
Plus there is already a hotel and conference centre right there.
Actually the baseball stadium currently hosts a successful baseball team, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to tear it down, especially with baseball enjoying a resurgence in Ottawa and Canada generally. There are lots of vacant or underutilized sites in Ottawa that can be proposed without tearing down the baseball stadium. Just look at the other side of the highway from the stadium - when Canada Post moves from its Riverside plant, it leaves a parcel that is bigger than the stadium and adjacent to two lrt stations.
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Actually the baseball stadium currently hosts a successful baseball team, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to tear it down, especially with baseball enjoying a resurgence in Ottawa and Canada generally. There are lots of vacant or underutilized sites in Ottawa that can be proposed without tearing down the baseball stadium. Just look at the other side of the highway from the stadium - when Canada Post moves from its Riverside plant, it leaves a parcel that is bigger than the stadium and adjacent to two lrt stations.
The Riverside Canada Post depot is pretty big. Any idea where it's going or why?
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The Riverside Canada Post depot is pretty big. Any idea where it's going or why?
http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/canada-post-to-cut-ottawa-jobs-move-processing-to-montreal-1.1819970
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That article isn't exactly new. I wonder if the plan still stands, considering that parcel volumes are growing. For example Amazon handles most Prime 2-day shipping from Toronto-Ottawa through Canada Post, which would be some volume added since 2014. E-commerce is growing with other players as well.
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Well from the photo from Jim's twitter feed - looks like they threw a napkin proposal together - how much did this cost?
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That's a good mid-campaign photo op for the mayor of Gatineau.
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That article isn't exactly new. I wonder if the plan still stands, considering that parcel volumes are growing. For example Amazon handles most Prime 2-day shipping from Toronto-Ottawa through Canada Post, which would be some volume added since 2014. E-commerce is growing with other players as well.
A close family member () is quite senior in Canada Post HQ, and she tells me that plant is full of antiquated letter mail equipment... not really setup for parcel volumes. It doesn't look like it will be upgraded either as parcel volumes are being shifted to Montreal.

So take that for what you will... but expectations are it will simply die out as a sorting facility.
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Well from the photo from Jim's twitter feed - looks like they threw a napkin proposal together - how much did this cost?
From the pictures they held up it seems that Ottawa is proposing an underwater campus for Amazon's HQ2.
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From the pictures they held up it seems that Ottawa is proposing an underwater campus for Amazon's HQ2.
Would be innovative... Eel delivery services?
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2017, 4:42 PM
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Ottawa's Amazon bid is in the mail
Ottawa and Gatineau submitted joint bid for company's new headquarters

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Published on Tue Oct 17 2017




The Capital Region’s bid to become Amazon’s next headquarters is in the mail with officials hoping the area has what it takes to attract the global tech giant.

The company’s request for bids for it’s new second headquarters, a complex that will ultimately require eight million square feet of office space and create 50,000 jobs, is due on Thursday.

Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson and Gatineau Mayor Maxime Pedneaud-Jobin put the bid book in the mail at an event on Tuesday. Watson said he’s confident they’ve put together a competitive bid.

“I recognize this is an uphill battle, because there are a lot of cities putting a lot on the table,” he said. “We’re a serious contender and if not successful with this, we know that Amazon has many other lines of business.”

Watson said the two cities have a considerable amount of tech workers, which is a major challenge for the company.

“We know that Amazon is looking for 9,000 engineers for instance in their Seattle campus, they can’t keep up with demand.”

He said the project has really brought the two cities’ economic development teams together, something they have talked about in the past, but not actually done.

“We don’t always practice what we preach,” he said. “For the first time from a purely economic development perspective we have worked together.”

Pedneaud-Jobin said it’s a major step forward.

“That’s the first victory of this whole thing. We have worked together on putting together a bid.”

He said the region has a benefit because it can draw on support from both the Quebec and Ontario governments. He said he also saw the bilingual nature of the communities as an edge.

“Amazon is a worldwide company so to reach the market in Europe is amazing and the French language is spoken all over the world.”

Watson said he views any gain for either side of the river as a gain for both.

“If Gatineau attracts a big industry, we win and if we attract a big industry Gatineau wins.”

The company is expected to get dozens of pitches from communities all over the continent, which it will start evaluating next week. Some communities have talked about major tax breaks and other incentives to attract the company.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/2017/10/17/ottawa-s-amazon-bid-is-in-the-mail.html
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Ontario will bid for Amazon’s 50,000 jobs by investing in education
The region’s formal bids to win the hotly contested competition for Seattle-based Amazon’s second headquarters will be submitted this week.

By: Staff, Torstar News Service
Published on Wed Oct 18 2017


Greater Toronto Area municipalities are putting in a prime order with Amazon for 50,000 well-paying jobs.

The region’s formal bids to win the hotly contested competition for Seattle-based Amazon’s second headquarters will be submitted this week.

But Ed Clark — the former TD Bank president and CEO who serves as Premier Kathleen Wynne’s business adviser — says the province “is not offering any new financial incentives to Amazon — nor any incentives that are not availableto others who seek to grow or locate such jobs here.”

"As a businessman I like this approach. Successful firms want to be in jurisdictions that are inherently attractive, and that will remain so in the future,” Clark said at a Canadian Club speech at the Fairmont Royal York Hotel on Wednesday.

“This is doubly true if you are locating a head office. Companies want jurisdictions that invest in educated workforces, have livable cities, and put out a welcome mat for the best talent to bring their energy and ideas from anywhere in the world.”

But Clark insisted the province isn’t sitting on its hands — and is investing in “talent” that will help the region regardless of whether Amazon comes.

“No special deals. We are offering Amazon the best place in the world to do business,” he said.

The Ontario government announced Wednesday it would boost “support for students in the science, technology, engineering and mathematics disciplines, including artificial intelligence, to continue to build a highly skilled workforce and support job creation and economic growth.”

The hope is to increase the number of graduates in those disciplines by 25 per cent over the next five years — from 40,000 to 50,000 annually.

As well, the province will spend $30 million to work with the Vector Institute — of which Clark is the chair — to increase to the number of professional applied masters’ graduates in artificial intelligence to 1,000 a year within five years.

That’s designed to help the local municipalities — including the city of Toronto — vying for Amazon’s headquarters.

Amazon has also attracted bids from Boston, Chicago, Ottawa, and a slew of other cities for its second head office.

Clark stressed the political realities stateside may make it difficult to create jobs in Canada instead of the U.S.

Indeed, current President Donald Trump frequently attacks Amazon on Twitter and its founder Jeff Bezos, who also owns the Washington Post.

“If that’s not a constraint, we’re hands-down the winner,” said Clark.

The online shopping giant, which already employs 380,000 people, is promising to bring the winning city up to 50,000 jobs that pay an average annual salary of $100.000 (U.S.)

“We expect to invest over $5 billion in construction and grow this second headquarters to ... be a full equal to our current campus in Seattle,” the company said in September.

“In addition to Amazon’s direct hiring and investment, construction and ongoing operation of Amazon HQ2 is expected to create tens of thousands of additional jobs and tens of billions of dollars in additional investment in the surrounding community.”

On Tuesday, Toronto’s bid got a boost from another American tech powerhouse.

Dan Doctoroff, the New York-based chief executive of Sidewalk Labs, the Google sister company that plans to transform the east downtown waterfront into a model clean tech community, hailed the city.

“If Amazon sees what we see in Toronto, they should be coming here,” Doctoroff told the Star’s David Rider.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/2017...nvesting-in-education-no-incentives.html
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Is it just me, or does this look like a couple of kids that just turned in their presentation to their grade 2 teacher?
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Canadian cities in the hunt for Amazon's HQ2 — but is it worth the shot?
While the rewards may be great, becoming Amazon's home away from home has drawbacks too

By Aleksandra Sagan, The Canadian Press
Posted: Oct 19, 2017 9:32 AM ET Last Updated: Oct 19, 2017 10:42 AM ET


It's like a technology-themed reality TV dating show.

Suitor Amazon is on the hunt for a North American city to house what it calls HQ2: a second headquarters. The ideal match will tick off most of a wide-ranging list of requirements that covers practical matters, like available buildings and green space, as well as a certain "je ne sais quoi" that, for example, helps it attract tech talent.

Many Canadian cities consider Amazon a catch. After all, the tech titan is promising up to 50,000 high-paying jobs and a $5-billion US investment. Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto, Halifax, Ottawa, Edmonton and Calgary have all promised to submit proposals by Thursday, the deadline for those looking to woo the firm into their regions.

But while the possibility of a Canadian city turning into the next Seattle — Amazon's existing home — is tempting, experts say it's a risky proposition that comes with some drawbacks, like making operations more challenging for local technology companies.

"An investment this large would fundamentally alter a town," said Dan Shaw, a lecturer at Dalhousie University's Rowe School of Business in Halifax.

Other businesses, including local startups, that employ highly skilled technology workers may struggle to compete, he said.

A company may have relied on hiring new graduates from the local university for starting salaries of $60,000, Shaw explained, but Amazon has deep pockets and could push the bar for salaries higher by offering closer to $90,000 for entry-level jobs.

Canada is already facing a tech talent shortage, partially due to a brain drain as desirable candidates are lured to Silicon Valley. By 2020, there'll be a lack of qualified workers to fill about 218,000 positions, according to the Information and Communications Technology Council's projections.

Adding Amazon's demand for tens of thousands of full-time workers would put further pressure on the industry, said Kyle Murray, vice-dean of the Alberta School of Business at the University of Alberta in Edmonton.

That's a concern for any local companies trying to attract workers from an insufficient talent pool, but he said it's good for society to have increased competition.

Some Canadian tech leaders have grumbled about the incentives Amazon's asking for and city proposals are likely to include.

The proposals are private and many competitors haven't disclosed the incentives they'll offer, if any. The City of Toronto said the day before the deadline, it wouldn't offer any new financial incentives, but it's clear they're a big factor in Amazon's choice.

The tech giant — which has a market value in the billions — asks for incentives, including tax credits and/or exemptions, and various grants, in its request for proposals. Initial and ongoing business costs "are critical decision drivers," the company said.

"The concern, of course, is that it becomes a race to the bottom," said Sherena Hussain, an assistant professor at York University's Schulich School of Business in Toronto.

The successful city could also find itself in a situation in which the company makes up such a large portion of its economy that it must continue giving it preferential treatment so it doesn't leave town, said Shaw.

He noted that "massively scalable organizations don't grow on trees," so Amazon does present an exciting opportunity.

Businesses aside, the advent of an Amazon headquarters could also create problems for local citizens.

Tens of thousands of new workers earning an average of more than $100,000 US would substantially raise housing prices and the overall cost of living, Shaw said. It could also create transportation problems as the employees increase the number of people commuting via public transit and roads.

These issues presented themselves in Seattle after Amazon built its headquarters there in 2010. Still, former mayor Greg Nickels has said he considers the growth Amazon brought worthwhile and a better alternative to being a Detroit or Cleveland.

© The Canadian Press, 2017

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/amazon-hq2-1.4361801
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The "Toronto Region" has released their bid to the public:
https://torontoglobal.ca/amazon/
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The "Toronto Region" has released their bid to the public:
https://torontoglobal.ca/amazon/
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The "Toronto Region" has released their bid to the public:
https://torontoglobal.ca/amazon/
Looking at their comparison charts you can see who they really consider their competition: Atlanta, Boston, Charlotte, Chicago, Denver, New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Seattle, Washington. Only rarely are other Canadian cities even mentioned - perhaps all the Canadian bids agreed not to explicitly compete against each other?
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