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Old Posted Feb 27, 2026, 4:00 PM
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Would the Aberdeen Pavilion (Cattle Castle) make a good Food Hall? It is smaller than the one pictured in Lisboa, but it is a heritage building. It could add that 'something new' that would draw more people to Lansdowne.

It might not be wide enough to offer the stall (mini restaurant) space along the sides, though.
I'd say you should go to the farmer's market. It's already acting as a temporary food hall during that time. Several food vendors are there through the day, along with farmers.

What would be amazing at Aberdeen is if we could do a hybrid, like St. Laurence Market, or Ostermalm Saluhall. Alas, we don't really have the same population density to allow for such a thing. Sunday farmer's market IS pretty nice though at Aberdeen.
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Would the Aberdeen Pavilion (Cattle Castle) make a good Food Hall? It is smaller than the one pictured in Lisboa, but it is a heritage building. It could add that 'something new' that would draw more people to Lansdowne.

It might not be wide enough to offer the stall (mini restaurant) space along the sides, though.
Aberdeen Pavilion is about 80% wider than the Market Building, so it would work out well. Problem is it's already well used for other events, so the loss of those to gain a Food Hall might not result in a net positive increase in visitors.

The City could have built more retail space to include a Food Hall within the residential podium.
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I have been to Time Out in Montreal. It has to be large, with very diverse choices. It needs to be a destination. Too small and it will fail It needs to be downtown with the best transit access. Forget Lansdowne. You. need to attract thousands per day. Also, forget the Byward building. Again, too small. Perfect for the Bay building, in the heart of the city. I believe the Montreal Time Out is in the old Eaton building. It needs to be a draw in itself or don't bother.
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I have been to Time Out in Montreal. It has to be large, with very diverse choices. It needs to be a destination. Too small and it will fail It needs to be downtown with the best transit access. Forget Lansdowne. You. need to attract thousands per day. Also, forget the Byward building. Again, too small. Perfect for the Bay building, in the heart of the city. I believe the Montreal Time Out is in the old Eaton building. It needs to be a draw in itself or don't bother.
The Bay building is an interesting suggestion, and yes, similar to the Eaton building in Montreal with some architectural heritage. Ideally it would be right in the business district to attract all of the people that work there for an all-day clientele, but the Bay isn't that far away. it would work great with History as a place for pre- and post-show food, and maybe even as a second stage. I'm not sure how the Rideau Centre would feel about a competing food hall across the street, but maybe they would be happy to have something that acts as a big draw with a direct connection to the mall.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2026, 4:59 PM
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The Bay building is an interesting suggestion, and yes, similar to the Eaton building in Montreal with some architectural heritage. Ideally it would be right in the business district to attract all of the people that work there for an all-day clientele, but the Bay isn't that far away. it would work great with History as a place for pre- and post-show food, and maybe even as a second stage. I'm not sure how the Rideau Centre would feel about a competing food hall across the street, but maybe they would be happy to have something that acts as a big draw with a direct connection to the mall.
Yeah, that would be a good use for part of the building. Ideally the entire thing is used for a bunch of attractions like a Food Hall, RecRoom, maybe an escape room... just a bunch of entertainment options. I'd prefer that over a redevelopment with towers and basic retail or restaurants.

I'm sure the Mayor (I'm sure it's the Mayor) slapped a Food Hall in the Market Building because it's just an easy way to repurpose it without dealing with re-establishing the old Famrer's Market.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2026, 7:38 PM
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From these renderings it looks like they intend to redo the floors of the Byward Market buildings. Somewhat sad as my grandfather did the floors of the building way back when.
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Would the Aberdeen Pavilion (Cattle Castle) make a good Food Hall? It is smaller than the one pictured in Lisboa, but it is a heritage building. It could add that 'something new' that would draw more people to Lansdowne.

It might not be wide enough to offer the stall (mini restaurant) space along the sides, though.
The building could be ideal, but the location is not.
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New parking rules mean no time to linger in the ByWard Market
The mayor says a proposed three-hour cap will increase turnover, yet the city’s modelling wants a revitalized space that has visitors stay longer.

By Bruce Deachman, Ottawa Citizen
Published Mar 03, 2026 | Last updated 21 hours ago


Early one morning last summer, I parked my car on the top level of the city-run garage at 70 Clarence St. and didn’t think about it again until the following day.

For the next 24 hours, I wandered the ByWard Market. I enjoyed an iced latte on the cobblestone patio outside Planet Coffee, and a sandwich on the sidewalk in front of La Bottega. I spoke with tourists, residents, shop owners, delivery-people, buskers, a homeless man and more. I picked up a book for myself and a cheap hand-crafted ring for a friend’s daughter. I watched the late-night revellers head home and be replaced by early-morning dog-walkers. I was there when the sun went down and when it came up again.

I lingered, meandered, lost track of time.

If I want to do that again this summer, I’ll need to move my car seven times.

When Mayor Mark Sutcliffe unveiled the ByWard Market Action Plan at a recent Ottawa Board of Trade event, he characterized it not as a reset, but rather a continuation of the ByWard Market Public Realm Plan (BMPRP) that council approved in 2021 — essentially the action part that follows the vision.

But the mayor also introduced details that weren’t in the original pedestrian-first blueprint.

Among them was setting a three-hour parking limit in the city-owned garage at 70 Clarence St., replacing the unlimited parking that enabled the kind of day — and night — I experienced last summer.

The rationale offered by the mayor is that the three-hour cap will increase turnover and make it easier to find a spot. But turnover and lingering are not the same things.

The city’s own modelling suggests that a revitalized ByWard Market should encourage visitors to stay longer — browsing, shopping, dining, socializing. Planners, in case you’re keeping a bingo card of examples of ridiculous government vernacular, call it “dwell time.”

Enforcing a three-hour limit may help to fill the city’s coffers, but it isn’t going to do much to encourage extended stays in the Market. It brings to mind an old Jack Ziegler cartoon in The New Yorker, depicting a restaurant called the “Eat ’n’ Pay ’n’ Get Out” — essentially efficiency dressed up as hospitality. But in my half-century of visiting and working in the Market, it hasn’t been efficiency that draws me back, but rather serendipity — the people you unexpectedly run into and the new things you find.

The three-hour parking, though, is only part of the story at 70 Clarence.

The garage itself is a ticking meter. According to city staff, it needs almost $2 million simply to safely stay open for the next two years, and nearly $30 million to maintain it for much beyond that — and the latter scenario would necessitate closing it for two years. The Action Plan report calls 2028 “a fixed and unavoidable decision point.”

So one way or another, something has to happen there.

The city’s preferred vision is to demolish the structure and replace it with a cultural “destination” building — potentially home to organizations like the Ottawa School of Art and the National Portrait Gallery — and, at least in Sutcliffe’s telling of it, underground parking.

This may surprise residents who supported — and councillors who endorsed — the Public Realm Plan, which prioritized pedestrians over vehicles and cautioned against adding new parking in the Market’s core. The current plan includes the possibility of 200 underground spaces there, about 100 fewer than the existing building can accommodate.

Supporters of the parking will argue that it is essential to keep merchants viable. Critics will say that it undercuts to goal to build a pedestrian-focused district.

Even the city’s own feasibility analysis suggests that underground parking would be a financial drag over the long term, to the tune of almost $70 million over 40 years. Meanwhile, no funding has been identified for the building’s construction, nor any tenants confirmed. The Action Plan asks city staff to look into tapping senior levels of government, sponsorships and philanthropic opportunities to offset potential taxpayer costs.

None of this is to suggest that the current garage should stay. It’s hardly the best use for one of the Market’s most (otherwise) attractive parcels of land. What goes there in its place matters.

And as council weighs its options for 70 Clarence, it needs to decide not only what to put there, but what it wants the Market to be: a place to eat ’n’ pay ’n’ get out, or somewhere where visitors want to stay a bit longer.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/new-parking-rules-byward-market
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Has there been any indication that the federal government has renewed interest in a National Portrait Gallery?
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[B]New parking rules mean no time to linger in the ByWard Market
I don't find that many of these stories on the Market do much of a job or looking at the whole picture. This article suggests that because of the change to 3-hour parking at one garage, means that people will not be able to linger in the Market. There are multiple garages in or near the Market that offer longer term parking. If you want to linger, just park your car in one of those instead.

On the issue of Market parking, I've always thought that the complaints were overblown based on my experience. Though I realize it is just one example, I had to drive down to the Market for dinner last Saturday at 7pm, which has to be prime time for parking demand. I had zero delays driving up Nicholas to Dalhousie, or in going into the other city lot just east of Dalhousie on Clarence. The lot was busy, but there were several spots available on the first level. We parked for the evening, had an easy and pleasant walk 2 blocks to the restaurant with zero issues. Went for desert at another spot and stayed for a grand total of about 3 1/2 hours. Paid a whopping $5 for parking. No fuss whatsoever.

I just don't understand those who claim the Market is impossible or even difficult to drive to. I kind of suspect that they are mostly people who have already decided driving to the Market is hard and rarely go there.
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The ByWard Market building has some similarities with Boston's Quincy Market which they've turned into mostly a food hall. I think they should permanently pedestrianize the streets on both sides with seating and tables and trees. The market stalls could be moved out on to the York street median, displacing all street parking by the Ottawa sign. I find that the fruit and vegetable stalls are too crammed in and don't look good with their backs viewed from the street.

interior of Quincy Market:


They also widened their market building with these glass enclosures which could work here:


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Despite skepticism, ByWard Market plan sails through committee
Councillor worries that public safety could be 'Achilles' heel' of revitalization plan

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Posted: Mar 03, 2026 6:00 PM EST | Last Updated: 2 hours ago


A city committee unanimously endorsed a plan to revitalize the ByWard Market on Tuesday, but even supporters are quick to admit that it won’t be a silver bullet.

The plan rehashes ideas council voted for five years ago. It advances design work for a transformed ByWard Market building and a plaza on York Street. It will study options for a crumbling garage on Clarence Street, including replacing it with an arts hub.

Business, tourism and arts groups came to council’s finance and corporate services committee on Tuesday to support the plan, which also includes short-term actions such as facade improvements and better wayfinding signage.

But there was also skepticism about how far those investments can go without tackling a sense of insecurity that has increasingly loomed over the market.

“If people don’t feel safe in any neighborhood, let alone the ByWard Market, that will be the Achilles’ heel for us going forward,” said River ward Coun. Riley Brockington, who nonetheless supported the plan.

The plan does include measures to improve safety, like relying on special constables or private security, though many of those moves were announced previously.

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New parking rules mean no time to linger in the ByWard Market
The mayor says a proposed three-hour cap will increase turnover, yet the city’s modelling wants a revitalized space that has visitors stay longer.

By Bruce Deachman, Ottawa Citizen
Published Mar 03, 2026 | Last updated 21 hours ago


https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/new-parking-rules-byward-market
Is there any evidence that suggest this is needed. Outside of bar-hopping hours, I don't think I've ever had trouble finding parking in that structure. I agree with Bruce; if you want people to spend time in the Market, don't put a time limit. Eating out at a restaurant and a show at History would blow that three hours pretty easily.

I have the same thoughts on the Glebe parking garage. There's a bit more justification there, but only on event days at Lansdowne.

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On the issue of Market parking, I've always thought that the complaints were overblown based on my experience. Though I realize it is just one example, I had to drive down to the Market for dinner last Saturday at 7pm, which has to be prime time for parking demand. I had zero delays driving up Nicholas to Dalhousie, or in going into the other city lot just east of Dalhousie on Clarence. The lot was busy, but there were several spots available on the first level. We parked for the evening, had an easy and pleasant walk 2 blocks to the restaurant with zero issues. Went for desert at another spot and stayed for a grand total of about 3 1/2 hours. Paid a whopping $5 for parking. No fuss whatsoever.

I just don't understand those who claim the Market is impossible or even difficult to drive to. I kind of suspect that they are mostly people who have already decided driving to the Market is hard and rarely go there.
It's only ever difficult at rush hour and Thursday, Friday, Saturday evenings. Outside of that, it's really quite easy.
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Ottawa council OK's amended $200-million plan for ByWard Market revitalization
Amendments call for a review of governance of the plan and recognition of the impact of a concentration of social services in the area.

By Aedan Helmer, Ottawa Citizen
Published Mar 11, 2026 | Last updated 5 minutes ago | 5 minute read


Ottawa city councillors approved a $200-million revitalization plan for the ByWard Market with several key amendments proposed by Coun. Stéphanie Plante, including pedestrian-friendly initiatives, increased after-hours daycare spots to cater to the Market’s nightlife economy, 24/7 accessible washrooms and a recognition of the impact of the high concentration of social services in the downtown neighbourhood.

Plante, whose Rideau-Vanier ward includes the ByWard Market and Lowertown, also called on staff to report back to councillors after the strategic initiatives department said it would defer $10 million in provincial funding earmarked for the the “reimagining” of William Street and would “realign” that project with future work planned for 55 ByWard Market Square.

The renovation and streetscaping of the historic building at 55 ByWard Market Square is one of three projects included in the revitalization plan, along with a pedestrian-oriented plaza on York Street and the repurposing of an aging city-owned parking structure on Clarence Street.

The Province of Ontario allocated $11.8 million in funding to the street renewal and “pedestrianization” of William Street as part of the ByWard Market public realm plan that was approved by council in 2021.

Debbie Stewart, general manager of the strategic initiatives department for the city, said $1.8 million of that funding had already been spent on the detailed design of the William Street renewal, while the remaining $10 million was allocated to construction work.

“Given the economic conditions and concerns from the businesses, the recommended path forward is to realign that work because businesses are concerned with the dual impact of construction along with an uncertain economic environment,” Stewart said at the March 11 council session.

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https://ottawacitizen.com/news/ottawa-council-byward-market-revitalization
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They'll look into decentralizing services, but at the same time, Sutcliffe kind of dismissed it by claiming the services are in the Market because that's where the population who uses the services reside. Well yeah, cause that's where all the services are. Chicken and Egg.
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They'll look into decentralizing services, but at the same time, Sutcliffe kind of dismissed it by claiming the services are in the Market because that's where the population who uses the services reside. Well yeah, cause that's where all the services are. Chicken and Egg.
Homeless people aren't going to live in suburban parks. Not least of which because people wouldn't put up with what happens downtown. It's totally reasonable that they are concentrated downtown. The problem is they are allowed to do drugs, use the streets as toilets and generally loiter and be agressive. Simply making them move on probably would make them disperse even if that might make many of them cause problems further afield.
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Homeless people aren't going to live in suburban parks. Not least of which because people wouldn't put up with what happens downtown. It's totally reasonable that they are concentrated downtown. The problem is they are allowed to do drugs, use the streets as toilets and generally loiter and be agressive. Simply making them move on probably would make them disperse even if that might make many of them cause problems further afield.
Not really sure what you are saying here. Shelters should be concentrated downtown because suburban people won't put up with homeless people? They should be able to continue shipping their problems downtown because they make more noise about it? Those don't seem like good policy rationales.

A big part of the issue is that many suburban people are able to completely avoid social problems by avoiding downtown and living in a bubble (they are generally the ones trashing downtown while bragging that they haven't been there in years). It allows people to be blind to the impact of the problems, which is then reflected in our politics and the cycle repeats.

There is no logical or moral reason that suburbanites shouldn't bear some of the responsibility for the problems or the services they require. Spreading out the services would not just be a more reasonable thing to do, given that drug addicts come from everywhere, it would be a step towards a more empathetic and fair society. And you might even get less of this undercurrent of people trashing downtown, as if the state of downtown isn't a reflection on everyone who lives in the city and an important economic driver or drag.
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We have "homeless" panhandlers in Westboro as well. There's always someone sprawled out in front of the Shoppers and elsewhere on Richmond Road. They gravitate to places with high pedestrian traffic so I don't think moving social services out of the ByWard Market will necessarily reduce their presence downtown.
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ByWard Market plan misses ‘underlying issues that really plague’ the area, biz owner says

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Parking! Parking! Parking! The entire plan is a "how do we preserve parking" plan and they still aren't happy.

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With many ByWard Market establishments focused on nighttime business, Sirois said parking is invaluable to the success of the area.

“I would say about 70 per cent of our customers are coming down by car … Removing parking is super-tough for mom-and-pop retail shops and for the people that come down for lunch. We are predominantly in the nighttime business economy. I would say that there are way more nighttime drivers than people using public transportation.” That need will be exacerbated if and when the 70 Clarence St. garage is transformed into a “destination hub.”
People go to the Market to get drunk at night. Maybe having so many people driving is bad. Maybe improved transit options at night would actually help more.
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