NEW YORK | City and State struggle to increase residential development

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

There are certainly cases where park'n'rides offered parking structures and in fact there are large and expensive parking garages such as the many on the GO network. The parking doesn't necessarily take up all the space near the station so some could still be used for TOD. But that displaces other uses from that space with acts as a disincentive for using transit. When done well, TOD at rail stations offers the residents or workers at the TOD convenient, car-free access, to where ever the rail line goes which for commuter rail is usually a major downtown. But having the station act as a bus hub for feeder buses also means the hub is well connected to the local area. This means that locals can access the amenities at the hub without a car since the routes already go there to feed the station, and it gives residents at the hub car-free access to the surrounding community. In terms of over-used corporate buzz words, it forms a type of synergy.

But adding commuter parking facilities undermines both. The station is less of a bus hub since it's so easy to drive and therefore the local transit at the hub isn't good enough for TOD residents to be fully car-free. Plus there's congestion that affects any pedestrians or transit users accessing the station. Sure TOD residents can get downtown without a car, but not around the local community if the local transit connections are weak. So they likely take transit downtown to work and use their car for everything else.

So ultimately both sides are correct. Yes, you can combine TOD with park'n'rides, and no, it doesn't lead to very good TOD.

there just isn’t much going on out on long island development-wise, so there is no real call for dense lirr parking lot development around the stations.

but that doesnt mean mta is unfamilar with denser tod develoments. just look at stamford or yonkers. hell, it was desolate lot parking around the immediate yonkers station, now its all waterfront apt bldgs. its helps when the station is right downtown like that or on the high street, but not always, ie., even a perpetually popular and seasonally busy beachy town like long beach isnt very developed around the lirr station as it could be, much less the direct commuter parking there.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Nah, I'm pretty familiar with the Babylon line, and I assure you they are not. Most of them are surrounded by areas that look like Livonia, Michigan.

The entire Babylon line was built out when Livonia, MI was farm fields. Livonia has no downtown, nothing walkable, and doesn't even have bus service and is almost entirely tract housing. Most of the Babylon line towns are older than even NW Detroit.

I don't see any plausible resemblance outside of the fact they're all American suburbs.

Lynbrook-
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6556...8192?entry=ttu

Rockville Centre-
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6571...8192?entry=ttu

Freeport-
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6553...8192?entry=ttu

Merrick-
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6643...8192?entry=ttu

Bellmore-
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6702...8192?entry=ttu

Massapequa Park-
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6786...8192?entry=ttu

Amityville-
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6787...8192?entry=ttu

Lindenhurst-
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6867...2i49?entry=ttu

Babylon-
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6964...2i49?entry=ttu

[mrnyc]

^ certainly this popped up when you were madazz googling all that?

[manchester united]

Will there be a real chance to see skyscrapers also in the heart of Hell's Kitchen in the next few years?

[UrbanImpact]

Originally Posted by manchester united

Will there be a real chance to see skyscrapers also in the heart of Hell's Kitchen in the next few years?

IMO Hells Kitchen is charming as a low rise area. Why does every inch of Manhattan need to be demolished for banal boxes? There's plenty of room in the boroughs.

[chris08876]

Queens and Brooklyn will continue to drive those residential numbers. That's really where a bulk of the housing should go. Same with the Bronx. Issue will naturally be school capacity and transit and so more frequent service, additional trains will be needed.

They also should, although big opposition knowing those folks... consider Staten Island. There is a ton of potential for that borough. Its the most underdeveloped one at the moment. And land galore. Will come with its challenges transit wise but if they put the thinking hats on, they can make something work. Ferry galore.

The city has the land, they just need to think big. Red Hook as an example.



Sunnyside Yards also but that will take decades.

They really need to reduce the time for things, that's massive. Sunnyside Yards should be happening now, not 20 years from now.

[Gantz]

Originally Posted by chris08876

Sunnyside Yards also but that will take decades.

They really need to reduce the time for things, that's massive. Sunnyside Yards should be happening now, not 20 years from now.

Sunnyside probably would've had Phase 1 completed by now if city administrations after Bloomberg had similar pro-development mindset.
There are many opportunities in all boroughs of NYC, but our zoning has been frozen for ~70 years now, setting aside a few local targeted rezonings.