[bob rulz]

I'm with you Orlando. And I understand your point Hatman, about how we can't force people how to live and that it's not bad for people to have their own house and their own lawn. But we swing far too much in the direction of bad urban development. If you build an inefficient, environmentally destructive, sprawling suburb and put bus lines through it...it's still an inefficient, environmentally destructive, sprawling suburb.

Somehow Europe manages to do just fine with far more compact development. They still have suburbs and yes, they even have sprawl, but even their sprawl is far more compact and accessible than ours is.