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Old Posted Jan 7, 2020, 4:56 PM
Crawford Crawford is offline
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I can't figure out why Cuomo decided to basically re-announce the Penn South component of Amtrak's Gateway plan and add another track.
Cuomo's announcement has nothing to do with Penn South. Totally different project.
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NY's love affair with enormously expensive stub terminals is totally irrational.
As opposed to what, exactly? Vastly more expensive through terminals?
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With no new Hudson tunnel to serve it the entire plan is worse than worthless.
Has nothing to do with the new Hudson tunnel plan (that's Penn South) and I have no idea why you think it's "less than worthless" to extend current Penn capacity. Have you been to Penn lately? You don't think it needs to be expanded?
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If you're going to spend a few billion bucks pick a NJT line or two to outfit with LIRR power and just dig a tunnel from Penn to the East Side Access so people can actually reach east midtown which is where they want to go. Through run the services on both sides of Manhattan to boost capacity.
Seriously? A separate NJT to GCT, below the new LIRR terminal, would be insanely expensive. Like over 100 billion, probably. You would be digging tunnels a tenth of a mile below bedrock. It would have to be at least 400 ft underground. And it would do nothing to add capacity where it's needed (on the West Side).

Clearly some people just like to argue. When Moynihan was expanded, people whined "you can't expand, there are no new tracks". Now that they're adding tracks, people are whining "you can't add new tracks, there's no tunnel". When the tunnel is added it will be back to "you can't add a new tunnel, we have to expand". NIMBY nonsense.
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