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Originally Posted by edale
You're just talking out of your ass. Ohio has some of the best trains in America right now? You're talking about the Cleveland Red Line, which has maybe 3 stations in viable locations. It was built on existing ROW, so many of the stations were never well located. But other stations existed to serve huge industrial job centers which have all disappeared. Seriously, look at these station locations, and tell me this is indicative of some of the best transit in America.
East 34th
East 55th
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I'm not clear what you're arguing here. You seem to agree the East Side is a wasteland. Certainly you don't think that moving the ROW a few blocks north or south would make a big difference, right? Certainly you don't think tunneling the line, or running trains more frequently, would make a big difference, right?
And this is the endless fallacy of U.S. transit advocacy. When something doesn't work, let's do more of the same. The ridership isn't good bc we didn't built enough yet. Cleveland only has has one heavy rail line; it needs ten at 60 second frequencies before we actually admit that yup, 2023 Cleveland isn't really set up for transit. We need a lifestyle change.
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Originally Posted by edale
Furthermore, I don't understand the connection between poor ridership on Cleveland's Red Line and viability of intercity rail in Ohio. They're totally different.
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Where on earth does intercity rail work where local rail doesn't? Why would a completely autocentric lifestyle be discarded when doing intercity travel? Can you give an existing example? Why would someone travel from Cleveland to Columbus by transit, while refusing to use transit on either end, instead of just driving?
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Originally Posted by edale
You sound like the Republicans you despise when you say it will never work because...Cleveland's Red Line has poor ridership? Truly a bizarre statement.
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On the contrary, these are the investments that anti-transit types usually love, because they make transit advocacy look silly, and doom good transit investments. This is why we have Congress dumping billions in trolleys in Oklahoma City and the like, while existing bus service gets starved. HSR in 2023 Ohio, will be just like Tokyo-Osaka.