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LeftCoaster Apr 17, 2019 5:05 PM

1608 & 1616 West Georgia Street | 126.6m + 122.2m | 38 fl | Proposed
 
The City of Vancouver has received a rezoning application to rezone 1608-1616 West Georgia Street from Multiple Dwelling (RM-6) District to Comprehensive Development (CD-1) to allow for the development of a 38-storey strata residential tower. The proposal includes:

Two towers with building heights of 117.3 m (385 ft.)
A four-storey podium connecting the two towers
A total of 455 proposed strata residential units, of which 200 are located in each of the towers and 55 located in the podium
A total floor area of 40,288 sq. m (433,657 sq. ft.)
A floor space ratio (FSR) of 9.60
Six levels of underground parking with 503 vehicle parking stalls and 911 Class A bicycle parking spaces
This application is being considered under the West End Community Plan and the Rezoning Policy for the West End.

Design Rationale
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/1698wgeorgia/documents/DesignRationale.pdf

Policy Context
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/1608-1616WGeorgia/documents/PolicyContext.pdf

Site Context
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/1608-1616WGeorgia/documents/SiteContext.pdf

Site Plan
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/1608-1616WGeorgia/documents/SitePlan.pdf

Survey Plan & Setbacks
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/1608-1616WGeorgia/documents/SurveyPlanandSetbacks.pdf

Project Statistics
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/1608-1616WGeorgia/documents/ProjectStatistics.pdf

Renderings
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/1608-1616WGeorgia/documents/Renderings.pdf

Shadow Analysis
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/1608-1616WGeorgia/documents/ShadowAnalysis.pdf

Sustainability Rationale
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/1608-1616WGeorgia/documents/SustainabilityRationale.pdf

Sections & Elevations
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/1608-1616WGeorgia/documents/SectionsandElevations.pdf

Floor Plan
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/1608-1616WGeorgia/documents/FloorPlan.pdf

Landscape Plan
https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/1608-1616WGeorgia/documents/LandscapePlan.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/RmbiTer.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eWorQis.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2x7MhY8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/MLFBS5t.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9u5XLRv.jpg

csbvan Apr 17, 2019 5:38 PM

I like pretty much nothing about this lifeless twin proposal :(

s211 Apr 17, 2019 5:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 8543570)

Needs more random people. :rolleyes:

rofina Apr 17, 2019 6:13 PM

They're different. I need to digest more to fully evaluate.

Very surprised this is moving ahead into application already. I'm amazed there is enough confidence out there to propose these projects.

It would be absolutely brilliant to see the numbers on this one considering the astronomical money paid for the land.

EDIT:

For my amusement;

$245 million paid for the land
433,657 sq/ft at an average of 500sq/ft to build = $217 million
Not including anything else that's $462 million.

455 units total means roughly a million a unit to break even.

dreambrother808 Apr 17, 2019 6:18 PM

If these get built I would hope that all ends up being real curved glass.

LeftCoaster Apr 17, 2019 6:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rofina (Post 8543696)
They're different. I need to digest more to fully evaluate.

Very surprised this is moving ahead into application already. I'm amazed there is enough confidence out there to propose these projects.

It's just a rezoning, no harm in going ahead with it now even in a soft market. It's a 1 year or more process, so if the market is back in a year or two they'll be happy they did it.

rofina Apr 17, 2019 6:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 8543719)
It's just a rezoning, no harm in going ahead with it now even in a soft market. It's a 1 year or more process, so if the market is back in a year or two they'll be happy they did it.

That's true. Makes sense.

Max. Apr 17, 2019 6:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreambrother808 (Post 8543713)
If these get built I would hope that all ends up being real curved glass.

It will be. Aspac is owned by SHKP. Most of their projects in HK, China & even in Vancouver has the highest quality.

vanman Apr 17, 2019 6:58 PM

I think we can all agree that these twins are an improvement over the original proposal.

https://i.imgur.com/lRZOB5d.jpg

CivicBlues Apr 17, 2019 6:59 PM

They better replace the White Spot they are demolishing !

LeftCoaster Apr 17, 2019 8:08 PM

Why?

SpongeG Apr 17, 2019 8:42 PM

cause its a good spot to eat

officedweller Apr 17, 2019 9:03 PM

I think he means have White Spot return to the new building.

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Comments:

- The curves are different for the area, so it makes the building unique.
- BUT - the 2 towers are sandwiched in between straight-edged / rectangular buildings at 1500 West Georgia and the new one next door, so they don't have much breathing room.
- The tower balconies would be better as wraparound balconies. Some of the ones shown are uselessly narrow and taper off to useless space. Fewer curves would be more elegant - like the 1166 West Pender office tower.
- The podium balconies are too regular compared to the variation shown on the tower - cheapens the effect - looks like a cruise ship. Think One Bloor East in TO.
- Mechanical penthouses on the south elevation should step back - they look a bit overbearing.

Vin Apr 17, 2019 9:26 PM

Why do the renders show so many people milling around like it's the mall?

This is going to be another dead zone....

This area is fast turning into another souless Coal Harbour, but even more boring.

LeftCoaster Apr 17, 2019 9:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SpongeG (Post 8543919)
cause its a good spot to eat

It is?

If I want overcooked bland food I'll cook it myself.

officedweller Apr 17, 2019 9:42 PM

White Spot has bottomless fries....

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PS - It's surprising they are proposing such a bulky podium - especially on the ceremonial park entry - and across from Bayshore's openness.
But I'll bet it's because they can't fit the massing in the height envelope mandated by shadowing limits -
i.e. explaining the tapered tops

It would almost look better if the podium were lifted to mid-tower and became a bridge.

misher Apr 17, 2019 11:21 PM

The design has been modified since the 2017 one:

https://images.dailyhive.com/20190417135129/1608-1616-West-Georgia-Street-Vancouver-2019-3.jpg
I do have some inside information on this development which is telling me that they don't expect the city to approve this but are trying anyway to see what the city says and if they can modify it to get approved.

GenWhy? Apr 17, 2019 11:34 PM

Usually how a rezoning works.

Metro-One Apr 18, 2019 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 8543981)
It is?

If I want overcooked bland food I'll cook it myself.

After spending 6 years in Japan you would be amazed how delicious White Spot becomes. Would kill right now for any of their burgers and yam fries.

Klazu Apr 18, 2019 12:15 AM

I don't understand the hate. Those look amazing and curved glass would look spectacular. I also like the size of the podium facing West Georgia Street.

This area is going to look incredible in just few years. :yes:


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