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Thx for starting the thread klazu. I'm confused on the hiring 10% of employees from downtown east side etc. Since when is it legal to hire someone based on their address within the city?? its blatant discrimination. How about hiring people who are best qualified.
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Thanks for creating a strong and comprehensive thread. We'll direct any further discussion of this site in the BC Place thread here now.
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The current Edgewater has the same policy. Led to some real shady employees when I worked there a long time ago, which caused me to leave quickly (along with feeling like shit about working for a casino period) but was a good way to get them working.
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Ok it's one thing to create a program to help marginalized people. They should say that versus signalling out certain neighbourhoods as if everyone in those areas are welfare cases
Walked by site today. The screen is all gone although the framing for it is still up. Otherwise nothing has happened yet. |
I know somebody that is working on one of the engineering components for the building and says that it has been an absolute uncoordinated mess with constant changes and poor communication across the project team. He is very convinced that it will be behind schedule, but can't point the finger at who is specifically causing the problems.
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1) Any hiring program that targets the local poor is a great asset. Just think of how many people will work at this place. 10% is huge, if they can achieve it. 2) I noticed the One Pacific project was not included in the video, but was in the photos of the model. I completely understand it would obscure the camera angles they were using for the frontage of the building. Let's be honest though, there will be a strong street enclosure created by the two projects along Smithe. I would love the two projects to corrodinate for a higher design standard for the dead-end street they share. Better features like pavers, planters, and even bollards. Like the space between the Shaw tower and the Fairmont downtown or even the Village at SEFC. 3) I can't resist relabelling the red closed lanes as "future streetcar lane". You can always dream. 4) At a more practical level, I think it will be interesting to see non-event traffic is affected that much by the lane closures. West-bound on Expo it forces merging to occur earlier. Pacific won't really be affected as the light at Carrall St. is really the only thing that slows traffic from racing. My point being that it shouldn't change much. Event traffic is a whole different story. At this point, event traffic is hectic. I don't see how this will make a major difference when it is already painful to leave by car. A extra few minutes won't really make a difference. (also why are you driving to the stadiums?) 5) I look forward to seeing more specifics like building materials. Will the coppery front facade of the "resort" be custom milled metal? What type? etc.. 6) The other details I look forward to our the landscaping and art details. Having public usable spaces will diffuse the "gated amenities for gamblers" mentality. I am not saying the anti-casino crowd can be appeased at all. I am just arguing for a more versatile programming of space from day to night and of course during events. 7) Overall, this is much better than the original proposal. |
Thanks for starting the thread, Klazu.
I'm going to be solidly in the "wait-and-see" camp to see how this turns out in practice. The UDP tried hard to ensure north-south pedestrian permeability for the site, ideally a continuous high-quality pedestrian access around the stadium perimeter à la a Georgia Steps to the south, but that just didn't happen and I'm disappointed that we didn't get traction on that. The street-level activity along Pacific Blvd was also a large concern that I don't think has been addressed. During the NEFC workshopping stage, there was serious talk from Pavco at the UDP about eventually reno'ing BC Place to have continuous retail along the west side of Pacific Boulevard (to match the expected at-grade retail in the Metro-Can development on the east side on the Plaza of Nations site) and this was intended to be carried through the potential BC Place office building at the foot of the Georgia Steps and the Site 10A (casino) site. My recollection from the iterations of the casino that came through was that there was a limited amount of retail planned for that stretch of Pacific Blvd, but I'm not sure if that has survived through to the approved final version. I just think that section of Pacific Boulevard between (former) Terry Fox Way and Abbot is going to feel awkward and lacking in pedestrian life. Moreover, the one-time intention of this being a new "entertainment district" for the downtown core (the anti-Granville Street) is dead and buried. |
Thanks for the thread, Klazu.
I hadn't seen the close-up of the irregular fins before - that should be interesting. WRT Pacific Boulevard retail, I can only see that proceeding after there's critical mass in the neighbourhood - i.e. after the Plaza of Nations has been redeveloped. I think there's currently some office space under the concourse along that stretch, so extension and conversion probably wouldn't be too difficult. I could even see 2 level restaurant spaces with entries and patios on the concourse level and seating at the Pacific Boulevard level. WRT stairs, there will be stairs from the concourse down to the Smithe St. Extension roundabout (parallel to Expo Boulevard) as well as stairs through the building atrium. I think in future, there won't be much need to circumnavigate the stadium because the two pedestrian bridges will be removed, so the stairs will lead to the new route across Pacific Boulevard via crosswalks. |
I must say this building design is awful they should have used the original design.
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I think this design will have impressive interior public spaces (big atrium).
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I like the look of it. Gone is the typical style of Vancouver. My concern is that you wont notice the building as much as the concord project will block out parts of the site line
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If this turns out like the rendering, this will be my favorite modern building in the city. This blows away the Telus building (going by render only of course). You don't get a view of the west side of the building. I hope the copper coloured glass wraps all the way around.
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Yes I definitely prefer this design over the old one. Nice and sleek. Not a typical vancouver building at all. Disappointing it won't get the extra table and machines but still better than nothing.
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Can't wait for this project to get started!!
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Back into the "maybe not happening" stage
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