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locolife Jun 12, 2023 8:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MiEncanto (Post 9967000)
The target demo for the 'Yotes high-end fan does not hang out downtown. So in addition to hating the CoP, they don't have much reason to be downtown.

If I were them, I'd beg City of Scottsdale to take me. Give the City the ownership rights to keep it off the tax rolls and don't call it a GPLET (since its just city owned, like the Suns arena). Then you can get your gaming rights and avoid tribal negotiations.

The block between 2nd and 4th street just west of Drinkwater would be a great location. There's mostly just parking garages there now. It's across from the Giants spring training stadium. The City has a lot to gain from a big concert venue in downtown!

One crazy idea I had was to go to Scottsdale Unified and ask to build it on one of their several low enrollment schools and agree to let them use it for a certain number of functions. Let the school hold the land as a long-term lease for tax purposes and also for future use. Pima traditional would be a decent location for them even though Osborn doesn't have a 101 freeway exit.
I didn't realize there was such a big demographic target difference between suns and coyotes fans. I do think all the changes downtown are bringing in a higher end crowd but it doesn't touch the elite Scottsdale crowd for sure.

I think the problem with a location near the Giants park is infrastructure, it's quite a distance from the highway, we know damn well Scottsdale will not support LRT, it sounds like a PITA to get in and out of.

Land near Talking Stick Resort seems like a good fit, minus the tribal negotiation issues that be impossible to overcome.

The longer it goes with no news the more I'm concerned they're gone.

MiEncanto Jun 12, 2023 8:46 PM
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Originally Posted by locolife (Post 9967149)
I didn't realize there was such a big demographic target difference between suns and coyotes fans. I do think all the changes downtown are bringing in a higher end crowd but it doesn't touch the elite Scottsdale crowd for sure.

I think the problem with a location near the Giants park is infrastructure, it's quite a distance from the highway, we know damn well Scottsdale will not support LRT, it sounds like a PITA to get in and out of.

Land near Talking Stick Resort seems like a good fit, minus the tribal negotiation issues that be impossible to overcome.

The longer it goes with no news the more I'm concerned they're gone.
LRT? You think 'Yotes fans are taking light rail to the game? Again you're missing the demo here. The Coyotes want a SMALL arena to hold high-end fans. And yes being in downtown Scottsdale would add to traffic considerations for sure, the Giants and their fans certainly don't mind.

Old town does remarkably well with traffic for events and there would be an opportunity for a large new garage that could serve more than just the arena.

The limitations with tribal land have been well noted. Maybe they still find a way. Another option is state land up near the Scottsdale Quarter. That would make more sense than Fiesta mall but it's not as ideal as south Scottsdale.

exit2lef Jun 12, 2023 8:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MiEncanto (Post 9967161)
LRT? You think 'Yotes fans are taking light rail to the game? Again you're missing the demo here. The Coyotes want a SMALL arena to hold high-end fans. And yes being in downtown Scottsdale would add to traffic considerations for sure, the Giants and their fans certainly don't mind.

Old town does remarkably well with traffic for events and there would be an opportunity for a large new garage that could serve more than just the arena.

The limitations with tribal land have been well noted. Maybe they still find a way. Another option is state land up near the Scottsdale Quarter. That would make more sense than Fiesta mall but it's not as ideal as south Scottsdale.
With a rail-accessible location, some Coyotes fans would indeed take light rail, just as Suns, Diamondbacks, and Rising fans do now. That said, transportation issues are the least of the obstacles to a Scottsdale location. Sheer NIMBYism would sink any arrangement in Scottsdale proper. If they couldn't make it work at Loc Arcos / SkySong in southern Scottsdale, it will never be approved in Old Town.

locolife Jun 12, 2023 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MiEncanto (Post 9967161)
LRT? You think 'Yotes fans are taking light rail to the game? Again you're missing the demo here. The Coyotes want a SMALL arena to hold high-end fans. And yes being in downtown Scottsdale would add to traffic considerations for sure, the Giants and their fans certainly don't mind.

Old town does remarkably well with traffic for events and there would be an opportunity for a large new garage that could serve more than just the arena.

The limitations with tribal land have been well noted. Maybe they still find a way. Another option is state land up near the Scottsdale Quarter. That would make more sense than Fiesta mall but it's not as ideal as south Scottsdale.
I don't see Scottsdale happening and I also don't think a 16,000 seat stadium (what was proposed in Tempe) is all that small, it's only 2,000 or so off from the Foot Print Center.

The owner, Hispanic himself, has made it clear that he intends to focus on growing with the Hispanic demographic, if there is any success in this plan I see a more central location as ideal versus something in North Scottsdale.

But I'm not sure any options truly exist downtown either. It may be the Fiesta Mall site or bust at this point.

YourBuddy Jun 12, 2023 11:52 PM
https://youtu.be/xlnIdkiWajU

They bring up some county island locations, and to me the Oceanside ice arena is kind of an interesting area if you could get them to do something interesting with the wash leading to Tempe Town Lake. Probably some infrastructure questions with that site as well.

MiEncanto Jun 13, 2023 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by locolife (Post 9967285)
I don't see Scottsdale happening and I also don't think a 16,000 seat stadium (what was proposed in Tempe) is all that small, it's only 2,000 or so off from the Foot Print Center.

The owner, Hispanic himself, has made it clear that he intends to focus on growing with the Hispanic demographic, if there is any success in this plan I see a more central location as ideal versus something in North Scottsdale.

But I'm not sure any options truly exist downtown either. It may be the Fiesta Mall site or bust at this point.
You may be right about all that.

I was just saying that the Coyotes arena will be similar in size to the Giants spring training facility and is not a football or baseball stadium so parking/traffic concerns aren't nearly the same.

locolife Jun 13, 2023 4:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MiEncanto (Post 9967307)
You may be right about all that.

I was just saying that the Coyotes arena will be similar in size to the Giants spring training facility and is not a football or baseball stadium so parking/traffic concerns aren't nearly the same.
Yeah that’s a good point I actually didn’t realize the Scottsdale Stadium was that big. Bummer that the city seems dead set against even a discussion on the topic.

BA744PHX Jun 13, 2023 11:16 AM
Finally some uptown development,

A long-vacant parcel on Central Avenue could see a major new development over the next decade, including a 22-story high-rise, planned to bring 1,500 apartments and 20,000 square feet of commercial space across four phases.

New proposal focuses height, commercial on Central

Now, the proposal calls for four phases, with a major emphasis on apartments. The site will develop in quadrants, with the first building planned for the northwest corner of the site. The buildings on the western edge will be the shortest, with buildings on that side reaching five or six stories toward the middle of the site, but decreasing in height as they get closer to Second Avenue, where nearby neighborhoods are generally only one-story homes.


The eastern portions of the site are planned to go higher, with the northeastern piece reaching seven stories with ground-floor commercial space fronting Central Avenue. The southeastern piece is planned to grow the tallest, reaching 22 stories, also with commercial along Central.


https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...y/70304340007/

Obadno Jun 13, 2023 2:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BA744PHX (Post 9967619)
Finally some uptown development,

A long-vacant parcel on Central Avenue could see a major new development over the next decade, including a 22-story high-rise, planned to bring 1,500 apartments and 20,000 square feet of commercial space across four phases.

New proposal focuses height, commercial on Central

Now, the proposal calls for four phases, with a major emphasis on apartments. The site will develop in quadrants, with the first building planned for the northwest corner of the site. The buildings on the western edge will be the shortest, with buildings on that side reaching five or six stories toward the middle of the site, but decreasing in height as they get closer to Second Avenue, where nearby neighborhoods are generally only one-story homes.


The eastern portions of the site are planned to go higher, with the northeastern piece reaching seven stories with ground-floor commercial space fronting Central Avenue. The southeastern piece is planned to grow the tallest, reaching 22 stories, also with commercial along Central.


https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...y/70304340007/
WHere?

ASU Diablo Jun 13, 2023 3:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Obadno (Post 9967817)
WHere?
Central & Glenrossa, across the street from Steele Indian School Park. I posted the full article on the Low and Mid-Rise Thread yesterday.

BA744PHX Jun 13, 2023 4:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo (Post 9967887)
Central & Glenrossa, across the street from Steele Indian School Park. I posted the full article on the Low and Mid-Rise Thread yesterday.
Ah sorry I didn’t see your post, I don’t go into the low mid rise thread

ASU Diablo Jun 13, 2023 5:55 PM
South Hall - Phoenix Convention Center
 
Screenshots I grabbed from today's subcommittee presentation. Unfortunately, I got scheduled for a last minute meeting so I had to mute the call but I was grabbing screenshots as they went along. Of course, I wasn't able to hear any of the timing details. I don't really see anything new being shared here, maybe a couple of the proposed renderings. Looks like they were just voting to approve the Master Plan to serve as a roadmap for future expansion. It may be a while for this one to get off the ground and see any real movement.

They also approved moving forward w/ the RFP for the creation of the entertainment district. I wasn't able to tell if this district would be part of the re-imagined South Hall of the PCC.

https://i.imgur.com/w81TflGh.png

https://i.imgur.com/c7X6ePZh.png

https://i.imgur.com/Pc2rqwdh.png

https://i.imgur.com/bFu52vth.png

https://i.imgur.com/5BLgYHMh.png

https://i.imgur.com/xm7T6DSh.png

https://i.imgur.com/8symP6Lh.png

https://i.imgur.com/xCYJnvnh.png

https://i.imgur.com/gJMRUPkh.png

MiEncanto Jun 13, 2023 6:17 PM
Thanks for posting the slides. I too was listening while working so I caught some of it but not all.

I kept waiting for details on how they might pay for the PCC south reno and didn't catch it. Shy of that, this is all very hypothetical.

There were almost no details on the entertainment district, other than they are proceeding to hire a consultant to create a design.

muertecaza Jun 13, 2023 6:32 PM
For anyone that was listening what was the discussion about expending the boundaries of the CBD? I see that was on the agenda and am curious what was discuss/proposed.

MiEncanto Jun 13, 2023 6:42 PM
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Originally Posted by muertecaza (Post 9968169)
For anyone that was listening what was the discussion about expending the boundaries of the CBD? I see that was on the agenda and am curious what was discuss/proposed.
staff presented several options about expanding in all directions.

It seemed like Council was primarily interested in catching the State Fairgrounds, west to 23rd ave, and south to the Rio RDA on the river. Option B was what they centered on, but it appears they will shift it West a few blocks, so instead of ending at 12th St, it would be 7th St in order to move it 23rd Ave from 19th Ave. This probably caused some consternation among developers and staff, who know there's far more likely to be GPLET usage between 7th and 12th Streets than 19th to 23rd Ave. They talked about going farther north closer to Indian school but noted there's not enough Slum and Blight up there to make the designation.

muertecaza Jun 13, 2023 6:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MiEncanto (Post 9968180)
staff presented several options about expanding in all directions.

It seemed like Council was primarily interested in catching the State Fairgrounds, west to 23rd ave, and south to the Rio RDA on the river. Option B was what they centered on, but it appears they will shift it West a few blocks, so instead of ending at 12th St, it would be 7th St in order to move it 23rd Ave from 19th Ave. This probably caused some consternation among developers and staff, who know there's far more likely to be GPLET usage between 7th and 12th Streets than 19th to 23rd Ave. They talked about going farther north closer to Indian school but noted there's not enough Slum and Blight up there to make the designation.
Thank you!

YourBuddy Jun 13, 2023 7:15 PM
The parking lot between footprint center and chase field needs to go. They are talking about a 4th street activation they need to turn that block into something like the Bucks did with their “deer district.”

ASU Diablo Jun 13, 2023 7:18 PM
1-acre redevelopment site in downtown Phoenix sells for $12M
 
Lots of activity lately. Another potential for a high-rise project here.

https://azbigmedia.com/real-estate/1...sells-for-12m/

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Cushman & Wakefield announced the firm has brokered the sale of an approximately 1.0-acre high-rise apartment redevelopment site in downtown Phoenix, Arizona. The buyer, Masyno Holding LLC (Anthony Bibars, Kal Bibars - Principals), acquired the transit-oriented property located at the northwest corner of 1st and McKinley streets for $12 million — or about $276 per land square foot.

Bound by three streets, the two-parcel property provides for intense densities up to a maximum of 741 residential units. The redevelopment site in downtown Phoenix is strategically positioned within a few blocks of multiple Light Rail stations.

David Fogler and Steven Nicoluzakis with Cushman & Wakefield’s Multifamily Advisory Group in Phoenix represented the seller, Glasir Capital Partners (Nick Lynum, Alan Robinson - Principals), in the transaction. The buyer was represented by Mark Bramlett with Lee & Associates.

“This is a prime high-rise residential site centrally located in the heart of Downtown Phoenix. The buyer capitalized on a great opportunity with the ability to close escrow in two weeks,” said Steven Nicoluzakis, Executive Managing Director.
https://azbigmedia.com/_gatsby/image...75a06f5eb6f417

combusean Jun 13, 2023 7:42 PM
Masyno had some big plans for the series of lots on the NWC of 4th and Osborn and a nearby medical building but I'm not sure what's going on with all that... progress seems slow.

Not really sure what's up with this transaction but I'd say a tower there is very far down the line.

Obadno Jun 13, 2023 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo (Post 9968222)
Lots of activity lately. Another potential for a high-rise project here.

https://azbigmedia.com/real-estate/1...sells-for-12m/



https://azbigmedia.com/_gatsby/image...75a06f5eb6f417

Im not liking that all of our nice potential retail spots are being flattened.


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