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'mystery' location.
Landscape photography / lantern slide "Olive tree, Los Angeles (trees and structure along road), undated" Waugh, F. A. (Frank Albert), 1869-1943 When I first saw this image as a thumbnail https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/IaPgbF.jpg I thought it might be the Wayfarer Chapel under construction. FULL SIZE https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/vfyLSy.jpg UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS, AMHERST LIBRARY When viewed full size you can even see design elements that are reminiscent of Frank Lloyd Wright (and Lloyd Wright) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/Pilag4.jpg DETAIL But I don't think it's the Wayfarers Chapel. For one thing, the landscape photographer [Waugh] died in 1943 The chapel was built between 1949-1951 (F.L.W. designed it a few years earlier) Does anyone know what this 'mystery' structure might be? :shrug: ___ FOR ODINTHOR Which is the olive tree....the one on the left or the one on the right? (Waugh titled his slide 'Olive tree'..as in one tree, singular) _ |
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Scott Charles, what is now E. 41st Street used to be E. 38th Street. I don't know when the change happened, but I believe that both 1279 and 1292 E. 38th/41st are still standing. The building permit for 1292-94 is dated March 20, 1913. There is a building permit listed (but no image) for 1279 dated April 4, 1906. Below, in the upper right corner, is a bit of the Jefferson High School campus: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...1.jpg~original Contemporary Google Aerial Here's the 1921 Baist Map showing that today's E. 41st St. was then E. 38th St., with 1279 and 1292-94 appearing on the map: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...b.jpg~original USCDL |
Street Renumbering
Can anyone tell me the specifics of the renumbering of street addresses in 19th century Los Angeles? When did that happen? What was the starting point of the old system? (Temple Street, maybe?)
I've had a query from someone who is looking to find a photo of 34 Spring Street in the 1870s, which I think has to be one of the 'old' address numbers. How can I translate that into the more modern address that I might be able to find on a Sanborn map? Thanks for any help! |
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This, according to the article, was Elva's home: https://i.imgur.com/pmxzScq.jpg And this would be her brother's house - https://i.imgur.com/5i7UX5Q.jpg It's great finding these old house locations for my family! :) |
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I discovered the E. 38th/41st Street thing when I did my post on White Sox Park, which was on that street just east of Jefferson HS. |
19th-Century LA Street Address Numbering
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ordinance described below was, if I'm not mistaken, supplanted by the one we operate under now in December 1889 (which eliminated two-digit house numbers): http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...g.jpg~original http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...z.jpg~original March 14, 1883, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL Prior to 1883, I think most address numbering, or at least with Spring Street, started at 1; the 1878 LACD has people at 1-1/2 Spring, which would have to be just south of Temple. The 1883-84 LACD is the first to list North and South Spring. So, if the 34 Spring of the 1870s was on the east side of the street, it may have been just south of the old Temple County Courthouse. Does your friend only have the address, or is there any other info (name of owner or type of building, etc.)? I think that site would now be under the City Hall grounds. |
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Great info! And yes, the person is specifically looking for a shoe store operated by Angus S. McDonald (1842-1916). He arrived in Los Angeles in 1869, opened his first store in the original United States Hotel, then later moved it to 34 Spring Street. Thanks so much! |
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I think we're going to need to concentrate our image search on the late 1870s and early 1880s for the location you want. Here are some of Angus S McDonald's entries in the CDs: 1875 A S McDonald, mfr and dlr in boots and shoes, 104 Main 1878 A S McDonald, boots etc, 34 Spring 1879-80 A S McDonald, boot and shoe dealer, 34 Spring 1881-82 A S McDonald, boots and shoes, 34 Spring 1883-84 A S McDonald, manufacturer and dealer boots and shoes, 46 N Spring 1887 A S McDonald, boots and shoes, 46 North Spring 1890 as McDonald & Fisher with Charles L Fisher, 46 North Spring 1891 & 1893 Angus S McDonald, boots and shoes, 118 North Spring |
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Yes, he moved around quite a bit! Also noted residences on 2nd Street in various entries. According to my querier, he started out with a shop in the U.S. Hotel. I presume that was the 104 Main address. Also, am wondering if 118 North Spring is the same spot as 46 North, after the 'renumbering'. |
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I was feeling invincible after finding the woman in the picture with no names on it of 6718 Second Avenue and was immediately frustrated that I was not finding at least some of the names of the hiking girls. Phooey!! |
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"In 1915, the citizen of Los Angeles voted to sell bonds to raise $4,600,000 to build schools in the Los Angeles area. Approximately $500,000 was appropriated to build Jefferson High School on the "Stadium East Grounds" (The Old Coliseum) which held approximately 25,000 people in a circled amphitheater configuration. The "Stadium," as it was known, was the site for hosting and entertaining travelers on the way to both the San Diego and San Francisco world expos in 1915. Numerous rodeos and bicycle races were held at the location." "The Old Coliseum precedes the "Los Angeles Coliseum built in 1929 that hosted two Olympics. It was the main amphitheater in Los Angeles in the late 1800s." I had never heard of this and am intrigued. I wasn't able to find anything further including here on NLA. Does anyone have any more information on "The Old Coliseum"? |
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The Los Angeles Star published, on December 5, 1857: “The near approach of ‘Merry Christmas,’ has prompted a number of gentlemen of our city, desirous of contributing to the amusement which generally enters into its observance, to perfect the necessary arrangements for a series of races, to commence on the 22d inst., upon the course below town.”
But I don't know the location of "the course below town"! :shrug: |
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Jefferson opened in 1916, and was demolished after damage from an earthquake in 1933 (the same earthquake that destroyed the dome of La Grande Station). But prior to the quake, Jefferson High was quite impressive to look at: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...26112_1920.jpg |
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The other house, now directly across from house #2 on Oak Terrace drive was built in 1920 and would not have been there when the pictures of the girls were taken |
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Olive Tree
MYSTERY LOCATION
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I just found out the Broad Museum downtown has a small 'grove' of 100 YEAR OLD olive trees! https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/Z4te3w.jpg pierrelandscape They're Barouni olive trees originally seeded in the early 20th century in groves in the Shasta Cascade region of Northern California. The trees at the plaza are described as being in a bosque. from DSRNY Can you imagine the cost of moving these 100 year old trees to downtown Los Angeles. Wowza! I am impressed Mr. Broad. :worship: __ |
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