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jsbrook Dec 29, 2019 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Knight Hospitaller (Post 8786317)
^If that were Canadian public housing, the banner would say "Chad can wait." ;)

:haha:

Jawnadelphia Dec 30, 2019 4:31 PM

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Yurkek Jan 4, 2020 6:13 PM

Better looking side
https://i.imgur.com/HakFyYK.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/4LoRlQv.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/3sIPXWw.jpg?1

Not a fan of this, especially in contrast with the church
https://i.imgur.com/2IcYAzC.jpg?1

hammersklavier Jan 4, 2020 8:59 PM

Why is the north side the better looking side? That's hidden behind a bunch of Walnut Street highrises while the south side faces St. Mark's Church and will be visible for all to see in perpetuity along Locust. Questionable architect decisions much?

Yurkek Jan 4, 2020 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hammersklavier (Post 8790556)
Why is the north side the better looking side? That's hidden behind a bunch of Walnut Street highrises while the south side faces St. Mark's Church and will be visible for all to see in perpetuity along Locust. Questionable architect decisions much?

Probably the only thing that mattered was the entrance.

SEFTA Jan 4, 2020 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Yurkek (Post 8790463)

Not a fan of this, especially in contrast with the church
https://i.imgur.com/2IcYAzC.jpg?1

Yeah not great. I'll say this, it's better than a blank wall but overall I like the building

Jawnadelphia Jan 5, 2020 12:21 AM

Woof, barf city. The south side is offensive, so cheap, ugly, just blah. Also, I can’t imagine what those panels will look like with some weathering/aging. F- of a building.

iheartphilly Jan 5, 2020 2:37 AM

^^^
Those blue panels remind me of the blue tape on the accents of the CTC, and these are just as annoying and ugly as the blue tape. Horrible color scheme for this bldg.

Brick facade would of been best!

jsbrook Jan 5, 2020 4:44 PM

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Originally Posted by iheartphilly (Post 8790719)
^^^
Those blue panels remind me of the blue tape on the accents of the CTC, and these are just as annoying and ugly as the blue tape. Horrible color scheme for this bldg.

Brick facade would of been best!

Yeah, they should not have been so damn cheap and should have done the whole thing as grey/blue brick and glass. This is actually the worst building of its size to rise in Rittenhouse in recent memory

3rd&Brown Jan 7, 2020 3:45 AM

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Originally Posted by iheartphilly (Post 8740526)
I certainly don't want to see bad architecture in Philly for sure. Hyatt Centric has a unique shape to it and isn't just a vertical rectangle. In giving it more thought and another look of the design, I think the design is fine. Like others, I now think the issue was with the downgrade of materials or not following what we saw from the original renders in terms of material currently be installed as compared to the renders.

Eric Leighton did 500 Walnut as part of the Cecil team and giving the lot and spatial surrounding, I think it turned out very good. One Riverside from Cecil is good too. Not great, but good.

I think philosophically we can all easily say lets get Philly the best design and best material that the budget can afford or the developer is willing to spend. But, at the end of the day, I think all projects look for a ROI and are constrained by budget that determined the designs and outcomes of how the projects will look when factoring labor costs and the amount of rent or selling cost each unit can fetch. But, I'm no insider so I can't claim to know the decision making and selection process of how all this works. For example, if the developer goes through a bidding process and ask architects for design proposals or is favored to do business with one selected architect for its project and makes the final decision. Some developers may just have bad taste in selecting design/materials, or their taste grossly differs from ours. Like the saying goes, just because you have money doesn't mean you have taste. Who knows?

With the prices people paid at 500 Walnut, outcome should have been better than "very good".

Also, I'd argue it's incredibly mediocre. It looks like a suburban office park building.

Time for Cecil and friends to to hang up their hats. There used to be something tasteful and timeless about his style. Now it's just geometric panels...and in dated configurations from day one.

The only (Philly based) architects doing interesting and/or high quality work in Philly at this point that I can think of are ISA, Canno, and QB3. For a while, I would have had Kiernan Timberlake on that list, but their style is stuck in a time warp and seems to have stopped evolving.

I'd rather work go to outside firms until this folks up their game or prove me wrong.

jsbrook Jan 7, 2020 9:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SEFTA (Post 8790617)
Yeah not great. I'll say this, it's better than a blank wall but overall I like the building

A blank wall the entire length of the Locust-facing facade with a mural would have been 1,000 times better than this. Couldn't because they needed the windows for the hotel rooms.

SEFTA Jan 7, 2020 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jsbrook (Post 8792551)
A blank wall the entire length of the Locust-facing facade with a mural would have been 1,000 times better than this. Couldn't because they needed the windows for the hotel rooms.

LOL Trying to be positive. It's pretty bad. I like the folded north wall. I have not seen it and the materials in person.

iheartphilly Jan 7, 2020 2:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown (Post 8792420)
With the prices people paid at 500 Walnut, outcome should have been better than "very good".

Also, I'd argue it's incredibly mediocre. It looks like a suburban office park building.

Time for Cecil and friends to to hang up their hats. There used to be something tasteful and timeless about his style. Now it's just geometric panels...and in dated configurations from day one.

The only (Philly based) architects doing interesting and/or high quality work in Philly at this point that I can think of are ISA, Canno, and QB3. For a while, I would have had Kiernan Timberlake on that list, but their style is stuck in a time warp and seems to have stopped evolving.

I'd rather work go to outside firms until this folks up their game or prove me wrong.

I hear you loud and clear and share in the sentiments, especially when I've seen awesome designs in NYC, Shanghai, London, etc...it makes Philly pale in comparison. And, I'm not sure why local architects want to short change Philly in design as a major US city and a popular city with tourists from abroad. Maybe we skyscraper nerds are more critical and care more about appearances of a design, and it's not even our profession or namesake on the design. :shrug:

City Wide Jan 9, 2020 2:23 AM

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Originally Posted by iheartphilly (Post 8792642)
I hear you loud and clear and share in the sentiments, especially when I've seen awesome designs in NYC, Shanghai, London, etc...it makes Philly pale in comparison. And, I'm not sure why local architects want to short change Philly in design as a major US city and a popular city with tourists from abroad. Maybe we skyscraper nerds are more critical and care more about appearances of a design, and it's not even our profession or namesake on the design. :shrug:

From the little that I've heard consistently down through the years has been that clients in Philly have to be very gently walked through the design process with much hand holding every step of the way if the design is going to be anything other then the cut and paste stuff we're used to seeing. (Of course theres some clients like Comcast and Penn that will automatically go for the high priced spread)

If that's true then it must get very tiring to do that over and over when so many architects are successful and seem very content to have their work be cash for trash. I'd be the first to agree that a low to normal budget doesn't have to mean low to middling design, but its a lot of work to pull off a good design especially if the client doesn't care.

I doubt that outfits like PMC care very much about the design of their buildings, as long as its 'OK' and doesn't threaten potential renters and is generally cheap and easy to build. I doubt they would be willing to spend 1% more on design even if construction costs were the same but the end result looked great and won awards. And nobody else is pushing them to do differently.

iheartphilly Jan 9, 2020 2:28 AM

^
Agreed. I think renters care more about location and amenities above all else, especially the new bldgs where roof top decks and pools or gardens, a spin room and gym, game room, movie room etc., are common amenities nowadays. Seems to be the trend and go to playbook for them. And landlords know that this is what gets people to rent when they offer amenities as opposed to some above average design that should be considered as more of a long term goal of its portfolio and selling points of ideal location and iconic bldg...

Jawnadelphia Mar 3, 2020 8:28 PM

De-evolution of Man Building:

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Knight Hospitaller Mar 3, 2020 9:10 PM

In the best recent tradition of designing three of four sides (cf. The W). Gosh, a little brick would've gone a long way on the south facade.

GtownFriend Mar 3, 2020 9:33 PM

On the other hand you can't accuse it of compeatnig for attention with the Church ;)

Knight Hospitaller Mar 3, 2020 10:22 PM

^It's like some schlub turning up at a formal dinner in a t-shirt and shorts. He's going to stand out.

iheartphilly Mar 4, 2020 2:11 AM

^^^
The 1st and 2nd photos from Jawn's set that shows the side of the Hyatt facing the church is truly awful. You can see all the surrounding old masonry buildings and then this thing is just smack in the middle of all the bldgs-looking fake and cheap because of the poor choice of cladding. SMH.

TonyTone Mar 5, 2020 5:03 AM

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Originally Posted by iheartphilly (Post 8850032)
^^^
The 1st and 2nd photos from Jawn's set that shows the side of the Hyatt facing the church is truly awful. You can see all the surrounding old masonry buildings and then this thing is just smack in the middle of all the bldgs-looking fake and cheap because of the poor choice of cladding. SMH.

+1 You'd think they would create a design that FITS the area.

Jawnadelphia Mar 31, 2020 1:01 AM

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