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City Wide Oct 5, 2016 9:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeNigh (Post 7584719)
It's too close to 30th station to not be a tower. If they are going to let shits like that that close to the major transportation hub then they should allow more towers outside of center city.

just to make sure I understand what the beef is, is that 2400 Market is not a tower. I would certainly like to see a large tower there, and I still can't get my head around why it isn't happening, but I don't want our screwed up City fathers and mothers telling some one they have to build a tower if they don't want to. Maybe if the tax base was based on the worth of the land and not the building, something might change. But that method has just as many problems as the existing set up.

hammersklavier Oct 5, 2016 9:37 PM

Guys, this is the Hyatt Centric thread. Kvetching about Aramark should go in the General Developments thread.

summersm343 Nov 17, 2016 1:46 AM

Demolition permit issued for the garage/Little Pete's

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...0e&oe=58C09C85

summersm343 Dec 21, 2016 2:22 AM

12/20/2016

Construction signage and permits are up

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...6d&oe=58F8599A

jsbrook Dec 24, 2016 3:03 PM

Does anyone know when the demo is supposed to begin?

Caruso975 Dec 25, 2016 2:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by City Wide (Post 7584832)
just to make sure I understand what the beef is, is that 2400 Market is not a tower. I would certainly like to see a large tower there, and I still can't get my head around why it isn't happening, but I don't want our screwed up City fathers and mothers telling some one they have to build a tower if they don't want to. Maybe if the tax base was based on the worth of the land and not the building, something might change. But that method has just as many problems as the existing set up.

The large floor plate, shorter building is much less expensive to building than a tall tower. The developers were targeting a part of the office market which desired new space but did not want to pay the rent associated with a tall, slender tower. Aramark was such a customer, very cost conscious, unwilling to pay a +$40 per SF NNN necessary to support a new tall tower. This is the same reason why high-rise office development has lagged in Market East. Actually has very little to do with zoning.

summersm343 Jan 3, 2017 9:34 PM

Little Pete's gets a deadline to leave 17th Street

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After dodging the wrecking ball for several years, the quintessential Center City diner Little Pete's has a deadline to leave its home of more than 38 years to make way for a hotel.

Owner Pete Koutroubas​ said today that developers had recently served him with nine months' notice, meaning that the restaurant's last day at 17th and Chancellor Streets would be Aug. 31.

But the diner, where the rich and the poor rub elbows 24 hours a day, could close sooner.

Koutroubas said he would be amenable to leaving before the summer "if they give us money." He said the leases of other tenants in the building will expire in May. A representative for Chancellor Hotel Associates, developers of the Hyatt Centric, did not immediately return a message seeking comment.

Koutroubas has been scouting Center City for a new location to supplement the other Little Pete's location, in Fairmount.

Koutroubas said he was balking at paying what he called "sky-high" Center City rents. He said that when Little Pete's opened in 1978 in a former Dewey's, the rent for its 1,200 square feet was $800 a month. Now, he said, it is $10,000.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/t...th-Street.html

jsbrook Jan 3, 2017 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by summersm343 (Post 7666528)
Little Pete's gets a deadline to leave 17th Street



http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/t...th-Street.html

I am simultaneously sad to see Little Pete's go and excited for the Hyatt Centric. It's time. I wish Little Pete's could have gone to the 1500 block of Chestnut, but maybe the rents even there are too much for them. There is some sitdown restaurant that serves alcohol moving to the location the Dollar Store vacated. The Notice of Alcohol was posted within the last week or so on the window.

summersm343 Jan 3, 2017 11:02 PM

^^I mean there are a lot of opportunities for them. What about Chestnut somewhere between 7th and 12th? Or Walnut somewhere between 21st and 23rd? Or along South Street somewhere?

It's time for this garage to be replaced with a highrise luxury hotel brand.

jsbrook Jan 3, 2017 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by summersm343 (Post 7666621)
^^I mean there are a lot of opportunities for them. What about Chestnut somewhere between 7th and 12th? Or Walnut somewhere between 21st and 23rd? Or along South Street somewhere?

It's time for this garage to be replaced with a highrise luxury hotel brand.

Agree. It doesn't have to be 17th Street on a very hot, expensive strip. I hope they can find a spot. I can't imagine the blocks you mention are anywhere near as expensive as their current digs.

summersm343 Jan 4, 2017 7:09 PM

Center City site where Little Pete's is located sold

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Plans for a Hyatt Centric hotel on the Chancellor Street property are moving forward.

An entity affiliated with Hyatt Hotels Corp. paid $25 million for a Chancellor Street property where Little Pete’s restaurant is located and a hotel is planned.

The Hyatt entity bought the hotel portion of the project for $18.54 million, a parking component for $4 million, and a retail portion for $2.46 million. The property spans 1612-34 Chancellor St.

The parcels were sold by an entity affiliated with William McNamara of Haverford Properties and Richard Zeghibe of Patriot Parking, according to Philadelphia real estate records. McNamara, managing member of the partnership that owned the site, couldn’t be reached immediately for comment. A representative from Hyatt, the Chicago-based hotel operator, also couldn't immediately be reached for comment.

Plans for the hotel and related uses have been controversial because it has meant the eventual closing of Little Pete’s, a popular diner that has been at the location facing 17th Street for nearly 40 years. The restaurant received notice that it will need to vacate its space by the end of August, according to a report in the Philadelphia Inquirer.

A new hotel has been in the works on the property since 2014 when Morgans Hotel Group Co. of New York announced plans to construct a $125 million, 300-room hotel. Those plans were ditched for a Hyatt urban brand called Hyatt Centric which is “designed to reflect its urban location and local culture.” The Hyatt Centric will stand 13 stories and total 234,798 square feet of which the hotel will be 190,904 square feet, a 13,157-square-foot will be retail and a 220-space parking garage will total 30,737 square feet. The hotel will have 309 rooms.

The Hyatt Centric will add to the already growing list of hotels under construction in Philadelphia. Center City has seven hotels totaling 1,864 keys in various stages of development, which is a 17-percent increase in hotel-room supply, according to data by Visit Philadelphia. Roughly 973 additional rooms in six additional hotels are in the planning stages.

There are people filling rooms at existing hotels as a result of more conventions, large-scale events such as the Democratic National Convention and a thriving hospitality and tourism industry. Occupancy of the city’s hotels were strong last year as a record 41 million visitors came to the five-county region last year, spending $6.7 billion, according to Econsult Solutions data.
http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelp...s-located.html

Daario Jan 4, 2017 8:47 PM

Any speculation as to where Little Pete's is going to move? It's always been one of my favorite spots in the area to hang out.

summersm343 Mar 7, 2017 12:26 AM

Little Pete's sets its closing date

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Pete Koutroubas​ confirms social-media chatter that Memorial Day - Monday, May 29 at 11:59 p.m. - will be the finale for Little Pete's, the landmark, 24-hour Center City diner at 17th and Chancellor Streets.

Little Pete's building has a date this year with a wrecking ball to make way for a Hyatt Centric hotel.
Read more here:
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/t...sing-date.html

jsbrook Mar 7, 2017 1:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daario (Post 7667555)
Any speculation as to where Little Pete's is going to move? It's always been one of my favorite spots in the area to hang out.

Koutroubas said their search is focused on Fishtown, but the main thing they're looking for is cheap rents.

SEFTA Mar 7, 2017 8:59 PM

Does anyone know what the back of this project is to look like? I'm hoping it won't be a blank wall. The St James facade overlooks a beautiful church, rectory and yard

summersm343 Apr 28, 2017 1:20 AM

Fall 2017 start date for this according to the Center City District report:
http://centercityphila.org/uploads/a...2017-final.pdf

summersm343 May 25, 2017 12:51 AM

Little Pete's is closing Monday

Read more here:
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/t...sing-date.html

1487 May 25, 2017 12:31 PM

No demo permit for this garage yet.

jsbrook May 25, 2017 2:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 1487 (Post 7814779)
No demo permit for this garage yet.

Mmm...I live nearby and thought I had seen a permit. Though maybe not. The original demolition wasn't expected till August and Little Pete's could have stayed longer than it is. But I'll try to swing past today and scope out whether there is a permit up.

MikeNigh Jun 23, 2017 6:47 PM

Little Pete's being destroyed -

https://kek.gg/i/7W6KDt.jpg

summersm343 Jul 28, 2017 5:18 PM

7/27/2017

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...f6&oe=59F883C1

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...41&oe=59FD7726

1487 Jul 28, 2017 6:01 PM

looks like its about to go down

boxbot Jul 29, 2017 5:23 AM

All photos are vanished from the first page. I believe this is the current iteration.

http://i.imgur.com/tZypuma.png

http://i.imgur.com/ZsxES5i.png

http://i.imgur.com/74cpLR7.jpg

cjPhilly Jul 31, 2017 5:51 PM

It can't be overstated how much of an improvement this will (should) be.

summersm343 Sep 18, 2017 10:58 PM

Update from Building Philly

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...b6&oe=5A405663

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...c9&oe=5A57DF05

https://www.facebook.com/BuildingPhilly/

1487 Sep 19, 2017 12:11 PM

finally some visible signs of progress.

SEFTA Sep 19, 2017 1:03 PM

Is this taking just the white parking garage space or will it be occupying more than that?
Is it just the white garage being torn down?

Fairmount2Fishtown Sep 19, 2017 1:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEFTA (Post 7926749)
Is this taking just the white parking garage space or will it be occupying more than that?
Is it just the white garage being torn down?


https://image.ibb.co/cMmsuQ/IMG_0721.jpg

Capsule F Sep 19, 2017 5:49 PM

Does anyone else think this building is a little Hyatt centric? Don't you think they should consider the viewpoint of some other hotel chains?

Knight Hospitaller Sep 19, 2017 6:25 PM

Yes, a supremacist/triumphalist brand name.

boxbot Sep 19, 2017 8:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capsule F (Post 7927085)
Does anyone else think this building is a little Hyatt centric? Don't you think they should consider the viewpoint of some other hotel chains?

More like Hyatt Eccentric, am I right people?

Knight Hospitaller Sep 19, 2017 8:56 PM

^Brilliant.

jjv007 Sep 19, 2017 9:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxbot (Post 7927294)
More like Hyatt Eccentric, am I right people?

:worship:

shadowbat2 Sep 19, 2017 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEFTA (Post 7926749)
Is this taking just the white parking garage space or will it be occupying more than that?
Is it just the white garage being torn down?

The white structure and the building behind it (that says AVON) were part of the garage. Both will come down....

Capsule F Sep 21, 2017 12:07 AM

My joke was funnier.

Mr Saturn64 Sep 21, 2017 2:09 AM

I just now realized that this building is coming up right next to St. Mark's. That's one of Rittenhouse Square's best architectural treasures. The contrast the Hyatt Centric makes with it could be a very interesting one.

summersm343 Sep 29, 2017 2:01 AM

9/28/2017

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...d0&oe=5A80902B

summersm343 Oct 30, 2017 4:01 PM

10/27/2017

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...ab&oe=5AA702AB

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...9c&oe=5A677E48

Londonee Oct 30, 2017 4:23 PM

Demolition has been slow and steady with that one - a lot of interior work, stripping it down and getting rid of the building's guts. But man, the exterior is really turning into a graffiti'd eyesore - eager to get it knocked down and this project underway.

1487 Oct 30, 2017 5:01 PM

I was just over there and saw nothing happening. Not one person on site.

PHL10 Oct 30, 2017 5:45 PM

I'm curious if they closed the 17th Street sidewalk only for the demolition phase or if the City is letting them do that for the the entire construction period.

City Wide Oct 30, 2017 7:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHL10 (Post 7970062)
I'm curious if they closed the 17th Street sidewalk only for the demolition phase or if the City is letting them do that for the the entire construction period.

The City seems to be ok with letting sidewalks be closed for long periods of time for construction, as long as the proper permit is paid for. Councilman Gym was making some noise early this year about making it harder and more expensive for sidewalks to be closed. Something about having to prove there's no other option. Sounds good to me.

iheartphilly Oct 30, 2017 7:55 PM

They can set up support/scaffolding type under construction facade or the build for people to walk under if there is no other alternative. I've also seen them put water-filled plastic jersey barriers on the street as a pedestrian path when the sidewalk is closed. Each solution is a case-by-case analysis.

Mr Saturn64 Nov 1, 2017 3:31 PM

So, once this building gets demolished (which is evidently moving at a sloth's pace), how long will it be before we see some construction?

1487 Nov 1, 2017 4:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Saturn64 (Post 7972440)
So, once this building gets demolished (which is evidently moving at a sloth's pace), how long will it be before we see some construction?

probably a while- last time I checked no new construction zoning or building permits existed for the hotel

The Best Forumer Nov 1, 2017 4:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Saturn64 (Post 7972440)
So, once this building gets demolished (which is evidently moving at a sloth's pace), how long will it be before we see some construction?


whats taking so long anywayz????

summersm343 Dec 1, 2017 2:11 AM

11/30/2017

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...6b&oe=5AA14193

jsbrook Dec 1, 2017 9:17 AM

I live near here, and this garage demolition is agonizingly slow...I walk by all the time for signs of progress. There was lots of emptying out and internal demo for awhile, but everything has seemed to slow down lately...

shadowbat2 Dec 15, 2017 9:45 AM

I walk by this site frequently and on Thursday, I spotted something new:
Fencing has just gone up along this alleyway-it was not like this on Tuesday when I was here last. Looks like hardcore demo may actually start soon....

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4560/...6cc314b5_c.jpgLittle Pete's garage by shad obat, on Flickr

boxbot Dec 15, 2017 9:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowbat2 (Post 8019687)
hardcore demo may actually start soon...

http://www.rantlifestyle.com/wp-cont.../Costume17.jpg

Oh, yeah...


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