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MiEncanto Jul 7, 2023 5:45 PM

When I first started my career the old dudes insisted on going to that dump. The food was below average and the building was in terrible shape back then. I can't imagine its condition now but preserving that seems like wasted energy.

Obadno Jul 7, 2023 6:49 PM


Originally Posted by MiEncanto (Post 9986767)
When I first started my career the old dudes insisted on going to that dump. The food was below average and the building was in terrible shape back then. I can't imagine its condition now but preserving that seems like wasted energy.

The restaurant has been closed for years. The building looks like it might be nice under the awful stucco. But I was more interested in the lot becoming more apartments.

CrestedSaguaro Jul 12, 2023 11:05 PM

Pretty good view of the skyline today from Phoenix Children's webcam:

locolife Jul 14, 2023 4:24 PM


Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro (Post 9990672)
Pretty good view of the skyline today from Phoenix Children's webcam:

What a difference a few years makes, would be cool to see a side by side of this view from 2010.

Obadno Jul 14, 2023 4:42 PM


Originally Posted by locolife (Post 9991821)
What a difference a few years makes, would be cool to see a side by side of this view from 2010.

Most striking would be like 2008 or 2007. Pre Freeport McMorran, Sheraton and a half built 44 Monroe

Obadno Jul 14, 2023 6:46 PM

At least some people in Phoenix seem to have their heads on straight, to go against the scottsdale front lawn ban. The city is prioritzing planting LEAFY TREES (Not palms)

this is what we need more of:


PHOENIX (3TV/CBS 5) — From cycling, walking or taking public transit for work or school, sometimes the harsh Valley summer sun is unavoidable. This makes hunting for shade crucial.

“We call it shade hopping,” said Lora Martens with Phoenix Heat Response & Mitigation Office. “When you go from shade to shade it might take you a little bit longer to get from one place to another.”
Martens is working to plant lots of trees as part of the city’s cooling corridor program. “We are prioritizing areas of the city where people are using the streets more, or the most, but also equally distributing across the city.” The goal is to root 200 trees per mile in select areas the $1.5 million plan began growing last year.

Areas they are looking to add trees to:

Areas where people would walk, bike, jog, etc. if more shade existed there.
Areas where people would prefer to walk, bike, etc. to get to a destination (work, favorite coffee shop, lunch spot, fitness) because parking is scarce.
Areas that could benefit from more shade to invite more customers.
Areas near schools so the little ones are protected from the heat when they walk, bike, or ride their scooter to school.

Areas where tree growth will not interfere with overhead power lines or underground utilities as the tree matures.

This is part of the city’s more comprehensive plan to add more trees throughout the city and, in turn, more shade. The city planted more than 3,500 trees last year. “Trees have a lot of co-benefits, they clean the air, they’re beautiful they provide bird habits,” Martens said. The city said they are buying these trees from local nurseries and are aiming for low water use trees. Here are five of the species they are selecting:

Mulga – Acacia aneura

Ghost Gum – Eucalyptus papuana

Southern Live Oak – Quercus virginiana

Chinese Elm – Ulmus parviflora

Blue Palo Verde – Parkinsonia florida

ASUSunDevil Jul 19, 2023 3:17 PM

Maricopa County allocates $4M for proposed UArizona Health Sciences Phoenix
Groundbreaking soon?

combusean Jul 20, 2023 12:02 AM

I can't see the rest of the article but that's a really strange use of funds on the county level. I wonder what they're getting out of it.

GhostNotes Jul 20, 2023 1:29 AM


Originally Posted by combusean (Post 9995503)
I can't see the rest of the article but that's a really strange use of funds on the county level. I wonder what they're getting out of it.

It's federal money from the American Rescue Plan Act (COVID stimulus), it's just being allocated by the County. Supposedly this new research center will focus on immunology, thus the connection.

Obadno Jul 21, 2023 5:36 PM

Back From the Dead
So, it appears that the Northeast Corner of Indian School and Central is back from the dead. the office portion is scaled back and its no longer as unique but overall, Anyone able to find new renderings?

it's still a very dense project it looks like:


COVID and the social and market repercussions of the post-pandemic shift have created new development opportunities yielding tens of millions of square feet and hundreds of thousands of new units, not to mention hundreds of millions of words written about the phenomenon over tens of thousands of news articles.

One equally interesting but less frequently reported on phenomenon is how the market changes have brought many projects that had previously sat idle off the sidelines and back into the development pipeline.

One such project that’s certain to add significantly to the coverage word count once other outlets realize it exists is the plan for The Central Park from Pivotal Group. After sitting on hold for nearly four years, Pivotal Group recently applied to the City of Phoenix for a Planning Hearing Officer action to modify or remove seven stipulations attached to the original approval so the project may once again move forward and incorporate the changes spurred by “the new normal.”

The hearing is scheduled for August 16, according to a notice from the Phoenix Planning & Development Department.

Central Park History

The original development plan called for six towers between 165 and 355 feet in height with office, multifamily, senior living, hotel and retail components on more than 17.8 gross acres at the NEC of Central Avenue and Indian School Road in Phoenix next to Steele Indian School Park.

When the project rezoning was approved by Phoenix City Council in July 2019, it was touted as a “catalyst and a linchpin” that could spur development in the area. Groundbreaking at the time was expected by August 2021.

The original plan called for:

250 market-rate apartments,
150 condominiums,
200 senior-housing units,
760KSF total of commercial office space divided between two towers, and
A 200-room hotel.
In March 2020, it was reported that Pivotal representatives said they were working with the City to finalize plans and were marketing the project to potential tenants, adding that the final construction timeline would be determined by tenant commitments and market demand.

And there the status lingered.

A review of status notes for the project in the DATABEX project database shows Pivotal Group maintained an interest in the project and remained responsive to requests for information, but that there was little in the way of actual movement. Highlights from the DATABEX status timeline include:

8/12/20: Representatives said: “In regards to if we will be developing all portions or selling off any parcels to separate developers, no direction has been decided yet.”
11/30/20: “No new information available.”
3/1/21: “The project is on hold.”
10/22/21: “The project is still on hold.”
1/3/22: “A Zoning Adjustment was applied for and approved in November 2021 that gives the developer 2 years to apply & pay for building permits.”
4/22/22: “…nothing new has been submitted to the City.”
12/21/22: “The project is still on hold with no plans to move forward at this time.”
12/28/22: “They are doing a re-visioning design charrette in January and should have a better idea about the new direction of their project by then.”
2/20/23: “They are currently in the review process, once finalized and ready they will reach back out to us.”
5/29/23: “Per Phoenix planning as of 5/9/23: Nothing new has been filed with the City.”
Then, finally, enough stars aligned to warrant this entry:

7/14/23: “Stipulation Modification request is scheduled to be heard at the 8/16/23 Planning Hearing Officer meeting. The scope of the project has changed from 6 buildings to 7 buildings.”
The New Vision

The application requesting the stipulation changes prepared by Withey Morris Baugh, the firm representing the project, lays out how the vision has evolved since the original 2019 approval: “This firm represents Central Park I, LLC in its request to update the stipulations from its 2019 zoning case and allow the development of a modern urban mixed-use development as envisioned by original approvals. In the four years that have passed since this project was originally approved, the world has changed dramatically – and along with it the market and demand for land uses across the spectrum both locally and globally. The City of Phoenix is in the midst of a serious housing supply crisis, and a global pandemic has forever changed the way people work, shop, and dine. The new land use plan reflects these new realities – responding to the City’s housing supply challenges with a more robust residential component, reducing the commercial office offerings, and reimagining the retail and restaurant experience to reflect consumer preferences and patterns.

“This four-year intermission has also provided the development team an opportunity to evaluate the functionality and practicality of the original conceptual design more carefully and thoughtfully. The updated site layout reflects the lessons learned with a simpler, more efficient, and more accessible configuration that maintains fidelity to the intent of the original development concept and the Uptown TOD Plan. Central Park I, LLC is pleased to bring this application forward for a unique, walkable, and vibrant mixed-use development that will provide the urban hub of activity that has long been envisioned for this site and for the Uptown Phoenix corridor.”

In total, the updated plan for The Central Park features 1,450 residential units, 245KSF of office and 78KSF of ground-floor retail and restaurant space. The seven buildings are configured in three “blocks” to be accessed by internal streets on both north/south and east/west orientations. The project was originally planned on a diagonal corridor, but the updated proposal claims the new grid configuration will be more accessible for both vehicle-based and pedestrian users.

According to the narrative project overview, “The northwest block of the development (buildings D, E, and G as noted on the Conceptual Site Plan) will feature a 21-story residential tower, an 18-story office tower, and a market/grocer space with an adjacent restaurant. The northwest block (buildings H and F) will offer a 21-story condo tower and a 320-unit senior independent living community over an 8KSF ground-floor restaurant/retail space. The residential and office towers in the northwest and northeast blocks will feature podium construction and each building will accommodate its own parking.”

It goes on to say, “The updated design concept is anchored by a centralized open space plaza that will serve as the center of activity and gathering place for the development. Flanked on three sides by ground-floor restaurant and retail spaces with outdoor patios, this space is designed to be the nucleus of The Central Park… As illustrated in the renderings, the plaza will be adorned with turf areas, shade trees, seating areas, lighting, and art to create a comfortable, inviting, and vibrant space for visitors to dine, shop, gather, and relax. Above the ground-floor restaurant and retail spaces in the southern block of the development are a pair of eight-story luxury multi-family communities (buildings A, B, and C), bisected by the grand pedestrian corridor and gateway running from the corner of Central & Indian School to the main plaza.”

The PHO hearing is scheduled for August 16. The Pivotal Group (Central Park I LLC) is the owner and developer. AO Architects is the design firm, and the project is represented by Withey Morris Baugh, PLC.

combusean Jul 21, 2023 5:52 PM

Well sheee-it. Talk about a project stagnating with too much office space, and it's like I was reading the minds of the development gods.

This is a *much* better designed project in every way I can think of.

MMDelon Jul 21, 2023 6:29 PM

I thought this was 100% dead and a pie in the sky project. Looks like there is one new rendering on the link that was posted.

Obadno Jul 21, 2023 6:38 PM


Originally Posted by MMDelon (Post 9996987)
I thought this was 100% dead and a pie in the sky project. Looks like there is one new rendering on the link that was posted.

Yeah looks like they added a rendering after my post. Huge improvement to the area

ASU Diablo Jul 21, 2023 6:48 PM

Wow this is really nice!! Back from the dead...:cheers:

CrestedSaguaro Jul 21, 2023 8:01 PM

Looks great, but I think the name should be changed. I can see all the confusions it's going to create with "Park Central". :haha:

TJPHXskyscraperfan Jul 22, 2023 5:03 PM

Sounds cool and looks awesome! Hopefully it gets off the ground soon!

azsunsurfer Jul 22, 2023 6:12 PM

If that's the site plan for the first floor uses then it seems like a drastic reduction in retail. Even though it's not a site heavy for retail I would think a chain gym, drug store and/or grocery store would do well there along with restaurants and services....unless that "market" is earmarked as a store. A food hall would work especially when they are having events at the park.

ASU Diablo Jul 24, 2023 10:02 PM

The Central Park
Central Park PBJ article and new renderings below. Looks fantastic!

locolife Jul 24, 2023 10:20 PM

Caught a cool view of the cranes downtown over the weekend, snapped it real quick while at a red light so quality isn't the greatest but seeing all the cranes never gets old.

PHX31 Jul 24, 2023 10:29 PM

Are those for Saiya, Realm, and Palmcourt tower? So just to the right would be 3 more cranes - two for Central Station and one for X Phoenix?

Cool pic nonetheless with the palms and Westward Ho. Thanks for posting.

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