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NYguy Feb 19, 2009 3:26 PM


February 19, 2009

The Lower Manhattan Development Corp. said yesterday the condemned former Deutsche Bank building will be gone by this fall, and released plans for taking it down.

Decontamination is expected to be complete by the end of March. Work will start in late April on tearing down the remaining 26 floors.

Among new safety measures is an alarm on the standpipes and special emergency exits. Two firefighters were killed in a 2007 blaze because the standpipe had been cut.

UrbanSoldier Feb 19, 2009 3:42 PM

:previous: It's about f*cking time!

hunser Feb 19, 2009 7:48 PM


Originally Posted by UrbanSoldier (Post 4097716)
:previous: It's about f*cking time!

you say it! :yes:

NYguy Feb 20, 2009 2:39 AM

We'll celebrate when it's finally down. With this one, you can never be too sure. There's always a sequal.

HOUSTONIAN57 Feb 20, 2009 11:59 PM

More renderings from 2007...

(From SSC)

NYguy Feb 22, 2009 1:56 AM

^ That's a design we won't get to see. Some liked it, others hated it.

ZZ-II Feb 22, 2009 9:30 AM

i personally like it :)

Dac150 Feb 22, 2009 5:07 PM

As did I. If these folks are smart then they'll allow the design of something similar. Office space demand will come back to the point of where it was, and when that happens a tower like that will be swept up very quickly.

CoolCzech Feb 23, 2009 2:00 AM


Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 4102234)
^ That's a design we won't get to see. Some liked it, others hated it.

It could stand some refinement, but it has the makings of a striking design. People forget that that sheer size alone can make a building look attractive. I don't know better than anyone else how long the current economic difficulties will last, but they will end one day. We should build for the future.

theWatusi Feb 23, 2009 2:59 AM

I'm glad the "urinal" won't get built

philvia Feb 23, 2009 4:16 AM

i liked the JP design also

too bad the "urinal" won't get built

Dac150 Feb 23, 2009 4:38 AM


Originally Posted by CoolCzech (Post 4103940)
We should build for the future.

Indeed we should, because when the day comes where the space will be needed and it isn't present, industry will move on and an opportunity will be lost. The fact remains that though the Manhattan commercial market, among others, may not be as gleaming as it was not too long ago, the day will come where this 'urinal' will be in demand.

This may not be the design, but something of this nature must come to be.

NYguy Feb 23, 2009 1:49 PM

I didn't mind the design. In fact, I thought it complemented Tower 4.

But some people were afraid of the cantilever.

NYguy Mar 14, 2009 1:02 PM

Countdown to the fall....

MARCH 13, 2009

Nomadd22 Mar 16, 2009 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 4139719)
Countdown to the fall....

No, I'm pretty sure they'll take it down one piece at a time.

I imagine they'd be happy to have the site as a staging area for the other projects. It's getting kind of crowded down there.

That old design always looked like a design by committee to me.

NYguy Mar 16, 2009 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by Nomadd22 (Post 4142696)
No, I'm pretty sure they'll take it down one piece at a time.

Right, and they say it will be done by the fall.


The Lower Manhattan Development Corp. said yesterday the condemned former Deutsche Bank building will be gone by this fall
So the countdown has begun.

NYguy Mar 19, 2009 5:59 AM

The agreement to rebuild the Greek Orthodox church at the site falls through...

Church Destroyed at Ground Zero Is Still at Square One

March 18, 2009

The tiny St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church is once again at the forefront of the myriad disputes that plague the rebuilding effort at ground zero.

The fate of the church, a narrow whitewashed building that was crushed in the attack on the World Trade Center, was supposed to have been settled eight months ago, with a tentative agreement in which the church would swap its land for a grander church building on a larger parcel nearby, with a $20 million subsidy from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. This would have allowed work to begin at the south end of the site.

But the two sides never came to final terms. After months of negotiations, the Port Authority, which is overseeing reconstruction at ground zero, ended its talks with the church on Monday, saying that the church had sought increasingly costly concessions.

Complaints, of course, abound on both sides.

The authority now says that St. Nicholas is free to rebuild the church on its own parcel at 155 Cedar Street, just east of West Street. The authority will, in turn, use eminent domain to get control of the land beneath that parcel so it can move ahead with building foundation walls and a bomb-screening center for trucks, buses and cars entering the area.

“We made an extraordinarily generous offer to resolve this issue and spent eight months trying to finalize that offer, and the church wanted even more on top of that,” said Stephen Sigmund, a spokesman for the Port Authority. “They have now given us no choice but to move on to ensure the site is not delayed. The church continues to have the right to rebuild at their original site, and we will pay fair market value for the underground space beneath that building.”

Last July, the Port Authority and the Greek Orthodox Church announced a tentative plan to rebuild the church just east of its original site, at Liberty and Greenwich Streets. The authority agreed to provide the church with land for a 24,000-square-foot house of worship, far larger than the original, and $20 million. Since the church would be built in a park over the bomb-screening center, the authority also agreed to pay up to $40 million for a blast-proof platform and foundation.

In recent negotiations, the authority cut the size of the church slightly and told church officials that its dome could not rise higher than the trade center memorial. The church, in turn, wanted the right to review plans for both the garage with the bomb-screening center and the park, something the authority was unwilling to provide. More important, authority officials said, the church wanted the $20 million up front, rather than in stages. Officials said they feared that the church, which has raised about $2 million for its new building, would come back to the authority for more.

The termination of negotiations is a major setback for the little church, a parish of 70 families that is nearly 90 years old. St. Nicholas officials had hoped to build an impressive structure, with a traditional Greek Orthodox dome, and a nondenominational center for visitors to ground zero. That will not be possible on the church’s original 1,200-square-foot lot, although church officials say they hope for reconciliation.

“We consider the rebuilding of the St. Nicholas Church a sacred obligation to the victims of 9/11, to the city of New York, to the people of America and in fact to the international community,” said Stavros H. Papagermanos, a spokesman for the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America. “We will continue to discuss in good faith and we believe that all parties involved are well-intended, and ultimately we will overcome any obstacles that have arisen.”

One person who was involved in the negotiations on behalf of the church, and who insisted on anonymity so as not to inflame the situation, criticized the Port Authority, saying it had made constantly shifting demands on St. Nicholas. Still, he said, the remaining issues were relatively small.

But it does not appear that the Port Authority is posturing. And while the Bloomberg administration expressed regrets about the impasse, officials said it was far more important to proceed apace with building a memorial, a transit center and other projects at ground zero.

St. Nicholas, a four-story church, became a symbol of resilience after it was destroyed, with George E. Pataki, then the governor, and Archbishop Demetrios, primate of the Greek Orthodox Church in America, vowing that it would rise again.

NYguy Mar 20, 2009 12:06 AM


MercurySky Mar 21, 2009 6:54 PM

Is there a timetable for a plan of a redesign of Tower 5?

NYguy Mar 21, 2009 11:47 PM


Originally Posted by MercurySky (Post 4152548)
Is there a timetable for a plan of a redesign of Tower 5?

Not currently.

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