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ethereal_reality Mar 21, 2023 8:50 PM

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Thanks, odinthor. :)

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ethereal_reality Mar 22, 2023 7:57 PM

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Here's a mystery snapshot from Los Angeles of a cook, waitress and hostess(?) posing in front of a couple of 1940s cars.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/T2wyKE.jpg
eBay (I can't find it again so it must have sold)


I didn't think we would be able to figure this one out until I noticed something odd in the background on the right.




Is this some sort of elaborate sign?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/59DFRY.jpg
detail


Sally forth, norishers! :whip:


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odinthor Mar 22, 2023 9:27 PM

I asked the question, When were the sketches done for the birdseye map of L.A. which was copyrighted in 1909?--anticipating that it would have been a year or two before.

By chance, I ran across a starting point, the C.C. Chapman Building at the northeast corner of Wall and 5th, breaking ground on or about Valentine's Day 1909:

https://i.postimg.cc/hvN235hX/CCChap...-1909-2-14.jpg
LA Times, 2/14/1909

Well, golly, it's on the birdseye map:

https://i.postimg.cc/dVPW2pzX/CCChapman-1909.jpg

So, should it ever make a difference: The 1909 birdseye map was very up to date!

:tup:

ethereal_reality Mar 23, 2023 3:51 AM

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:previous: That's good to know, odinthor.



Here's another mystery location. ...This time a film negative.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/m48aCV.jpg
eBay




I'll start with this film positive - courtesy of the eBay seller.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Za4RdR.jpg




Here's a closer look at the neg.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/oJDAJw.jpg

Thankfully there are street numbers visible so it should be easier to find (and be certain of) the location.



The word "Mandalay" has appeared three times on NLA always in reference to a club at 9236 Sunset Blvd....You can check it out Here

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Mackerm Mar 23, 2023 5:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9899117)
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Here's a mystery snapshot from Los Angeles of a cook, waitress and hostess(?) posing in front of a couple of 1940s cars.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/T2wyKE.jpg
eBay (I can't find it again so it must have sold)

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eBay listing for above photo (maybe this helps.)

1870lainvt Mar 23, 2023 7:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mackerm (Post 9899594)
eBay listing for above photo (maybe this helps.)

Is the sign atop the old Belmont Theatre at 1st and Vermont?

HossC Mar 23, 2023 9:29 PM

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The Belmont Theater sign is much closer than anything I found, but I don't think it's quite right. Here's a couple of previous posts:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5694770)

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6477274)

I don't remember seeing this 1928 picture of Nielsen's Super Service on NLA before. It stood at 3436 W First Street, on the corner of S Westmoreland.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...NielsenSS1.jpg
USC Digital Library

In the background, there's a familiar roof sign. Given the location, at first I was thinking of the Bimini Baths ...

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...NielsenSS3.jpg
Detail of picture above.

... until I remembered the Belmont Theatre on S Vermont.

Here's e_r's sign for comparison:

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9899117)

Is this some sort of elaborate sign?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/59DFRY.jpg
detail


1870lainvt Mar 23, 2023 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 9900281)
:previous:

The Belmont Theater sign is much closer than anything I found, but I don't think it's quite right. Here's a couple of previous posts:





Here's e_r's sign for comparison:

That was my thought too, but
I wonder if the north side view is different from the south side view?
I recall as a kid that the sign was a "V"
Note how the street lights are similar

Mackerm Mar 23, 2023 11:52 PM

Pretty sure it's Bard's Glendale, discussed here previously.

Flyingwedge Mar 24, 2023 6:19 AM

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Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9897491)
The Birdseye map was copyrighted in 1909 . . . but can we determine when it was actually sketched?

:shrug:

For anyone who needs a link to this very useful map:

https://www.loc.gov/item/2005632465/



The map should have been correct as of the fall of 1909. However, the mapmakers included the Union League building at 2nd and Hill,
the construction of which did not begin until about the very end of 1909 (it opened in March 1911).


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...ioned_1024.jpg

October 3, 1909, Los Angeles Times @ Newspapers.com



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...t_to_start.jpg

December 19, 1909, Los Angeles Times @ Newspapers.com


Nonetheless, thank you Mr. Lawrence and Mr. Gates!

Martin Pal Mar 24, 2023 4:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9899117)
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I didn't think we would be able to figure this one out until I noticed something odd in the background on the right.

Is this some sort of elaborate sign?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/59DFRY.jpg
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Originally Posted by Mackerm (Post 9900402)
Pretty sure it's Bard's Glendale, discussed here previously.
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Looks right to me, Mackerm!

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xhPijsVan...en-Bayless.jpg

Snix Mar 24, 2023 5:17 PM

There are some great shots of L.A. landmarks in the opening credits for the 1956 Dean Martin / Jerry Lewis film "Hollywood Or Bust". These are from a fuzzy print on YouTube, but...enjoy. Where is the Old West set?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTNFziyvOzM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ebc7bf64_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...5ac3a9d4_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0172d7a0_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a7c16ef8_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...257bce3c_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...76845aa0_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...9db27a89_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...40b55ab5_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...78ddbd06_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...c5a403d0_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...c509f905_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6108b011_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f62c3b41_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...483b4c2c_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...1b013a2f_b.jpg

Snix Mar 24, 2023 6:21 PM

Brooks (1942, Harold S. Johnson)
6307 - 6311 Hollywood Blvd.
Clothing store under construction next door to Melody Lane at Hollywood and Vine. The store was moving from its previous location at 6666 Hollywood Blvd.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b7df30ea_b.jpg
eBay
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...940d4f6b_z.jpg
Los Angeles Evening Citizen News
03 Jun 1942

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a0842768dc.jpg
Huntington Library
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e604a7f1_z.jpg
LAPL
This location was later "Backlot Books" Hollywood Wig and a smoke shop and must have burned in the Basque nightclub fire that destroyed the corner building. Here it is shortly before demolition in 2007.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...90866aa513.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f310605b_b.jpg
GSV
This rendering is dated 1935 so perhaps it was the earlier location at 6666 Hollywood?
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3cb32910_b.jpg
UCLA

HossC Mar 24, 2023 7:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Snix (Post 9901096)

There are some great shots of L.A. landmarks in the opening credits for the 1956 Dean Martin / Jerry Lewis film "Hollywood Or Bust". These are from a fuzzy print on YouTube, but...enjoy. Where is the Old West set?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTNFziyvOzM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...c509f905_b.jpg

It looks like the Paramount Western set which came complete with a fake mountain in the background. This grab is from the 1957 Henry Fonda and Anthony Perkins movie 'The Tin Star'. There are more pictures of the set at the link below.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...acklot1957.jpg
www.invisiblethemepark.com

sadykadie2 Mar 25, 2023 5:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9899117)
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Here's a mystery snapshot from Los Angeles of a cook, waitress and hostess(?) posing in front of a couple of 1940s cars.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/T2wyKE.jpg
eBay (I can't find it again so it must have sold)


I didn't think we would be able to figure this one out until I noticed something odd in the background on the right.




Is this some sort of elaborate sign?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/59DFRY.jpg
detail


Sally forth, norishers! :whip:


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I'm guessing the women are sisters. They could be twins

Mackerm Mar 25, 2023 7:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9356791)

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Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9359892)
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds


I think our friend fullpower has this one identified correctly as the s.e. corner of Riverside and Fletcher....the curvature of Riverside to the left, the placement of the telephone poles, hillside behind the station are the clues....Arco has been involved with the site since at least 1930....


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds



In the original photo, the streets look like they're meeting at a sharp angle, but Riverside and Fletcher is pretty much a "+". I couldn't find any other photos or aerials showing the same buildings

Anybody want to have another crack at it?

(Well, I'd forgotten this. The Library of Congress has an online collection of white and yellow page phone directories. )

odinthor Mar 26, 2023 9:52 PM

While looking for more information on the 1909 Birdseye Map, I ran across a portion of a 1913 such, purporting to show newer buildings in town. I don't believe it has been featured on NLA before. This was published in the Los Angeles Herald December 6, 1913.

https://i.postimg.cc/zDtJ4Jqs/Birdse...-1913-12-6.jpg

Along the bottom are images of some buildings:

https://i.postimg.cc/zvV1qgq9/Birdse...-1913-12-6.jpg

ethereal_reality Mar 27, 2023 12:31 AM

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Oh, that a great map, odinthor!...And you're right. I don't believe we have seen it before. Good job.


And thanks to everyone who helped figured out the mystery sign snapshot. :worship: ..You guys are the best!

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ethereal_reality Mar 27, 2023 1:33 AM

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Here's a rather haunting snapshop of a lady standing in a field of oats. (c.1915)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/J3bIeC.jpg
eBay

I imagine that is her fine looking home in the backgound.




For search purposes:...Jean Hungerford...Los Angeles

ethereal_reality Mar 27, 2023 1:41 AM

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Not in a hundred years would I guess this is Beverly Hills, California.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/7LKq1f.jpg
eBay

I'll take a stab at it and say this is Rodeo Drive.




wink.


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