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AMAZING photograph, sopas. Thanks for posting them. :)

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No prob! :)

I am sooo glad this thread is still going. :tup:

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The energizer bunny of threads keeps on going.

At a site about houses on the original Perry Mason series, there is a house from "The case of the Howling Dog" that looks similar to your first photo. Take a look:
https://www.perrymasontvseries.com/w...tras/TheHouses
It was apparently on the Fox lot.

It's hard to match up the images; the OP is an extreme telephoto shot, and the Googlemobile views are super wide-angle. The now present I-5 (Golden State) Freeway overcrossings also complicate the comparisons.

The OP is North of the tunnels. We've already passed the left exit for Riverside Drive (which is now that horrible exit for I-5 North). That left hand exit we see for Figueroa Street is still there. The traffic entering from the left looks like it's coming from Riverside Drive (now the horrible ramp from I-5 South).

The street light to the left of Myrna Loy is a Llewellyn "Washington." They were found on Washington Boulevard (natch), West 11th Street between Main and Hope (still there), and West 6th Street in what's now Koreatown. Maybe that will help to pinpoint a location.

My money is on West 6th Street.

Those freeway lanes are so luxuriously wide.
And traffic is so light.
It's like another world.

I believe you are correct, HossC and acorn. This is what it would look like now, per Google Street View:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...64ecd95f_h.jpg

At the bottom left corner is the ramp from Golden State Freeway/I-5 south to the 110 south, just as in the older picture. And you can see the Figueroa St. offramp and the 110 North thru-traffic lanes to its right.

For a modern perspective, looking south, here's a Google Earth image, looking south, towards the northern end of the tunnels:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ce9a8dde_h.jpg

And here's an image from 1941 of the same view, back when the Figueroa tunnels still had 2-way traffic, and the Arroyo Seco Parkway ended north of the tunnels (before the southbound lanes were extended into downtown and the tunnels became one-way northbound). You can see an offshoot ramp/road from the tunnels to Riverside Drive. And Mackerm, if you follow the northbound lanes past the tunnel, you can see the Figueroa offramp. You can even make out the back of the original exit sign that's in the photo you posted; I guess there was a period when some of the original signs on the Arroyo Seco Parkway co-existed with the newer, larger/easier-to-read signs.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b81fc6eb_b.jpg
Arturo Salazar Facebook

Here's the problem with it being shot just after the final tunnel, the topography is all wrong. The 110, then and now, goes downhill over the river after the offramp to the 5, that photo shows it going uphill and no river.

Stumbled upon this fascinating document from 1893 while searching for something else. In the British Library under:

"The Land of Sunshine. Southern California; an authentic record of its natural features, resources and prospects ... Compiled for the Southern California World's Fair Association"

http://www.boebertandblossom.com/LANoir/Cover.jpg

Here are two illustrations of interest:

http://www.boebertandblossom.com/LANoir/Pasadena.jpg

http://www.boebertandblossom.com/LANoir/Street.jpg

A real mass of detail about the area from Santa Barbara to San Diego in 1893. You can read the whole thing here:

https://access.bl.uk/item/viewer/ark...%2C4932%2C3015

Cheers,

Earl

Nice job, Sopas.

I had to think about what you were saying for a few minutes, and then realized that it isn't the topography that's all wrong, just the compressed view from the telephoto lens from that old photo that kind of distorts the view.

Also, I'm thinking that maybe you're thinking of the 110 Freeway as being one bridge in this area, when it's actually two parallel bridges, and are at different inclines. It's very apparent here: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0798...4!8i8192?hl=en

This is the view as if you were standing on the northbound lanes of the 110 past the tunnels, looking at the southbound 110 lanes, which do slant uphill to go over the hill; the northbound lanes don't slant that way because they shoot out from the tunnel which bore through the hills rather than going over it.

This is the view looking back towards the tunnels: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0798...4!8i8192?hl=en

You can see really see the difference in the inclines here, and then here's the view going north, towards that Figueroa exit: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0798...4!8i8192?hl=en

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This snapshot recently popped up on eBay.

..."Antique Hollywood California H B Gordon Sunset Market Arden Milk Photo 1940's"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/y2GCwj.jpg
eBay

I'm gonna to go out on a limb and say the Sunset-Kingsley Market was located at Sunset and Kingsley. (hold your applause)....
but what caught my eye was the other business. Has anyone heard of the H.B. Gordon MFG. Co.? ...I'm intrigued that it says "laboratory" beneath the company's name)




Let's take a closer look because something else caught my eye.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/meDfSL.jpg


There's no question that the Gordon Co. building was repurposed. . . but what I originally thought was merely a decorative facade might be an addition instead. Unless I'm seeing things, it appears to juts out from the original diagonal corner about twenty feet.

. .um. .even though the left end (next to where the car is parked) appears flush with the building. (optical illusion?)

Plus, that right door is awfully high.
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Maybe this alternate version of the photo has some clues to its location. Nah, me neither.

The photo is on the IMDB page for Bitter Apples (1927)

https://i.postimg.cc/XJK8MmZd/Myrna-...e-standing.jpg
IMDB

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Nice addition, Mackerm. I'd always wondered if there might be some additional information if we could see more of the signage on the corner building without the telephone pole in the way. Answer: No. :)

(But if we can watch Bitter Apples...maybe?)

ETA -- The wikipedia page says:

Preservation status
The film is currently lost. In February 1956, Jack Warner sold the rights to all of his pre-December 1949 films to Associated Artists Productions. In 1969, UA donated 16mm prints of some Warner Bros. films from outside the United States. No copies of Bitter Apples are known to exist.

Which prompts a question: How do films not known to exist get IMDB ratings from 27 people?

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Probably this is the flooding reported February 1, 1926, from which reportage here is a pertinent clip:

https://i.postimg.cc/50yChXFw/Flood-LAT-1926-2-1.jpg
LA Times, February 1, 1926.

Here's the best I could do with Google Street View. This is the view from the bridge at Park Row Dr. Thanks again to HossC.
https://i.postimg.cc/G2ykTvnR/Freeway-View.jpg
Google Street View

You've got it, Mackerm. I might nudge that red rectangle up just a tad, but that's it.

My mistake was concentrating too much on the subject and not the position of the photographer. Standing at Park Row, the photographer would be over the 2nd tunnel. The full Google Street View shows the portals to the 3rd and 4th tunnels. You've cropped the 3rd tunnel out; the 4th is still visible. That horrible left exit to Riverside Drive (now to I-5) occurs immediately at the North portal of the 4th tunnel.

So, my original supposition that we've already passed the Riverside Drive (now I-5 North) exit on the left was incorrect. That ramp, once it passes under the Southbound Pasadena Freeway lanes would be almost adjacent to the cars entering the Freeway we do see on the left in both the OP and the GSV. But, the Southbound onramp is elevated as compared to the Northbound offramp, so we don't see it because of the camera position from the Park Row overcrossing.

I'd illustrate some of what I just said, but my hosting of images always ends in disaster.

Once again, congratulations HossC & Mackerm.

The moving of houses and the companies that performed the task come up here often but I don't recall seeing a related matchbook before. Here's an eBay listing for a company that seemed to have a good run doing so under two different names. There is no date on the matchbook but it looks to be a fair bit later than the 1913 date on the cover.

https://i.imgur.com/8S5xoF8.png

https://i.imgur.com/2nUB0CF.png

https://i.imgur.com/bZysLgr.pnghttps://www.ebay.com/itm/18553546761...c05a%7Ciid%3A1

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Bristolian--in re the M&M House Moving Company:

https://i.postimg.cc/xd3XfCpF/M-M2-LAT-1948-10-19.jpg
LA Times, 10/19/1948

https://i.postimg.cc/MTsXBLS7/M-M1-LAT-1948-10-19.jpg
LA Times, 10/19/1948

1141 N. Ditman Avenue now:

https://i.postimg.cc/qqzqxGJ9/M-M-1141-NDitman-Ave.jpg
gsv

They have a nice view:

https://i.postimg.cc/1zszjSR0/M-M-11...tman-Ave-2.jpg
gsv

There's a definite can of worms here.

First of all, the building at Sunset and Kingsley is still there; the diagonal corner hidden behind a false front is visible on Google Earth, and all three palms and the fire hydrant.

A quick search for H B Gordon leads to http://gordonlabsinc.com/ with the statement,

Founded in 1937 by Cosmetic Chemist, M. Martin Gordon and Family, Gordon Labs is located in the Los Angeles area

But this interesting article about Max Martin Gordon's company in Chicago, called Princess Pat says:

Interestingly, there is still a cosmetics research and manufacturing company in Carson, California known as Gordon Labs, Inc., which claims to trace its roots back to a west coast wing of the business M. Martin Gordon organized in 1937. This has proven difficult to substantiate.

And a comment at the bottom says:

The “Gordon Labs” in California has absolutely nothing to do with the Gordons from Chicago. California state records clearly show that the California company now called Gordon Laboratories was originally named “H.B. Gordon Manufacturing Co., Inc” and registered in 1967 long after Patricia and Martin passed away. The California company was only renamed Gordon Laboratories in 2004 and seems to be exploiting the name and legacy of the Gordons from Chicago. There is no proof the Gordons or Princess Pat, Inc. had any connection to the California business nor is there evidence of a “west coast wing” of the Chicago-based company. Curiously, there was an earlier Gordon Laboratories established in California (1965 – 1971) for the manufacture of cosmetics and toilet preparations but it dissolved.

Since our photo is much older than 1967, there must be more to the story. (At least I think it's older than 1967. The two cars might have been old.)

This index of perfume manufacturers says:

Gordon Manufacturing Co, H.B. USA Sunset Blvd, Hollywood; launched Dorothy Gordon and Francine

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A quick check through the CDs shows the H B Gordon Mfg Co at 5201 or 5203 Sunset Boulevard between 1933 and 1965. The Sunset Kingsley Market was at 5205 Sunset Boulevard from 1956 to 1969 (there are no general Los Angeles CDs available at LAPL between 1942 and 1956, so it may have appeared earlier).

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In the early 1970's no lab work, just eating, drinking and folk dancing at 5201 Sunset Boulevard.


https://i.imgur.com/5gaWrHt.jpg
socalfolkdance.org


https://i.imgur.com/dL759l2.jpg
Detail from a 1974 Ed Ruscha picture at getty.edu

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Gypsy 5 nights, Greek 2 nights. That sounds like a restaurant I wish I had visited. I was at UCLA in 1974. I know about Greek food, but wonder what "Gypsy" (Romany) food was like?

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Thanks for the follow-ups on the Sunset-Kingsley photograph, Mackerm, Hoss, and Noir Noir.... :)
What's the difference between Gypsy and Greek dancing? Less bangles?


The most FUN I had at a restaurant when I lived in Los Angeles was at Moun of Tunis on Sunset Blvd.

I've never been so sweaty in my life. (lots of Ouzo and dancing)



And it's still in business.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Z3tF7k.jpg
GSV / 7445 1/2 Sunset Blvd.


It's sort of hidden from view.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/dJWixc.jpg
GSV

It's where the railroad tracks used to cross Sunset.
I recently found some vintage photographs of the two gray buildings facing Sunset. I'll see if I can find them.





And they still have belly dancers.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/AQAmoc.jpg

Back then (the 1980s) you got to dance them.


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Harley Bryan Gordon
Born in Texas 12 Jul 1896
Died 31 Jan 1966

1940 city directory
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...7534b3a08f.jpg
1027 Montrose Ave. South Pasadena
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a366a811_z.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...44ef589e_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b6623675_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...fe30e9b2_z.jpg
Los Angeles Mirror 11.27.51
Mr. Gordon is currently at Rose Hills in Whittier, CA
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...4077724c_b.jpg
Findagrave

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Excellent research, SNIX. :worship:



I found the old images of the Moun of Tunis area but they weren't photographs. They're screengrabs from a video I watched last week.


Here are the two gray buildings again. (as they look today)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/dJWixc.jpg



And from an angle.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/PAPjet.jpg







And in 1952.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/GxpEwt.jpg


I believe the CLEANERS is the gray building on the right in the top views.






And the Montgomery & Son building is the building on the left in the top views.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/0bLhEA.jpg

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Oh, and here's the remastered video I was watching. I'm pretty sure we've seen it before on NLA.

I tried to embed it but it wouldn't work for some reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM5A4TamTzo

Right off the bat a jeep almost gets hit by a car.


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Bora Ozkok used to run escourted tours of Turkey as late as the 2000's.
I wonder if he still does.

Some details from Ed Ruscha glimpses of 7445½ Sunset Blvd. over the years.


From the early 1960's to 1977 it was the Sabra Cafe - seen here in 1965.


https://i.imgur.com/IrHTvar.jpg
getty.edu


Here's the Moun of Tunis and it's sign in 1985.


https://i.imgur.com/MWJz5WD.jpg
getty.edu


In 1990 it's staying open while undergoing remodelling work.


https://i.imgur.com/DtlJ3PJ.jpg
getty.edu

Jeep Making Left Turn
 

The Jeep making a left and almost being hit is the result of the left turn as no laws requiring the turner to wait till traffic clears then. As you notice other cars made lefts in front of on coming traffic. The horn blast I believe is signaling between the photo car and another leading the way. Usually you hear one blast then a response of two blast from another car. When they got to the strip I looked for Mickey Cohen's Haberdashery but did not see it or him.

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If you start at 5:50, on the left you'll first past the Oriental Theater where Singin' in the Rain is playing,
then, as the car drives over the P.E. tracks crossing Sunset, you'll see the "Cleaners" that E_R referenced.
I like that there's a lovely tree there on the corner. I wish a Red Car had been crossing when this was filmed.

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NASS has posted a new one: 37 seconds of Los Angeles in the 1890's!
His info: South Spring Street, Los Angeles, Cal. 1898
B&W Video Source from: Thomas A. Edison
B&W Video Source from: Library of Congress, Motion Picture, Broadcasting, and Recorded Sound Division.
B&W Video Source from: https://www.loc.gov/item/00694306/

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LOL @ the billboard on the roof! "Dating for Doumees" :haha: !

I love the Gardner Junction area on Sunset, reminding one of the P.E. Red Car route of days past. There's a lot of plans for new building going on in that area.
One whole block in one section, all the stores are vacant now.

Correction, the construction on that block has commenced!

GSV view, click: HERE
It's diagonally across from the above photo.

The restaurant at the SW corner of Gardner and Sunset, named Gardner Junction, was built as an homage to the Red Car Line and inspired the decor. There's a lovely large 4-sided clock on the corner and also open air dining spaces. Unfortunately this restaurant never caught on and closed down. A new restaurant has taken over the space and from what I have seen, has not changed the decor that much, in fact they describe themselves as: Regional American cuisine & cocktails served amid vintage decor inspired by a former train station. But the name has changed to Electric Owl.

The Google Mobile will take you down what used to be the Red Car route from Gardner to Sierra Bonita Avenue. In fact, if you start at Sierra Bonita, you can go to Gardner, cross Sunset and then follow the route as far as it goes, past Moun of Tunis etc. In fact, Start HERE! You'll proceed down what looks like an alley of sorts, it's the old P.E. route.

with a "sort of" classic Rover P6 in the forecourt........

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https://i.postimg.cc/J4FHjjc8/gypsycampad-bmp.jpg
LAT Dec 16, 1933


I didn't really dig into it to see if the Sunset Blvd establishment was its descendant, but there was an earlier Gypsy Camp restaurant in the 1903 house once at 2525 Wilshire Boulevard, its site seen below replaced by a filling station. (The story of the house is here.)


https://i.postimg.cc/L8RwBQkK/2525-W...atandvines.jpg

Brilliant restoration.

Much like the colorized old B&W movie craze of the 80's and 90's, I find these more "natural" to watch with the color turned off (i.e. back to B&W).

The world was B&W back then.

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I find that in color you tend to pick out more places and things you don't notice if it's all in b&w.

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I won't watch colorized black and white movies (I think it's wrong in so many ways) but the colorization works well in this instance.




I liked that tree too, Martin Pal. (even though someone butchered the top of it :()
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https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/eyUaxd.jpg


Does anyone know what kind of tree it is? (odinthor?)

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Once more.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/OSwPVM.jpg

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/WKU2YI.jpg
1967 model

And you would be correct, Pescara. :)

Good eye!
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This is interesting.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/RmWUmg.jpg
Stufffor search purposes: Rover P6 3500....Gattaca



And, sadly, it is the car Princess Grace was driving when she had her fatal car accident.
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I have the B&W and colorized versions of two of my favorite Christmas movies - 'It's a Wonderful Life' and 'Miracle on 34th Street'. They did a pretty good job colorizing them, but I still tend to watch the B&W versions.

They nearly restored one of these in season 15 of the Motor Trend show 'Wheeler Dealers', but the 1971 example they found in Sonoma was too far gone and they bought a 1972 Lancia Fulvia instead.

I was looking at the PE track route in connection with a recent posting. This perhaps unprepossessing house at 7148 Marshfield Way caught my attention.

https://i.postimg.cc/GhHKMnV8/Marshfield7148.jpg
gsv

It evidently started out as a two-story, as there’s a building permit dated 8/6/1917 to remove its second story.

It had some excitement one yuletide:

https://i.postimg.cc/Fz1yn0W5/Marshf...1924-12-24.jpg
LA Times, 12/24/1924

which the Times deemed worthy of a picture:

https://i.postimg.cc/MH47kXNc/Marshf...1924-12-24.jpg
LA Times, 12/24/1924

But one thing led to another:

https://i.postimg.cc/qBZX6Zqk/Marshfield-LAT-12-25.jpg
LA Times, 12/25/1924

Before we leave, I'll add that, the Times mentions, just a few years later, a lady who had attended every Tournament of Roses parade since its beginning as residing at the address. In latter years, she missed the Chinese Dragon which had been part of the parade in earlier years.

Hmmm, e_r . . . The trunk looks like that of the California Pepper (Schinus molle), as does the graceful way in which the smaller twigs weep; but I spy rather large leaves here and there, which don't fit that species. It could be that some ivy is growing in the California Pepper, and festooning down among the Pepper's own branches. :shrug:

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I'm kidding. I had no idea.


Thanks for the excellent description, odinthor. :)
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Whatever tree that is, the tree trimmer did a hack job on it.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds

A young family poses with their Caddy, 1951, no other info provided....I'm fairly certain that's a '51 Cal. orange-on-black plate.

Of course this can be elsewhere in the state, but I get the distinct vibe of a newly-minted 1950ish L.A. suburb....unfortunately we only have the street number to work with.

So a tough i.d., but this forum has been remarkable on these....I recently posted a dubious L.A. identified photo, GaylordWilshire ran down the corner....in St. Paul MN!!!....no idea how he did that.....

It's likely the family is in front of their home at 7425 (?) St., they probably pulled the car out of the driveway to show off the streetscape....the 1950 census has been released, it's in the process of being collated to where it is searchable....so, down the road (if we get the street name) we can likely identify these folks with a fair degree of confidence....

Anyone know what kind of car is on the left?

Why do you suppose the family doesn't look so pleased with this endeavor? Or maybe the photographer is taking too long and they have this hurry it up, look.

Also, they come out for a photograph...no one else on the street...but a shirtless (?) man comes out from next door and becomes part of the famiiy photo. Heh!

It's interesting that when colorization first appeared in the 80's, the reception from almost all quarters was positive. Then some well-known directors, like Scorcese and Allen for two examples, began to complain about it, but over time it is still being done.

When I was growing up we didn't have a color TV for most of that time, so I grew up watching color TV series and movies in b&w and in the 70's and beyond discovered a lot of those things again anew in color, so, to me, colorizing something doesn't seem like that big a deal. It's just another way to see a film or TV series that one likes in a different way. (Conversely, I have watched some films I've liked in b&w, turning off the color, just to see what they've looked like that way. I've also watched some film favorites that I am really familiar with in different languages for the same reasons.)

Also, colorizing has immensely improved since the 80's. The first aired colorized version of Miracle on 34th Street on TV wasn't very good. Like HossC, I have a set of the b&w and colorized Miracle on 34th Street and the redone version is really good and every year I gravitate more toward that one.

Colorization has also been used to good effect in documentaries, like Peter Jackson's WWI film, They Shall Not Grow Old. Which brings up why many people are against colorization because it wasn't originally made that way, but have absolutely no problem with film makers retooling the silent film speeds to look more natural, or redoing the sound on dozens or hundreds of old movies because they can make it sound better. Or using computers to align the 3-strip technicolor movies to be seen in a way no audiences did when they were originally released.

And who can argue that colorizing historical photos doesn't give them new life, new perspectives and an intimacy that b&w does not?

99 Stunning Colorized Photos That Breathe New Life Into The Past
https://allthatsinteresting.com/colorized-photos

Yes, I would never watch a b&w film I hadn't seen before colorized the first time I saw it.

In re: riichkay's post above:

7425 addresses go with an area of Buena Park to the west of Knott's Berry Farm. One notices in the pic that there are no sidewalks. I recall from personal observation in ye olden tymes that some developments in this area indeed did not have sidewalks (which intrigued me at the time), though I believe that by now they all have sidewalks. The general æsthetic works for the location of the photo being one of these Buena Park 7425s . . .

My guess would be a 1950/51 Plymouth Suburban. Here's the one in Jay Leno's garage:

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