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ethereal_reality Feb 1, 2019 12:25 AM

Here's another view.



Why the large X? .......... I thought it had something to do with the rail line but there aren't any rails.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/WRPGB5.jpg
skyscraperpage

also too.....who lived in that impressive white house at upper right?

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BillinGlendaleCA Feb 1, 2019 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8457205)
:previous: Oh, so what I 'saw' as a squarish turret on the roof was actually the cottages behind it....peeking above the roofline. :peekaboo:



Why the X?



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It's where the treasure's buried matey, ARGH.

(Wait, it's NOT 'talk like a pirate day?)

ethereal_reality Feb 1, 2019 12:44 AM

This black and white photo was taken on the day of the Health Services Bldg. fire in 1992.

Does LAFD still use OPEN CAB fire trucks?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/z1WdEo.jpg
lafd

I've been trying to read the name on the truck....it's SEA...'something'. .....Seagrass? No, that's too weird.
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p.s. Is that a built-in horn/siren directly above the TRUCK ONE license plate?

ethereal_reality Feb 1, 2019 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 8457215)

It's where the treasure's buried matey, ARGH.

:lmao:

ethereal_reality Feb 1, 2019 12:50 AM

one more....

Health Services Fire, 1992.

This view is similar to the color photo I posted yesterday....except, this time, we're looking south, away from the Health Services Bldg. [SIZE="1"](I checked my compass.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/7qLYjg.jpg
LAFD

TRUCK ONE, 'Seagrass' is down there somewhere.


The buildings look 'Soviet Bloc' with the rain stains.

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ethereal_reality Feb 1, 2019 1:32 AM

This matted photograph of the TITLE INSURANCE BUILDING showed up on ebay yesterday for $125.00.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/8kboTG.jpg
IT APPEARS TO BE GONE ALREADY




REVERSE
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/tqvNKw.jpg
for search purposes: John Parkison and Donald B. Parkison, Architects.





Here's a closer look at what's going on at street level.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/0VoSyu.jpg
DETAIL

note the hotel marquee at left. *googles to find the name of the hotel*

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ethereal_reality Feb 1, 2019 1:43 AM

:previous:

This bit of California Title Insurance Co. emphemera is still on ebay.

Asking $179.99

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/03fdPh.jpg
EBAY


There is no way this is worth $179.99.

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ethereal_reality Feb 1, 2019 1:54 AM

But take a look at this one!

Southern California Insurance Company, 1885

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/6PoVkD.jpg
ebay


It even includes this envelope!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/M9tVgy.jpg


I'll buy this one! *checks price*


$399.95. :(


nevermind.

Bristolian Feb 1, 2019 2:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8457224)
This black and white photo was taken on the day of the Health Services Bldg. fire in 1992.

Does LAFD still use OPEN CAB fire trucks?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/z1WdEo.jpg
lafd

I've been trying to read the name on the truck....it's SEA...'something'. .....Seagrass? No, that's too weird.
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p.s. Is that a built-in horn/siren directly above the TRUCK ONE license plate?

Seagrave Fire Apparatus

Founded in 1881 in Detroit

https://seagrave.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagrave_Fire_Apparatus

Mstimc Feb 1, 2019 2:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8457224)
This black and white photo was taken on the day of the Health Services Bldg. fire in 1992.

Does LAFD still use OPEN CAB fire trucks?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/z1WdEo.jpg
lafd

I've been trying to read the name on the truck....it's SEA...'something'. .....Seagrass? No, that's too weird.
_

p.s. Is that a built-in horn/siren directly above the TRUCK ONE license plate?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 8457304)
Seagrave Fire Apparatus

Founded in 1881 in Detroit

https://seagrave.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagrave_Fire_Apparatus

Before retiring this past December, I worked for Public Works for a city in the OC. We owned the city's fleet, including the fire trucks. They are amazing pieces of equipment and each is pretty much built custom. And they come with the price tag to show it.

HossC Feb 1, 2019 1:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8457205)

Why the large X? .......... I thought it had something to do with the rail line but there aren't any rails.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/WRPGB5.jpg
skyscraperpage

The "X" was close to the rails, and there was another across the street, as you can see from Godzilla's full pictures below.

Here's a detail from another image in the set. One of the "X"s is in front of the large palm in the center. Down the street is the Groch Engineering Co (oil and mining engineering) at 1212 W 2nd Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...gineering1.jpg
USC Digital Library

Having said that, I liked BillinGlendaleCA's version better :). It also reminded me of the end of "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World", which I rewatched a couple of weeks ago (I know that was a big "W").

JimCraig Feb 1, 2019 3:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8457542)
The "X" was close to the rails, and there was another across the street, as you can see from Godzilla's full pictures below.



Here's a detail from another image in the set. One of the "X"s is in front of the large palm in the center. Down the street is the Groch Engineering Co (oil and mining engineering) at 1212 W 2nd Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...gineering1.jpg
USC Digital Library

Having said that, I liked BillinGlendaleCA's version better :). It also reminded me of the end of "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World", which I rewatched a couple of weeks ago (I know that was a big "W").

Perhaps it's a "Do Not Enter" sign on a one way street.

Hollywood Graham Feb 1, 2019 5:26 PM

Hanging X and Fire Engine Siren
 
Perhaps the X is hung on a low hanging wire for the benefit of say a house mover knowing where one was. The siren on the fire engine is a mechanical Federal "Q" siren witch is the Cadilac of sirens also on the bumper is an electronic siren. Federal "Q" sirens are sill on some engines today. I have not seen an open cab fire engine in years.

odinthor Feb 1, 2019 7:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8457281)
But take a look at this one!

Southern California Insurance Company, 1885

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/6PoVkD.jpg
ebay


It even includes this envelope!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/M9tVgy.jpg


I'll buy this one! *checks price*


$399.95. :(


nevermind.

Very interesting, e_r, especially in being signed by James R. Toberman, quondam mayor of L.A.

Here are my notes on him:

Toberman, James R. ca. 1836, born in Virginia; 1864, arrived in L.A. from Texas as Revenue Assessor, position held until ca. 1870; 1868, partner in Hellman, Temple, & Company; 1870, present in L.A. as a city councilman with savings of $5,000 and real estate valued at $10,000; September, 1870, sold his share in the bank to I.W. Hellman; 1872, residing on Pico St.; 1872, elected Mayor, serving until 1874; 1878-1882, again Mayor; January 26, 1911, died; “The death of J.R. Toberman, a former Mayor of Los Angeles, a few months ago, removed from our midst a fellow-citizen of sterling manners and great affability. I first met him on the old steamer Orizaba, in February, 1867, on his way to Los Angeles as Collector of Internal Revenue, which position he held for a number of years. Some of the newspapers hereabouts referred to him as the agent of Wells-Fargo Company, which was a mistake; but after leaving the government service, in 1868, he took the agency of an opposition express company called the Union, which did not last long, however, and then he went out on the Hancock survey and bought a thirty-five-acre lot for $100 per acre, much of which is where Tenth and Eleventh, Georgia and Alvarado streets are now a part. He was elected Mayor in 1872 and re-elected twice, and made a good officer. He was the last resident in Los Angeles to wear a silk hat daily, which he gave up only four years ago [ca. 1907]” (Los Angeles Times, 4/9/1911); wife, Emma Dye, of whom:

Dye, Emma ca. 1848-1849, born in Missouri; father, George W. Dye; by 1870, wife of Mayor James R. Toberman; 1870, present in L.A.; shortly after 6:00 P.M., September 17, 1909, died in L.A.; “The greater part of her life was devoted to church work and charity” (Los Angeles Times, 9/18/1909).

And Emma's father George W. Dye was interesting (likely the "W." is "Washington"):

Dye, George W. December 6, 1810, born in Mason County, Kentucky; parents: Robert Dye and Sarah Wells; “Both his grandfathers, Granville H. Dye and Thomas Wells, were pioneers with Daniel Boone in Kentucky” (Illustrated History of Los Angeles County, p. 731); “The subject of this sketch is the third of five sons. He left home after he had obtained his majority and went to Missouri, locating at Weston, Platt County, where he was engaged for several years in the hotel and livery business. In 1844 he was married to Miss Hellen [sic] Winter […]. In 1863 Mr. Dye sold out his interests in Weston, Missouri, and moved to Virginia City, Montana, where, for some time he was in the saw-mill business, and later removed to Bannock City. On the 26th of December, 1866, he arrived in Los Angeles, and lived in the city for three years. In 1869 he purchased eighty acres of land which he improved, and where he has since lived” (op. cit., pp. 731-732); 1870, present in L.A. as a laborer; children: Emma, Harriet, Fannie, Mollie, Bradley.

Edit Add: Tell us about the kids, odinthor!

Why, certainly:

As we see, Emma married the aforementioned Mayor Toberman.

Harriet married Edwin H. Dalton, the nephew of Henry Dalton of Rancho Santa Anita etc. etc. (Henry being well known in old Angeleno history).

Fannie married one Ludovico Antonio Barthel.

Mollie . . . I dunno . . .

Bradley . . . died at age 19.

CityBoyDoug Feb 1, 2019 9:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8457281)
But take a look at this one!

Southern California Insurance Company, 1885



$399.95. :(


nevermind.

Laughably overpriced. If the signator was famous person.....maybe.

BillinGlendaleCA Feb 1, 2019 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8457542)
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...gineering1.jpg
USC Digital Library

Having said that, I liked BillinGlendaleCA's version better :). It also reminded me of the end of "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World", which I rewatched a couple of weeks ago (I know that was a big "W").


I always liked "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" since they flew into Rancho Conejo Airport. It was a real airport in Newbury Park that they used for filming.

BillinGlendaleCA Feb 1, 2019 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimCraig (Post 8457701)
Perhaps it's a "Do Not Enter" sign on a one way street.

I was thinking that too, but in one of the pics I see a car parked in the other direction, I think it's probably rail related(or pirates!).

ethereal_reality Feb 2, 2019 4:22 AM

odinthor, I didn't realized the signature on the 1885 letter [J.R. Toberman] belonged to a past mayor of L.A. Thanks for the information.


From what I gather...a son of J.R. and Emma Toberman died quite young.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/IrBLdz.jpg
cdnc






In memory of their son, Mr. & Mrs. Toberman established a hospital in his name.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/M9pLy4.jpg
Southern Methodist 1916

:previous: I'm disappointed a street address wasn't included. (but we do know the street > > Central Boulevard)




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/e1FDbv.jpg
Southern Methodist Handbook 1916

ethereal_reality Feb 2, 2019 5:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 8457304)

Seagrave Fire Apparatus

Not Seagrass? ;) then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham (Post 8457861)
The siren on the fire engine is a mechanical Federal "Q" siren witch is the Cadilac of sirens also on the bumper is an electronic siren.
Federal "Q" sirens are sill on some engines today. I have not seen an open cab fire engine in years.

Would I be correct, if I said the round thing on the front of this older firetruck is a siren as well? (to tell you the truth I never gave it much thought until your post)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/ML4WTm.png
detail

I accepted it as a design element...(kinda' like that protruding 'thing' on the front of Studebakers)





Here is the entire photograph.

Van Nuys Market Fire. Jan. 31, 1960

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/d9ggFc.jpg
LAFDHS




Thanks for answering my question Hollywood Graham...... and Bristolian

Flyingwedge Feb 2, 2019 7:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8457205)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/WRPGB5.jpg
skyscraperpage

who lived in that impressive white house at upper right?

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That impressive white house at upper right is 240 S. Bixel. The above photo looks south on Emerald Street from the north
side of 2nd Street. On the 1950 Sanborn Map below we see the same area in the photo. Bixel Street dead-ends into 240 on
its half-circle-shaped lot:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pswu4yxa2h.jpg

ProQuest via LAPL


USC dates the above photo as 1931, so the answer to your question, e_r, is author, editor, and publisher Samuel T. Clover,
shown here at his desk in Los Angeles in 1925. He's in the LA City Directories at 240 S. Bixel from 1926 to 1934:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psi7t5ct4q.jpg

ps_mss_cd13_183 at New York Public Library


His book A Pioneer Heritage has information on Rancho La Brea and the Hancock family.


Clover had the residence at 616 St. Paul Avenue moved to 240 Bixel in 1925. Unfortunately, this March 3, 1925, building
permit for moving the house is both sloppily written and faint. Clover's address is given as 221 O. T. Johnson Bldg.,
where at the time he edited Los Angeles Saturday Night:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psxapgzljv.jpg

LADBS


This permit to add a porch to 240 Bixel one month later is much clearer:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psfae65ie9.jpg

LADBS


On the 1910 Baist Map below, 6th Street is at the top, Orange (later Wilshire) is at the bottom, and Lucas Street is
at left. I've enclosed 616 St. Paul in a blue rectangle; the house directly to its north was architect John Parkinson's
at 600 St. Paul. Have we ever discussed the house and grounds on the SE corner of 6th and Lucas at upper left?:

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...psbt1xezmh.jpg

HistoricMapWorks


We can see just a bit of 616 St. Paul, south of Parkinson's 600 St. Paul, in a newspaper photo at GW's post on
Parkinson's house.


USC dates this photo looking west on 6th Street (at the right edge of the photo) as ca. 1925, and it might have
been taken that summer. The apartment building/hotel with the yellow dot, which appears to be under construction,
is at 616 St. Paul and replaced the home moved to 240 S. Bixel. The red arrow points to the large residence at the
SE corner of 6th and Lucas (1136 W. 6th?), surrounded by trees:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pszgp8dkfd.jpg

CHS-9069 at USCDL


Samuel Clover died in 1934. His son Greayer, a Los Angeles High School graduate, died in an airplane crash in
France in WWI on August 30, 1918. Santa Monica's airport was originally named for him:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pszkezfnay.jpg

March 29, 1934, Los Angeles Times at ProQuest via LAPL


Greayer Clover's name is on one of the memorial windows at the library across from Los Angeles HS.


The demolition permit for 238-240 Bixel is dated February 9, 1982. The north end of the Contreras High
School Stadium
is now on the site.


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