FRANKFURT - Project Update
 

A 250m high tower called "Marieninsel" is planned on the site of T11 which will have to be teared down. Investors are Deka-Bank, Degi GmbH and DB Real Estate. Date will be 2010.

http://home.t-online.de/home/5100902...arieninsel.jpg

Nice proposal!

Thanks for scanning the picture.

That skyscraper has quite a similarity with the Eureka Tower which is currently u/c in Melbourne, Australia.

But anyway it would be great if Frankfurt would get its third 250m skyscraper

thats what I thought too - a bit of a rip-off really. but as far as I understood this is just the preliminary design.

Nice!
250m is amazing!

goo deutscheland! great design and 250 m is some great height

My little contribution... :)

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?bu...rawingID=25122

Bravo Frankfurt!!!! :yes:

your diagramm is great as always jai-c!

beautiful tower !

nice tower. and yes, it is very similar to Eureka...


hey, can anyone tell - what is happen with this projects?
MAX
Tower 1
Frankfurter Sparkasse
Metzler Bank
Hochhaus an der alten Oper
Hochhaus Güterplatz
Tower 2
Degussa Hochhaus

Was approved by the city, but the investor don't want to build it anymore

Is likely to start construction in 2005 when the problems between Vivico and the city are solved

Haven't heard anything about it in a while

Same here

There is a good chance that construction will start this year

It was proposed was but I haven't heard anything about it since then.

Depends on if Tower 1 is build. If yes there is a really good chance that Tower 2 will be build as well as part of the UEC project.

It was proposed was but I haven't heard anything about it since then.

MAX:
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/627/4023max.jpg

Tower1:
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/da...ect1klein0.jpg

Frankfurter Sparkasse:
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/da...zerstrasse.jpg

Metzler Bank:
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/da...etzlerbank.jpg

Hochhaus an der Alten Oper:
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/da...peyertower.jpg

Tower2:
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/da...4023tower2.jpg

Nice new project.

Wich one was Max again ? Hopefully not the tower by Jahn, nor the other one by Nouvel... I love these two.

So Max cancelled by investor?

@ R@ptor : Thanks for editing your post and adding the renderings.
I'm really sorry for Max, but I hope Tower 1 is safe.

Excellent drawing !
How do you guys do this...amazing :tup:

raptor: I think you forgot ecb on your list

150 m up to 200m (the decision about the hight is not final)
http://www.frankfurtopia.de/images/skyscrp/ezb_new.jpg

the proposal must be taller than 250m. the preliminary design shows 68 floors!

btw. deutsche bank does not need max, but it doesn't mean they won't sell the project to a different investor as others did in the past. this peace of land is just too valuable to leave it like it is.

New rendering of Marieninsel

http://www.fr-aktuell.de/_img/_cnt/_..._lok_hotel.jpg

^^ rendering is gone :(

http://www.murphyjahn.com/projects/f...ext/max_01.jpg

Still no hope for this beautiful project ?

Sure there is hope. The tower is approved and the investor (Deutsche Bank) didn't canceled it, officialy the project is postponed until the real-estate market in FFM grows again.

I don't know about the specific case of Frankfurt, but the real estate market in Germany is one of a few not to be booming.
That's not a good sign.

You mean it is one of the few not to be overvalued! :D

Correct.
And you know that skyscrapers tend to be built when the real estate market is overvalued.

Another factor is the vacancy rate. What's it like currently in Frankfurt ?

the vacancy rate is very high for frankfurt - in fact it's probably the highest ever, but in comparison to other cities abroad (new york, london, shanghai, etc..) it's still not that bad. germany had always very low vacancy rates - when london had 10% or new york 15%, cities like frankfurt or munich only had 5% or even as low as 1%...
in germany the real estate industry speaks about a crisis when they mention a 10-15% vacancy rate - in other cities it's the usual vacancy rate.
still, despite the relatively high vacancy rate, the frankfurt real estate market is still the healthiest in germany. frankfurt has always been an exception to the rule - not only in the world of the real estate...

OK.
What the latest figure ?

between 10 and 15 % - depends on how you count (the higher numbers include rented office space that is not being used - only 2/3 of the vacancy rate is un-rented space)

Besides the ECB proposal anything else happening in Frankfurt ?

Not much, only the largest inner city redevelopment project (FrankfurtHochVier) in Europe including two towers plus a few smaller highrise projects like the WestendDuo or a new tower for the KFW Bank by Sauerbruch Hutton. And a new residential tower proposal (including a few smaller towers and the reconstruction of the Henninger Tower to a residential tower) has been presented yesterday. Plus tons of low rise projects, but that doesn't count really...

Here some pictures of the projects:

Henninger Turm ( 123m ) renovation plus 85m tower plus some small highrises:

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for.../1henniger.jpg

WestendDuo, 96m ( under construction ):

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...4/1Tower24.jpg

http://www.ksp-architekten.de/admin/...27/tower_c.jpg

Actual Picture of the site:

http://img67.exs.cx/img67/4683/39dt.jpg


Frankfurthochvier, consiting of 2 Towers ( 130 and 93m ), shopping mall, reconstruction of the old Thurn und Taxis Plais ( under construction ):



http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...ata/504/14.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...ata/504/12.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...1fhochvier.JPG



Recent Pictures:

http://img53.exs.cx/img53/7501/ffmh4jan0514og.jpg

http://img53.exs.cx/img53/9431/ffmh4jan0527he.jpg


Blue Heaven Hotel Tower 87m, nearly finished:

http://hometown.aol.de/DAForum/temp/9.jpg

Renovation of the now so called 'Lighttower' nearly completed ( aprx. 60m ):

http://www.lighttower-frankfurt.de/i...-soon_left.jpg

Latest Construction pic:

http://img1.uploadimages.net/3563755.jpg

'Maintriangel' ( under construction , 62m ):

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...504/1tria2.jpg

http://img134.exs.cx/img134/2958/maitr9za.jpg

'Westend-First' Renovation ( under construction ):

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...4/1we1st_1.gif

New Highrise (58m) of the Kreditanstalt f�r Wiederaufbau, design: Sauerbruch Hutton, starting in 2005:

http://img42.exs.cx/img42/9994/westen.jpg

http://www.fvgffm.de/temp/kfw/3.jpg

Sparkasse Informatik ( 70m ) under construction:

http://www.fvgffm.de/temp/kfw/59.jpg

Latest Picture:

http://people.freenet.de/urgewalten/...y/sparinf1.jpg

Renovation Swiss National building, one of Frankfurts first skyscrapers, going to be renovated like it was built in the 60ies, real ugly:)

Future:
http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...hweizerNat.jpg

Now:
http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...hweizer-21.jpg

and as Tim said a lot of smaller projects...

Besides: EZB is not proposed it is already approved and going to be built...
New Rumors also indicate that the Former called Z�rich Hochhaus (170m) starts also is year with a delay of 3 years. It will be occupied partly by a Hotel and Offices like the Mariott Tower in Frankfurt.

how awesome! I love the tishman speyer tower.

Frankfurt Hoch Vier isn't yet under construction - they just started to demolish some old buildings. Actually there's not a single 100m+ tower under construction right now... :(

i am sorry, jai-c IT IS under construction, the whole project as i mentioned it, is.
The Towers are planned anyway later, but the Project FFHV is under construction at the Zeil corner.

Sogar die Bewehrungen und Gründungen starten schon, habe es heute erst selbst an der Zeil gesehen...

Sure the project started but the towers did not. Preperations for an upcoming highrise do not mean that the highrise itself already is under construction.

exactly, but the towers are part of the project, like the mall etc.
I was taking about the whole project as u can read a few posts earlier...

Uh...the construction of the FrankfurtHochVier project officially started on July 1, 2004. Besides, the question was not, what is under construction now, but what is going on in Frankfurt apart from the ECB project....

The question is - will they build the mall and the towers or just the mall.

@Tim: what do you mean with "what is going on" - projects under construction or also proposals (because there are a lots of them)?

There is no project without the towers, it's just not feasable. That newspaper that is trying to block the project will be forced to accept an offer.

Going on at the moment (I am not speaking about future proposals, just what is happening this year).

Not so sure about that - there are other projects of that kind(consisting out of a mall and one or more highrises) where they will only build the mall while the tower remains unbuilt.

But this project will be unfeasable because of the high initial costs for land, demolition, and the costs of reconstruction of that historic palace. The most important part of the project are the towers. They subsidize the mall. Without them this huge project won't be attractive anymore. Apart from that it is only one tower we're speaking about. The hotel tower is not effected at all. Anyway, this doesn't matter because it seems the developer and the newspaper will come to agreement very shortly. A billion dollar project won't die because of a few millions more for a piece of land.

Is this the final design ?

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...1fhochvier.JPG

Frankfurthochvier is really beautiful.
I hope it gets built fast.

Yes it's great..
Thx for the list Frankfurter!

I belive there was a proposed building designed by Portzamparc. Any news on that one ?

Allez Frankfurt

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...4/1Tower24.jpg

It's very beautiful.
How long is the construction supposed to last ?

until november 2006.


another project for this year:

http://www.fvgffm.de/TRANSITION1.GIF

completion end of 2007



in february two midrise projects start simultaneously - one is the new european headquarters of kia motors and the other one is the european headquarters of hyundai motors. both projects will also be finished simultaneously - right in time for the world cup.


one more thing: the 170m tishman speyer project mentioned by frankfurter
http://hometown.aol.de/FWVONGOETZ/temp/zuerich45.jpg