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Ryanrule Oct 8, 2014 6:08 PM

my concern is they will try to maximize the economical potential is if was a great building, even though it will be an ok building, helping set the new normal that mediocre apartments can command top tier rent.

BVictor1 Oct 9, 2014 4:59 AM

Don't expect the same low ceiling heights in this building or in future buildings in LSE. Apparently they got a lot of flack for the low ceilings in Aqua.

More than likely they'll be about 9'-6".

Steely Dan Oct 9, 2014 6:41 PM

i cleared all of the distracting aqua nonsense from this thread.

let's get back to discussion of 201 N columbus

SamInTheLoop Oct 14, 2014 4:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 6761790)
Don't expect the same low ceiling heights in this building or in future buildings in LSE. Apparently they got a lot of flack for the low ceilings in Aqua.

More than likely they'll be about 9'-6".


Althought it wouldn't surprise me if Magellan has been hearing negative comments in the market regarding their standard ceiling heights, Ardecila certainly seems to be very much in the know regarding this proposal and its design, and according to his post (#13 in this thread), ceiling heights for this tower will be 8'6"..........disappointly............

Their LSE projects have been quite financially successful, and as I've been pointing out, "O" is a phenominally well located site, so Magellan may just not care........perhaps they'll just march on - building lower than market, making residents and guests feel more cramped than than they necessarily need to - all the way to the bank.....

I mostly don't care I suppose - I won't ever live there for certain if those are in fact the ceiling heights, and I won't be staying there, as I live in Chicago.....only drawback is their towers are of course shorter than if they built to current broad market standards.....

123fakestreet Oct 14, 2014 6:22 PM

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wierdaaron Oct 14, 2014 6:32 PM

^It might have decent views of the lake to the E/NE.

Without the prestige of a Gang design and stellar views, I'm guessing the main draw here will be location. I don't know how ceiling height factors into that algebra... but: remember the Howard Johnson Inn tower in river north? That's designed by bKL and developed by Magellan, and they recently went through a revision that dropped 3 stories in order to heighten the ceilings. Maybe Magellan got the message.

Ryanrule Oct 15, 2014 1:34 PM

low ceilings havent capped rental rates. they just rent them as if they had 15 foot ceilings and proper (non-ge) appliances.

the urban politician Oct 15, 2014 2:05 PM

The appeal here is about location. Let's be honest, this is a stellar location. I would live here in a heartbeat if I had the chance

LouisVanDerWright Oct 15, 2014 2:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wierdaaron (Post 6768074)
^It might have decent views of the lake to the E/NE.

Without the prestige of a Gang design and stellar views, I'm guessing the main draw here will be location. I don't know how ceiling height factors into that algebra... but: remember the Howard Johnson Inn tower in river north? That's designed by bKL and developed by Magellan, and they recently went through a revision that dropped 3 stories in order to heighten the ceilings. Maybe Magellan got the message.

The HoJo is probably getting a ceiling height increase because they will eventually (or before construction completes) go condo with it. Obviously they've built low ceilings in condos before, but I think that's the clear reasoning with that tower.

SamInTheLoop Oct 16, 2014 3:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 123fakestreet (Post 6768043)
I, personally, don't understand why people think site o is a good spot. It has BCBS just south of it and Aqua just to the north. There are no N/S views for 800+ feet in both directions. Then there's Aon to the SW and some other good sized buildings very close by blocking other views.

As far as ceiling height, I don't think it makes sense for tall ceilings for the hotel part of the building. Does anyone really look into that before booking a room? For the apartment side, I think higher ceilings would help but also also think the poor views are going to cap rental rates anyway. My guess is they'll go with 8-6 to 9-6 just like coast/aqua/340otp and their other buildings in LSE.

For the building design, I think a split tower look like 600 lake shore would be the best idea with the hotel entrance on Columbus and the apt entrance on lower Columbus and/or the circle below. Then they can share a pool/other amenities in the middle.


It sounds as if you're equating view with location. There is obviously much, much more to a location than the views it offers. TUP is right - this is a stellar location all-around.

SamInTheLoop Oct 16, 2014 3:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryanrule (Post 6769186)
low ceilings havent capped rental rates. they just rent them as if they had 15 foot ceilings and proper (non-ge) appliances.

Than maybe you're problem should be with the renters that scoop up these units at the rates Magellan and/or Related (because I know that's a sore point for you as well) are marketing. Instead of complaining about the developers for their unit quality for rent offered, if there is no shortage of renters for these, I suppose they should actually be the focus of your ire, no?

Ryanrule Oct 16, 2014 8:08 PM

yes, i would like to kill off all the morons, but since i cannot do that, i have to take a top down approach off not allowing them to make stupid choices that make things worse for me.

chris08876 Oct 16, 2014 9:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryanrule (Post 6771281)
yes, i would like to kill off all the morons, but since i cannot do that, i have to take a top down approach off not allowing them to make stupid choices that make things worse for me.

When the revolution comes and anarchy arrives, you will get your chance. But right now, we must accept that they are most the world, and just wait until the revolution hits or until the aliens arrive and do it for you. Although you might be in that crowd. :haha:

According to Hollywood History, Chicago has yet to have the Megatron battle which devastated most of the city. We should be lucky that they haven't arrived yet.

Skyguy_7 Oct 23, 2014 2:51 PM

These are BKL's renderings from the bid set. 642'-4" to top of parapet. 9'-2" ceilings throughout. Hotel is located on floors 4-21. Looks like they really admired Lowes' model. Enjoy.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-w...-no/CHI136.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-N...-no/CHI137.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V...-no/CHI138.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-T...-no/CHI139.jpg

the urban politician Oct 23, 2014 3:27 PM

^. I like the base. Not sure I like the 2 color scheme

LouisVanDerWright Oct 23, 2014 3:29 PM

Well that's about what I expected through and through. Only so much you can do on a site this shape. Hopefully there isn't a big blank wall against the BCBS plaza on the South Side. I like how narrow it is and the little cantilever effect halfway up the building.

the urban politician Oct 23, 2014 3:37 PM

^. It looks like it will be a good contribution to the area, minimizing view blockage and shadow effects on the LSE park. I'd like to see floor plans for the retail/lobby levels.

I wonder what the second cantilever (above the podium levels) will be for?

rlw777 Oct 23, 2014 3:47 PM

I agree with TUP the base looks great but I think the rest looks a little confused.

Skyguy_7 Oct 23, 2014 3:56 PM

^^^It's all glass on the BCBS side.

Difficult to read, so from West to East it goes: Retail, Hotel Lobby B, Elevator core, Hotel Lobby A, Residential Elevator core, Restaurant.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-e...-no/CHI140.jpg

rgolch Oct 23, 2014 3:59 PM

Not bad for a 600' filler.


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