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GaylordWilshire Mar 15, 2014 1:05 PM
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rlrdken... Yes, that could be her... sort of a Della Street working as a secretary in a fast-fading downtown. Perry Mason would have moved to Beverly Hills by this time; the cigar-chomping ambulance chaser she worked for would have stayed put in cheap offices. Is the guy to the left stalking her? And when did Desmond's close?

GaylordWilshire Mar 15, 2014 1:10 PM
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Los Angeles Relics/Wikipedia


We've seen the Los Feliz Derby here before, but I don't think we've seen its menu...



More on the corner of Los Feliz and Hillhurst...


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BifRayRock Mar 15, 2014 4:22 PM





The consequences of inexpensive wine? An excuse to celebrate the new Farmer's Market grand opening?


1934 - 7165 and 7161 Beverly Blvd - http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/43098/rec/1


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BifRayRock Mar 15, 2014 4:23 PM





About - 1925 - Beverly Boulevard in BH. (It will be our secret!:shhh:)



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BifRayRock Mar 15, 2014 4:55 PM






Wig Wag does Wilshire (at San Vicente)!

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../87896/rec/309



A nice neighborhood.

1940 - (A short walk to the Fox Theater. Bring your umbrella!)
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Could Tower Drive have been named after a towering windmill? :rolleyes:
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Go Bruins!
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Earl Boebert Mar 15, 2014 5:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6495734)
Anybody recognize the car? Looks like an American Austin, but I don't think they made a four door.

Cheers,

Earl

GaylordWilshire Mar 15, 2014 5:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6495735)

About - 1925 - Beverly Boulevard in BH. (It will be our secret!:shhh:)


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4...2520PM.bmp.jpg
Of course this would be much older than 1925, and probably father west...


As the route of Beverly Boulevard developed from downtown via Temple and First, there was already a Beverly Boulevard in Beverly Hills... that road's extension westward from BH became Sunset Boulevard in 1934... not sure when the Beverly within BH--not today's four blocks if it within the city limits but another road to the north--became Sunset, tying in with L.A.'s Sunset coming from the east and completing that road all the way to the ocean.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAT June 23, 1934

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAT June 19, 1932

Just a couple of the many confusing newspaper pieces to the puzzle of the various Beverly Boulevards.... I'm sure someone has the history all worked out somewhere...?

BifRayRock Mar 15, 2014 5:31 PM





1934 - A familiar stretch of Wilshire.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../43496/rec/308


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Always wanted to bring my steady girl to the Ambassador's Fountain Cafe. Will she be impressed? Just wish I had a car to park for free.

Note ultra-modern 3-light traffic signal.
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She's taking the bus to meet me.
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Unaware but not surprised that the Ambassador had a Movie Theater.
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An argument for more light rail? An elevated monorail might be nice. Not to worry, my fortune teller says: "In another 20 years Wilshire will have moving sidewalks and everyone will have their own gyrocopter."
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BifRayRock Mar 15, 2014 5:41 PM




Tee off is when?



1918 - LA Country Club - http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/3614/rec/269
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In 40 years, Merv's Hotel, J.W. Robinsons and Murph's 76 Station. Include a few homes large enough to house Hughes' H-r Hercules and some may call it Nirvana.


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9876 Wilshire Boulevard
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Richard Slattery, aka Murph. :cool:
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BifRayRock Mar 15, 2014 5:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6495797)
Of course this would be much older than 1925, and probably father west...


As the route of Beverly Boulevard developed from downtown via Temple and First, there was already a Beverly Boulevard in Beverly Hills... that road's extension westward from BH became Sunset Boulevard in 1934... not sure when the Beverly within BH--not today's four blocks if it within the city limits but another road to the north--became Sunset, tying in with L.A.'s Sunset coming from the east and completing that road all the way to the ocean.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAT June 23, 1934

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAT June 19, 1932

Just a couple of the many confusing newspaper pieces to the puzzle of the various Beverly Boulevards.... I'm sure someone has the history all worked out somewhere...?






Thanks. My directions keep getting the tourists lost. Some day I am going to invest in a new Thomas Guide!

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1927
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Could have sworn this was previously posted.

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Circa 1925 - Sunset Blvd construction (Which way is Indio?)
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BifRayRock Mar 15, 2014 6:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6444047)
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_...2520PM.bmp.jpgGSV


That Vogue "shadowbox" billboard was at the southwest corner of Wilshire and Stanley....






There may have been even more Vogue -living displays other than Wilshire and La Brea. Source lists "Geographic Subject(Roadway)" as 3634 Beverly Boulevard. http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...d/45237/rec/49 A location discussed many times on NLA. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=7810




A Hudson most of us would be proud to own.

1935
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Lwize Mar 15, 2014 7:17 PM
Looking at Google Maps, it appears the Beverly - Sunset connection was made via what is now San Vicente (By the Beverly Center).

Interesting.

Chuckaluck Mar 15, 2014 7:54 PM

Per this article ( http://larchmontchronicle.com/origin...or-horses-hay/ ) The station had volunteer "firewomen." I recall reading about the available water supplies on NLA, but maybe not.

From the same article:
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For a water supply, they used the natural springs in the area such as the one still located at Beverly Blvd. and Oxford Ave. Officially known as the Manhattan Place Volunteer Fire Brigade of the LAFD, Capt. J.A. Caldwell and the matrons renamed their company “The Society Fire Department.”

. . . . . . . . . . .

The area covered by Fire Station 29 includes Wilshire Center, Koreatown, Hancock Park, Windsor Square and Fremont Place.
For GW: Would this fire station have covered Hancock Park, Windsor Square and Fremont Place - when the areas were still being developed, i.e., in the '20s or earlier?

One assumes the article's reference to natural springs at Beverly and Oxford refers to the Beverly Hot Springs. One also assumes that that it is remotely related to a sometimes subterranean "alluvial fan" also known as the Sacatela Slough. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=7929

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Although the answer may appear in this thread, did areas such as Windsor Square and Fremont Place have their own independent water sources, e.g., a communal spring or well, or did each homeowner have his/her own well? Do any areas in LA proper still obtain their water needs from there own private wells rather than the DWP?






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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7...ULLLABELSd.jpgUSCDL

My labels on an aerial that must date from between 1916, when the Marlborough School moved to 3rd Street from 23rd, near St. James Park, and 1920, when the third part of Windsor Square opened (above 3rd St and between Larchmont and Irving, north, more or less, to Beverly Blvd. (Btw, at this point Beverly was still called Temple on insurance maps.)

The north-south line of trees between Plymouth and Lucerne marks the boundary of the first two sections of Windsor Square... somewhere in the noirish past I posted some pics showing how the surfaces of some east-west streets change abruptly at that boundary--concrete in Windsor Square, asphalt in the Windsor Hills addition....

Since I went a little overboard with the labels, here's the original shot...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5...2520AM.bmp.jpgUSCDL
(USC has identified this shot as including a view of West Adams. It doesn't.)

SC's slower format now permits us to revisit earlier posts for easily missed details. Looking for sloughs and creeks in all the wrong places. And thank you GW, for the street identifications, exploring is so much more interesting with the overlay.


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Sixth Street and Van Ness.
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Hilly terrain south of Fremont Place.
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Flyingwedge Mar 15, 2014 8:03 PM
Is this the LACC near Pico and Western? What streets are we looking at? Could you please provide the link to this photo?

GaylordWilshire Mar 15, 2014 8:13 PM
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The LACC opened at its current location in 1911--this is looking east on Wilshire toward Beverly Hills. So much for the "country." After moving from what's now the "Country Club District" because of development, members are throwing money up (so to speak) to hold their turf against ever-urbanizing and ever-higher-rising L.A....

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2014/0...tory_fence.php

BifRayRock Mar 15, 2014 8:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6495925)
Is this the LACC near Pico and Western? What streets are we looking at? Could you please provide the link to this photo?


Reinserted :previous:
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Blaster Mar 15, 2014 8:52 PM
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Yup, that must be it. Thanks!
You can see the Gilmore Adobe when you dine on the patio at Maggiano's, an Italian restaurant located in the Grove.

Flyingwedge Mar 15, 2014 9:21 PM
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Can't find the post at the moment, but there was a question as to what the track was that was behind the stadium, and at the site of where Gilmore Field was... the structure was a dog track that was built in 1933(?) but never came to operation, due to trouble getting permits. In 1934, when the Farmer's Market was proposed, lumber was taken from the track to built the market stalls, then buildings.
Thanks for the poop on the dog track, Gilmore!

HossC posted this aerial showing the dog track almost centered between Beverly Blvd. on the north and 3rd Street on the south and just east of Gilmore Stadium, which runs
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I poked around and found these relevant LA Times articles:

Sept 7, 1932; regarding the turtle reference, your guess is as good as mine:
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June 9, 1933; I'm going on the assumption this is the same track referred to in the previous article:
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"Option betting" was explained in an article three days later:
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Aug 11, 1933:
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Nov 17, 1933:
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There was also a dog racing track in Culver City, on Washington Blvd just east of Lincoln, that was later used for midget auto racing:

http://looking-for-mabel.webs.com/whippetrace.htm
http://culvercityhistoricalsociety.org/?p=977
http://autoracingmemories.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7

P.S. Thanks GW for the LACC info.

Chuckaluck Mar 15, 2014 9:41 PM
Two Bijous in LA? :shrug:

1918 - Bijou Theater @ 4006 East 1st Street.

1970's - 7059 Hollywood Blvd.? (Formerly the Hollywood Congressional Church and SAG Headquarters?)


Bijou Theater (Address is above Jean Harlow)

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1986 - Some Former SAG Presidents at 7065 Hollywood Blvd.
Front row, left to right: Ed Asner, William Schallert, Dennis Weaver. Back row: Leon Ames, Dana Andrews, Charlton Heston.
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/vp19/...5_original.jpghttp://ic.pics.livejournal.com/vp19/...5_original.jpg Other notable former Presidents included names like Cagney, Montgomery, Murphy and Reagan.

HossC Mar 15, 2014 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6495797)

As the route of Beverly Boulevard developed from downtown via Temple and First, there was already a Beverly Boulevard in Beverly Hills... that road's extension westward from BH became Sunset Boulevard in 1934... not sure when the Beverly within BH--not today's four blocks if it within the city limits but another road to the north--became Sunset, tying in with L.A.'s Sunset coming from the east and completing that road all the way to the ocean.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAT June 23, 1934
I've highlighted Beverly Boulevard west of Beverly Hills as it appeared on this 1928 map. As GW's LA Times article suggests, it is now Sunset Boulevard. In 1928, the start of Sunset is marked near the right of the map below.

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