Nice find!

Yeah, I think the cover rendering is correct location-wise. Looks like they took some liberties with the location of the rendering on page 19 of the presentation.

Next - what's the latest on this piece of land where they recently demo'd that old victorian hotel (the name of it escapes me)? Are we going to get the "sliver" soon too? :haha:

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4504...8192?entry=ttu

Ah, you're right! I wasn't paying attention to the light rail. It is a mirrored image. Good catch :tup:

I always tend to forget about this piece of land. I haven't read/heard of anything. It looks like the land is still owned by CSM development group that is based out of MN.

2nd and Portland
 

Here's a rendering for 2nd Street and Portland (adjacent lot south of en Hance). Proposed tower is 250' tower (with additional 20' for penthouse and screening). Should make a sizeable dent in the skyline in this location and closing the gap even more. So awesome to have this kind of proposed height so close to Hance Park.

Floors: 24
Total units: 318
Architect: Valerio Dewalt Train

https://i.imgur.com/IIgXyrg.png

View all docs on my Google Drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...So?usp=sharing

Awesome. Glad that area is getting some development. Slowly but surely many of those lots are filling in.

Made a basic development map of most of the major projects downtown. Obviously it needs some fine-tuning but gives an overall sense of what's going on.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?m...CI&usp=sharing

I couldn't find any info on Link Phase 3. Any other projects downtown to add? I'd like to add in all the Tempe stuff and dive into more of the mid-rise/uptown projects when I have some more downtime if people think its useful.

New Windsor is an SRO that houses numerous sex offenders and probably has decades of deferred maintenance. Even if that weren't the case it's too small to be workable as a boutique hotel.

509 W Monroe has all the zoning they need anyways so there's nothing to protest even if they cared for some resason.

An event space was the plan, not sure where it is.

The area is already getting investment btween this, the Toll Brothers project on Van Buren, and other rehabs. Most developers see past the downsides in the immediate area, namely because they're targeting the downtown submarket, the entitlements are easy., and there are only so many lots available for development anyways.

Nice. Looks like a corten like steel facade. Really would like to see more bold desert colors and materials like that.

That was my initial thought as well. I love corten steel, but don't recollect if it's been used on a building of this height. It would look great if so :)

There are a few out there but most are mid rise buildings. Valerio Dewalt Train is a top notch firm that does great work. This will be a high quality building.

Yeah, I don't think that'll change anytime soon. I'm just surprised a developer picked up the plot given its neighbor! But then again I myself live just a few blocks over and regularly walk/bike down there so clearly some people think it's a non-issue :D

I agree, the area's got an uphill battle especially with the government buildings surrounding it. Speaking of which, anyone know what'll happen to the old Phoenix PD HQ at 7th ave & Washington when they move in to the old Wells Fargo building? That's pretty prime real estate.

City's plans for the old HQ had been shared when the purchase of the old WF building went down but I can't find the thread. It was either demo and RFP the parcel OR sell to a developer. The current building is too run down to be rehabbed and something like 20-24% of it had been been rendered "unusable" due to water leaks.

I guess this could be another potential tower at some point in the future, along with 509 W Monroe proposal.

It appears the CoP Econ Dev subcommittee will be discussing the South Hall convention center and the potential Entertainment district downtown again this coming Tuesday at 9am.

https://www.phoenix.gov/cityclerksit.../230613003.pdf

Great news! RFP for the identification and establishment of Entertainment District is a step in the right direction. Curious to see what they propose along w/ the expansion of the South Hall CC.

Plus you also missed the most important part on the next page. This is Astra :)

I hope Tempe sues to try and stop this from happening!

If only Tempe had an airport

I guess the question begs...who's going to break first? Phoenix or the Coyotes? I think it would be dumb for either to not let bygone be bygones and bring the 'Yotes downtown. Could you imagine if the Coyotes still put up 2.1 billion for an entertainment center in downtown PHX?

That would be amazing but a downside is another 16K-18K seat arena downtown doesn't really make much sense does it? For hockey, sure, but competing for all other events with FootPrint Center?

Another arena does not seem like it's in the scope or timeline of the current entertainment district consultant RFP.

The target demo for the 'Yotes high-end fan does not hang out downtown. So in addition to hating the CoP, they don't have much reason to be downtown.

If I were them, I'd beg City of Scottsdale to take me. Give the City the ownership rights to keep it off the tax rolls and don't call it a GPLET (since its just city owned, like the Suns arena). Then you can get your gaming rights and avoid tribal negotiations.

The block between 2nd and 4th street just west of Drinkwater would be a great location. There's mostly just parking garages there now. It's across from the Giants spring training stadium. The City has a lot to gain from a big concert venue in downtown!

One crazy idea I had was to go to Scottsdale Unified and ask to build it on one of their several low enrollment schools and agree to let them use it for a certain number of functions. Let the school hold the land as a long-term lease for tax purposes and also for future use. Pima traditional would be a decent location for them even though Osborn doesn't have a 101 freeway exit.

I didn't realize there was such a big demographic target difference between suns and coyotes fans. I do think all the changes downtown are bringing in a higher end crowd but it doesn't touch the elite Scottsdale crowd for sure.

I think the problem with a location near the Giants park is infrastructure, it's quite a distance from the highway, we know damn well Scottsdale will not support LRT, it sounds like a PITA to get in and out of.

Land near Talking Stick Resort seems like a good fit, minus the tribal negotiation issues that be impossible to overcome.

The longer it goes with no news the more I'm concerned they're gone.

LRT? You think 'Yotes fans are taking light rail to the game? Again you're missing the demo here. The Coyotes want a SMALL arena to hold high-end fans. And yes being in downtown Scottsdale would add to traffic considerations for sure, the Giants and their fans certainly don't mind.

Old town does remarkably well with traffic for events and there would be an opportunity for a large new garage that could serve more than just the arena.

The limitations with tribal land have been well noted. Maybe they still find a way. Another option is state land up near the Scottsdale Quarter. That would make more sense than Fiesta mall but it's not as ideal as south Scottsdale.

With a rail-accessible location, some Coyotes fans would indeed take light rail, just as Suns, Diamondbacks, and Rising fans do now. That said, transportation issues are the least of the obstacles to a Scottsdale location. Sheer NIMBYism would sink any arrangement in Scottsdale proper. If they couldn't make it work at Loc Arcos / SkySong in southern Scottsdale, it will never be approved in Old Town.

I don't see Scottsdale happening and I also don't think a 16,000 seat stadium (what was proposed in Tempe) is all that small, it's only 2,000 or so off from the Foot Print Center.

The owner, Hispanic himself, has made it clear that he intends to focus on growing with the Hispanic demographic, if there is any success in this plan I see a more central location as ideal versus something in North Scottsdale.

But I'm not sure any options truly exist downtown either. It may be the Fiesta Mall site or bust at this point.

https://youtu.be/xlnIdkiWajU

They bring up some county island locations, and to me the Oceanside ice arena is kind of an interesting area if you could get them to do something interesting with the wash leading to Tempe Town Lake. Probably some infrastructure questions with that site as well.

You may be right about all that.

I was just saying that the Coyotes arena will be similar in size to the Giants spring training facility and is not a football or baseball stadium so parking/traffic concerns aren't nearly the same.

Yeah that’s a good point I actually didn’t realize the Scottsdale Stadium was that big. Bummer that the city seems dead set against even a discussion on the topic.

Finally some uptown development,

A long-vacant parcel on Central Avenue could see a major new development over the next decade, including a 22-story high-rise, planned to bring 1,500 apartments and 20,000 square feet of commercial space across four phases.

New proposal focuses height, commercial on Central

Now, the proposal calls for four phases, with a major emphasis on apartments. The site will develop in quadrants, with the first building planned for the northwest corner of the site. The buildings on the western edge will be the shortest, with buildings on that side reaching five or six stories toward the middle of the site, but decreasing in height as they get closer to Second Avenue, where nearby neighborhoods are generally only one-story homes.


The eastern portions of the site are planned to go higher, with the northeastern piece reaching seven stories with ground-floor commercial space fronting Central Avenue. The southeastern piece is planned to grow the tallest, reaching 22 stories, also with commercial along Central.


https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...y/70304340007/

WHere?

Central & Glenrossa, across the street from Steele Indian School Park. I posted the full article on the Low and Mid-Rise Thread yesterday.

Ah sorry I didn’t see your post, I don’t go into the low mid rise thread

South Hall - Phoenix Convention Center
 

Screenshots I grabbed from today's subcommittee presentation. Unfortunately, I got scheduled for a last minute meeting so I had to mute the call but I was grabbing screenshots as they went along. Of course, I wasn't able to hear any of the timing details. I don't really see anything new being shared here, maybe a couple of the proposed renderings. Looks like they were just voting to approve the Master Plan to serve as a roadmap for future expansion. It may be a while for this one to get off the ground and see any real movement.

They also approved moving forward w/ the RFP for the creation of the entertainment district. I wasn't able to tell if this district would be part of the re-imagined South Hall of the PCC.

https://i.imgur.com/w81TflGh.png

https://i.imgur.com/c7X6ePZh.png

https://i.imgur.com/Pc2rqwdh.png

https://i.imgur.com/bFu52vth.png

https://i.imgur.com/5BLgYHMh.png

https://i.imgur.com/xm7T6DSh.png

https://i.imgur.com/8symP6Lh.png

https://i.imgur.com/xCYJnvnh.png

https://i.imgur.com/gJMRUPkh.png

Thanks for posting the slides. I too was listening while working so I caught some of it but not all.

I kept waiting for details on how they might pay for the PCC south reno and didn't catch it. Shy of that, this is all very hypothetical.

There were almost no details on the entertainment district, other than they are proceeding to hire a consultant to create a design.

For anyone that was listening what was the discussion about expending the boundaries of the CBD? I see that was on the agenda and am curious what was discuss/proposed.

staff presented several options about expanding in all directions.

It seemed like Council was primarily interested in catching the State Fairgrounds, west to 23rd ave, and south to the Rio RDA on the river. Option B was what they centered on, but it appears they will shift it West a few blocks, so instead of ending at 12th St, it would be 7th St in order to move it 23rd Ave from 19th Ave. This probably caused some consternation among developers and staff, who know there's far more likely to be GPLET usage between 7th and 12th Streets than 19th to 23rd Ave. They talked about going farther north closer to Indian school but noted there's not enough Slum and Blight up there to make the designation.

Thank you!

The parking lot between footprint center and chase field needs to go. They are talking about a 4th street activation they need to turn that block into something like the Bucks did with their “deer district.”

1-acre redevelopment site in downtown Phoenix sells for $12M
 

Lots of activity lately. Another potential for a high-rise project here.

https://azbigmedia.com/real-estate/1...sells-for-12m/

https://azbigmedia.com/_gatsby/image...75a06f5eb6f417

Masyno had some big plans for the series of lots on the NWC of 4th and Osborn and a nearby medical building but I'm not sure what's going on with all that... progress seems slow.

Not really sure what's up with this transaction but I'd say a tower there is very far down the line.

Im not liking that all of our nice potential retail spots are being flattened.

Here's a few more slides too:

Envisioned pedestrian flow surrounding the development, especially showing the 4th st activation:
https://i.imgur.com/8zd0s26.png

I wasn't able to take a screenshot of the ground floor cutout, but here 2nd floor:
https://i.imgur.com/x05OnUd.png

Level 3, the "bridge" to the North building is 120' wide and is to be considered an exhibition hall as well. Note there's another bridge to the west of the wide hall/bridge and looks like the loading bays will also be connected by a bridge for a total of 3 crossings over Washington (they can't have an underground connection anymore):
https://i.imgur.com/cWqixgV.png

Level 4 and the sky terraces, they want the outdoor component to be a big part of this redevelopment since they expect this to be a big selling point for big conventions over the winter months:
https://i.imgur.com/4IUkLhM.png

Slide 15 showing the 2 towers on the South perimeter are block outs as per max allowed by the FAA height restrictions for the lot and may not be as high.

The residential tower doesn't need to be residential, it could be another hotel.

The entertainment district basically builds on top of this plan so how this connects to it is a TBD.

Here's the map, I added the colored areas for what the council seemed to be going for (the black-dashed rectangle):
https://i.imgur.com/l2EMTkv.png

With the CBD being defined back in 1967 (the area surrounded by the red-dash) and only now getting redrawn... Who knows what the city looks like 50 years from now. This redrawing lets Phoenix CBD have a river/"riverfront" to play with. What the river would look like then, no idea! :shrug:

with the way both footprint center's covered outdoor pavilion and chase field's outdoor plaza are situated, and aside from the random proposals we have seen pop up for the site now and then, i have always had the belief that the parking garage between them was not supposed to be a permanent feature of the area. They are begging to be better connected, and the light rail platform between them needs more room anyways. :tup:

I used to be able to fairly easily name all the projects downtown, now I can barely keep up with new announcements/plan updates coming almost daily. Tempe is on fire too and even Scottsdale has a few cranes up it's sleeves.

It's crazy how the infill has taken off in recent years, having been here for 21 years now there's never been a better time to be a urban/high-rise enthusiast in the valley. Looking forward to seeing many of these new proposals get off the ground soon, especially Astra of course.

Phoenix takes first step to create downtown entertainment district
 

Unfortunate that Hines is no longer interested. The City has probably irked them after this and the Hyatt Regency Garage RFP.

In hindsight, it probably made sense for the City to slow things down and really figure out its long-term vision for the the CC. But Hines is doing really great things in Tempe.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...t/70319272007/

When you burn developers, you pay down the road. Someday Phoenix may learn some lessons.

I think they are building apartments at the old Big Surf location, too bad they couldn’t get in on it as an option!

The Jefferson Hotel: Downtown Phoenix’s Original Garden Spot
 

The article makes it seems that this development is still alive. Does anyone have any insight into this? With the South Central Light Rail extension right in front, Moxy Hotel right across the street, and downtown development being hot right now, I am shocked that this project/lot hasn't made significant progress yet.

https://dtphx.org/2023/06/22/the-jef...l-garden-spot/

It's my understanding, the owner of the parking lot refuses to sell? :shrug:

They own enough of the lot to develop. As for the rest of the block, they should get the mob/hired goons to rough up a certain notorious holdout. Kinda getting tired of that guy downtown and his parking lot empire.