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BVictor1 Apr 13, 2021 4:33 AM

CHICAGO | Halsted Point | 5 Towers | 691 - 309 FT | 65 - 28 FLOORS
 
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Community Meeting Invitation

From Neighbors of River West and Near North Unity Program
Come and join us for a presentation for the redevelopment of 901 North Halsted (the Greyhound Site).

The Applicant (Onni Group) is proposing a phased project containing up to 2,650 residential units and commercial uses.

Everyone is encouraged to attend!!

Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 6:00 PM

www.zoom.com
Webinar ID: 923 7664 4239
Passcode: 945206

Randomguy34 Apr 13, 2021 6:35 AM

Oh wow, 2650 units on 8 acres is identical to JDL's North Union proposal. We should be expecting some really tall towers

BuildThemTaller Apr 13, 2021 1:43 PM

I remember seeing a few conceptual renderings of this proposal from a few months ago. A quick Google search revealed these from Lamar Johnson Collaborative.

https://theljc.com/wp-content/upload...reyhound-1.jpg

Busy Bee Apr 13, 2021 3:56 PM

Wowsa

OrdoSeclorum Apr 13, 2021 4:17 PM

Makes a ton of sense to build here. With the Tribune site nearby getting developed eventually too, it could look a LOT different in a few years. And no neighbors nearby to complain and views, construction or anything else.

r18tdi Apr 13, 2021 4:31 PM

A Trib article from last year mentioned that Onni was considering a ped bridge between their site and the northern parcel of the River District. I hope that happens.
I'm still bummed that the River District PD dropped plans to rebuild the Erie bridge as a ped connection.

rgarri4 Apr 13, 2021 9:06 PM

I made this animation a year ago for the district. I'm sure designs are getting updated. Exciting for the meeting.

Video Link

ardecila Apr 14, 2021 2:15 AM

This seems like a lot of density for a parcel without great rail access. If the city builds the North Branch transitway, that will be convenient... but until then, the only options are the jam-packed Halsted and Chicago buses.

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Originally Posted by r18tdi (Post 9247190)
A Trib article from last year mentioned that Onni was considering a ped bridge between their site and the northern parcel of the River District. I hope that happens.
I'm still bummed that the River District PD dropped plans to rebuild the Erie bridge as a ped connection.

The bridge mentioned in the Trib would go east across the North Branch Channel. Not sure how that would work, I guess it would probably go across into the 2nd floor of 900 N Kingsbury with stairs down to the riverwalk on that side. The riverwalk is a double-height space so there is room for stairs and an elevator without cutting into tenant space. Maybe a water taxi connection on that side as well.

I don't see much point to a bridge going south to the River District... that would be a long bridge and it's a turning basin at that point so they can't sink piers in the river. Plus it doesn't save much time over the Halsted bridge that already exists.

Randomguy34 Apr 14, 2021 5:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9248083)
This seems like a lot of density for a parcel without great rail access. If the city builds the North Branch transitway, that will be convenient... but until then, the only options are the jam-packed Halsted and Chicago buses.

Assuming a 2:1 ratio of people to units, 5300 people would live here. Across 8 acres, the density would be 424,000 ppsm! To give context, this is denser than the 2nd densest neighborhood in the world. For a 1.5:1 ratio, 318,000 ppsm would still be denser than the 4th densest neighborhood: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lation_density

If you also include the nearby River District proposal, improved transit seems like a necessity rather than an afterthought

marothisu Apr 14, 2021 6:33 AM

These renderings give me some small Long Island City vibes on the river in NYC...our current t neighborhood. Not a bad thing at all in reality. I like that rendering.

r18tdi Apr 14, 2021 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 9248220)
If you also include the nearby River District proposal, improved transit seems like a necessity rather than an afterthought

Meh, who needs real transit when you have a seasonal water taxi?;)

marothisu Apr 14, 2021 2:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 9248220)
If you also include the nearby River District proposal, improved transit seems like a necessity rather than an afterthought

The buildings can institute something too of course. Here in Long Island City, we live on the river and the nearest train stop is about the same distance away as this is to the Chicago Blue Line stop. It's not a bad walk, though on the river here it's extremely windy at times (think of Lake Michigan high winds...) and in the winter that can be brutal. My landlord, which runs 4 or so buildings along the river offers a free shuttle service during morning and evening rush. They are packed and run every 5 minutes. Very helpful when it's cold out or you happen to catch it at the right time while running late and need to get to the train.

We also have a ferry stop right behind our building and a ton of the residents around here use it who work in areas where it drops off (and on weekends to go hang out in those areas). It would be pretty good to see them put water taxi stops up here.

pip Apr 14, 2021 3:18 PM

That was out of the blue for me. Nice! And I wasn't aware Halsted went through part of Goose Island until now.

ardecila Apr 14, 2021 3:56 PM

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Originally Posted by marothisu (Post 9248414)
The buildings can institute something too of course. Here in Long Island City, we live on the river and the nearest train stop is about the same distance away as this is to the Chicago Blue Line stop. It's not a bad walk, though on the river here it's extremely windy at times (think of Lake Michigan high winds...) and in the winter that can be brutal. My landlord, which runs 4 or so buildings along the river offers a free shuttle service during morning and evening rush. They are packed and run every 5 minutes. Very helpful when it's cold out or you happen to catch it at the right time while running late and need to get to the train.

We also have a ferry stop right behind our building and a ton of the residents around here use it who work in areas where it drops off (and on weekends to go hang out in those areas). It would be pretty good to see them put water taxi stops up here.

Yeah I think the water taxi is the reasoning behind the pedestrian bridge - 600 W Chicago has a seasonal stop that is right there, but it's on the "sightseeing" line that doesn't run very often, rather than the "commuter" line that goes from Union/Ogilvie to Michigan Avenue Bridge. These things are a gimmick, though without a lot more service and better infrastructure.

The shuttle bus idea is not bad, 600 W Chicago also runs shuttles so maybe they could team up. I mean, if CTA was actually looking to get ridership they would add these routes but that means another part of the city has to lose service...

ChiPlanner Apr 14, 2021 4:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9248589)
Yeah I think the water taxi is the reasoning behind the pedestrian bridge - 600 W Chicago has a seasonal stop that is right there, but it's on the "sightseeing" line that doesn't run very often, rather than the "commuter" line that goes from Union/Ogilvie to Michigan Avenue Bridge. These things are a gimmick, though without a lot more service and better infrastructure.

The shuttle bus idea is not bad, 600 W Chicago also runs shuttles so maybe they could team up. I mean, if CTA was actually looking to get ridership they would add these routes but that means another part of the city has to lose service...

Real Answer: Permanent Chicago Avenue Bus Lanes- Problems Solved!

BuildThemTaller Apr 14, 2021 5:08 PM

BRT on Halsted

ChiPlanner Apr 14, 2021 5:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BuildThemTaller (Post 9248728)
BRT on Halsted

Preach, unfortunately I don't think the street is wide enough for most of Halsted, but bus lanes are very feasible from North Ave to Roosevelt.

k1052 Apr 14, 2021 7:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiPlanner (Post 9248806)
Preach, unfortunately I don't think the street is wide enough for most of Halsted, but bus lanes are very feasible from North Ave to Roosevelt.

Yea I think I agree with this. Too many choke points.

Bus lanes on Chicago and major bike infra upgrades to Halsted.

ardecila Apr 14, 2021 9:42 PM

Broke: Clinton St subway

Woke: Halsted St subway

Briguy Apr 14, 2021 9:56 PM

A new Subway that branched off at the current red/brown junction and then ran under the goose island transitway ROW, then south on halsted. Would then turn east and be the missing e-w rail link runningunder the loop to Grant Park where it turns south and becomes the metra electric replacement.

This line would literally cover every major development except maybe the 78.

Lincoln yards
Michael reese
Goose island
Tribune site
Mccormick
Soldier field
One central (lol not happening)
Obama library

k1052 Apr 14, 2021 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9249162)
Broke: Clinton St subway

Woke: Halsted St subway

Insert *cantwehaveboth?.gif*

Randomguy34 Apr 14, 2021 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Briguy (Post 9249180)
A new Subway that branched off at the current red/brown junction and then ran under the goose island transitway ROW, then south on halsted. Would then turn east and be the missing e-w rail link runningunder the loop to Grant Park where it turns south and becomes the metra electric replacement.

This line would literally cover every major development except maybe the 78.

Lincoln yards
Michael reese
Goose island
Tribune site
Mccormick
Soldier field
One central (lol not happening)
Obama library

This is literally the Chicago Crossrail proposal. Metra has previously looked into it and found there would be a large enough ridership to justify it. Don't expect it to happen though until CN abandons the St. Charles Airline ROW after phase 4 of CREATE is complete, which won't be anytime soon.

ardecila Apr 15, 2021 2:53 PM

CN isn't abandoning the SCAL after pouring millions into South Loop bridge replacement. I got the sense that whole abandonment was a vague Rahm-era plan to get a High Line between the lakefront and The 78 and juice up South Loop condo values. I don't think CN was ever on board with that plan. Grand Crossing is only for passenger trains, fwiw and that's been quiet for a long time given how it was conditional on NS' plan to tear down half of Englewood.

Anyway, to get back to the Goose Island area topically, the North Branch transitway has also been quiet for a long time. I have to imagine it's tied up in the General Iron controversy - if General Iron leaves, then Sterling Bay will likely buy their old property and remove the last obstacle to the transitway.

Sigh, why does every good transit improvement need to be tied up in some evil plot?

BVictor1 Apr 15, 2021 11:05 PM

Halsted Point

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Randomguy34 Apr 15, 2021 11:13 PM

Crains article with more renderings: https://www.chicagobusiness.com/comm...s-goose-island

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Bonsai Tree Apr 15, 2021 11:56 PM

The skyline is going to look so weird with this and Lincoln Yards. The whole North branch is probably going to be redeveloped eventually, so it'll look like an arm extending from downtown. Almost Toronto-esque, unless Cabrini fills out with some tall towers, but I doubt that'll happen.

Toasty Joe Apr 16, 2021 12:30 AM

Nice renderings, but meh architecture. And looking at how the glass turned out on Omni Grand and Old Town Park, I'm nervous finished quality on these.

This development in general looks very Toronoto-esque (not the best thing imo), but they're a Toronto developer so I guess it can be expected.

Hudson11 Apr 16, 2021 1:03 AM

Onni specializes in "meh" architecture. But I would put these as rendered as well above meh.

VKChaz Apr 16, 2021 1:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Hudson11 (Post 9250729)
Onni specializes in "meh" architecture. But I would put these as rendered as well above meh.

Any idea if Omni's final work tends to stay close to their presentations?

ardecila Apr 16, 2021 1:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Toasty Joe (Post 9250697)
Nice renderings, but meh architecture. And looking at how the glass turned out on Omni Grand and Old Town Park, I'm nervous finished quality on these.

This development in general looks very Toronoto-esque (not the best thing imo), but they're a Toronto developer so I guess it can be expected.

Onni is HQ'd in Vancouver.

Agreed on the glass. The bases are okay but the towers look like Miami condos...

Toasty Joe Apr 16, 2021 2:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9250789)
Onni is HQ'd in Vancouver.

Agreed on the glass. The bases are okay but the towers look like Miami condos...

Ah right, and somehow hits my point even more. Don't need Chicago looking more like Vancouver or Toronto at these core river lots if we truly want to imitate/spread the success of the main branch.

I fear we'll look back on this period of banal glass monoliths & balcony farms as more than a missed opportunity, but maybe just the start of architecture being more about viewing outward from within than about adding to the built environment.

Steely Dan Apr 16, 2021 2:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Toasty Joe (Post 9250837)

I fear we'll look back on this period of banal glass monoliths & balcony farms as more than a missed opportunity,

probably, but still light years better than the "Great River North Beige-a-thon" of the '00s.

BVictor1 Apr 16, 2021 3:00 AM

Halsted Point
 
Halsted Point

-8.1 FAR

-2.7 M sq ft of space

-$1,300,000,000

-$760M in taxes over the next 20 years

-20% on site affordable housing

-4 phases

Phase One - 46 stories (467')

Phase 2A - 30 stories (299')
Phase 2B - 56 stories (584')

Phase Three - 55 stories (584')

Phase Four - 28 stories hotel/office (303')

-1400 parking below grade

-3.8 acres of open space


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Steely Dan Apr 16, 2021 3:16 AM

^ thanks for all of that! :tup:

any chance you could resize those images down? they're pretty damn large.

BuildThemTaller Apr 16, 2021 12:52 PM

Love the curves, the addition of riverwalk to Goose Island, connecting a pedestrian bridge across the river to the east side. I don't even mind the podiums since Halsted is fairly busy. It makes sense there. This would be a big, big improvement and help connect West Town to Goose Island and Cabrini. Onni doesn't do outstanding architecture, but they do above average work. The views the towers would have over 600 W Chicago give this a big selling point, too. This spot is going to have views of downtown forever. I even like the name, Halsted Point. It makes sense and it isn't some weird SoDoLoBro or whatever mashup. Build it!

OrdoSeclorum Apr 16, 2021 2:09 PM

It would be nice if the "interior" plaza space was activated, like Barcelona-style interior block. It looks a bit like that in the renderings, but it could end up just being a driveway.

rgarri4 Apr 16, 2021 3:31 PM

Decent filler. And I do like how its a catalyst to extend the skyline that direction.

jirish Apr 16, 2021 3:55 PM

Overall this is a win. Decent design and will do wonders for the area. Goose Island is an area that has HUGE potential. Everything here should be focused on the river and transportation. So far I'm liking it!

ardecila Apr 16, 2021 5:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bcp (Post 9251324)
AGreed...this is nice and a better site plan than the original

BUT...i'd love to see less cohesion between these towers - the brick low-slung building is nice, how about a couple of these towers and a couple from he original version? (that rhomboid shaped one was nice)

That depends on how long the buildout takes. Old Town Park and Wolf Point were able to be completed in one cycle, but this might take 2 or 3 cycles, like Lakeshore East. That would likely mean fresh designs for each tower or maybe even new architects. It would also give the city more time to build needed infrastructure.

r18tdi Apr 16, 2021 5:27 PM

Agree that more variation in the tower facades would be nice. Otherwise it's another blue blob from afar.

Zapatan Apr 16, 2021 5:33 PM

The designs of those towers are gorgeous, not too simple and ve'd. Just what Chicago needs.

BrinChi Apr 16, 2021 5:39 PM

Depending on the time between phases, I'd bet the design aesthetics will get mashed up as it's built. When has a mega-project ever fulfilled its original renderings through all the phases?

edit: sorry ardecila already pretty much said this above.

Blahshead Apr 17, 2021 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bcp (Post 9251324)
AGreed...this is nice and a better site plan than the original

BUT...i'd love to see less cohesion between these towers - the brick low-slung building is nice, how about a couple of these towers and a couple from he original version? (that rhomboid shaped one was nice)

Yes, but will it really be a brick building or just cardboard with stickers on the outside to make it look like brick?

left of center Apr 17, 2021 1:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9251366)
That depends on how long the buildout takes. Old Town Park and Wolf Point were able to be completed in one cycle, but this might take 2 or 3 cycles, like Lakeshore East. That would likely mean fresh designs for each tower or maybe even new architects. It would also give the city more time to build needed infrastructure.

Exactly this.

I would not worry about the towers looking all alike. The developers themselves said this buildout will take at least 10 years, so the chances that each of the 4 phases has a different design is pretty high. The original LSE renders had all (fairly ugly) towers looking like mirror images of each other, with varying heights. We ended up getting a very diverse collection of towers after 15-20 years.

Mister Uptempo Apr 17, 2021 3:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 9250873)

Damn. I've been looking at this picture for over twenty minutes, and I still can't find Waldo. Anyone?

FlashingLights Apr 18, 2021 4:14 AM

I've worked on Goose Island for the last 10 years and all I can say is any development is positive.

SteelMonkey Apr 20, 2021 11:28 AM

Not sure if this was mentioned previously but appears the Riverside Development just south of Halsted Point is off the table now.

https://news.yahoo.com/developer-giv...204100670.html

Zapatan Apr 20, 2021 4:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelMonkey (Post 9254576)
Not sure if this was mentioned previously but appears the Riverside Development just south of Halsted Point is off the table now.

https://news.yahoo.com/developer-giv...204100670.html

1.2 msf of that was offices and now is not a good time to be building more office space downtown.

Hope that doesn't mean anything for this project.

ardecila Apr 20, 2021 5:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelMonkey (Post 9254576)
Not sure if this was mentioned previously but appears the Riverside Development just south of Halsted Point is off the table now.

https://news.yahoo.com/developer-giv...204100670.html

Keep an eye on the Tribune site, I have a feeling it will end up in one of the casino proposals. There aren't that many big vacant sites, this close to downtown. Traffic is a challenge but I'm sure there are some tweaks the city could make to let traffic flow a lot more smoothly.

LouisVanDerWright Apr 21, 2021 12:29 AM

O'Donnell cited this being included in the 20% ARO pilot area as a reason for cancellation in addition to Covid.

Obvious side effect of saddling developers with cumbersome "do gooder" regulation that flies in the face of market forces: less housing.


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